More Gunbroker fees... taxes

[WestKentucky]

I just became aware of this due to a contender barrel I decided to bid on. Seems simple, but it’s something to consider. If my state jumps onto the bandwagon it’s a 9.75% bump in price after the electronic gavel falls. I don’t like how quiet this change has been.

https://support.gunbroker.com/hc/en...-Marketplace-Facilitator-Sales-Tax-Collection

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

I just became aware of this due to a contender barrel I decided to bid on. Seems simple, but it’s something to consider. If my state jumps onto the bandwagon it’s a 9.75% bump in price after the electronic gavel falls. I don’t like how quiet this change has been.

https://support.gunbroker.com/hc/en...-Marketplace-Facilitator-Sales-Tax-Collection

It'll be interesting to watch the electronic market place and most particularly *auction* formats over the next few years.

With auction-holders hammering the buyer and seller to degrees that I've never seen before, *free-shipping* slipping away by the week, ridiculous *handling* fees and now the hog-pile of internet tax assessment (whether actually passed on to Government or not) the days of assumed screaming deals seem to be behind us.

Covidiocy not withstanding.

Todd.

 

[WestKentucky]

Next thing we will see is users buying with addresses in neighboring states or shipping to sister sue just over the border to avoid taxes. If only the government was more consistent and intelligent.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Yes, it kicked in on the 1st of this year. We're getting eaten alive by bites on many fronts. Sold some things on ebay last year, hadn't been paying attention to shipping cost but it has about doubled from the last time I have looked (yes, been a while).

The sales tax one bothers me as my current state (md) got a LOT of "found" money through this new tax but I have never heard nor seen any accountability on it. Just more money for them to blow I guess.

Does make the no sales tax states look a bit better now also if looking to move.

 

[George P]

I just became aware of this due to a contender barrel I decided to bid on. Seems simple, but it’s something to consider. If my state jumps onto the bandwagon it’s a 9.75% bump in price after the electronic gavel falls. I don’t like how quiet this change has been.

https://support.gunbroker.com/hc/en...-Marketplace-Facilitator-Sales-Tax-Collection

Most auction sites not only collect sales tax, they also collect 15-20% from BOTH sides of the deal.

 

[JDeere]

It has done what they set out to do. I always bought online to avoid the tax but those days are gone. By the time I pay tax and shipping I'll just go buy local...Got some good deals on firearms that way. Now that tax is included plus shipping, cc fees and transfer fees I bought my last three from the local and actually saved money...

 

[WestKentucky]

It has done what they set out to do. I always bought online to avoid the tax but those days are gone. By the time I pay tax and shipping I'll just go buy local...Got some good deals on firearms that way. Now that tax is included plus shipping, cc fees and transfer fees I bought my last three from the local and actually saved money...

I wish I could buy local. Not a realistic option for me. I have 1 great guy who never has stock, 3 or 4 price gougers, and 1 jack leg who cares more about playing with the dog who craps in the floor than he cares about selling his overpriced revolver and then has the nerve to call me names... by the time I left he and the dog knew what to stick where. It’s either the guy with no stock or Academy for me, and I gladly support academy but I don’t consider that local

 

[BEEMAX]

Look buy local and use your contracts to find deals. Beyond getting better deals
you will also keep big tech out of your buying business and enjoy more privacy.
With proposals to register and license etc. who needs the "public" auctions?

 

[Captcurt]

I think that I am about done. Between sales tax on internet sales, higher listing fees, and shipping prices going out of sight I think that it is time for this old man to see if the Nitro still floats. My shipping has doubled since I started. The other night I printed a label and the estimated cost was $27. When I looked at my CC bill it was $43. Fedex and I are about to have a little talk. UPS was higher than Fedex the last time that I used them.

 

[Rexster]

The SCOTUS decision that set all of this in motion was not quiet, but implementation seems to be occurring in gradual stages, so not everyone has noticed. The Evil Bay had to implement this earlier than some other entities, at least one year ago, perhaps because its HQ is in CA, which, IIRC, was one of the states leading the charge in forcing all US on-line sellers to collect sales/use taxes.

I remember avoiding this pinch when buying photo equipment from Adorama or B&H, both HQ’ed in NY, by ordering before midnight EST on December 31st, a year or two ago. I had known, before collection started happening, of the case that led to the implementation of 50-state tax collection for e-commerce.

 

[George P]

I think that I am about done. Between sales tax on internet sales, higher listing fees, and shipping prices going out of sight I think that it is time for this old man to see if the Nitro still floats. My shipping has doubled since I started. The other night I printed a label and the estimated cost was $27. When I looked at my CC bill it was $43. Fedex and I are about to have a little talk. UPS was higher than Fedex the last time that I used them.

You need to take into account not only the weight but the package size

 

[JDeere]

I wish I could buy local. Not a realistic option for me. I have 1 great guy who never has stock, 3 or 4 price gougers, and 1 jack leg who cares more about playing with the dog who craps in the floor than he cares about selling his overpriced revolver and then has the nerve to call me names... by the time I left he and the dog knew what to stick where. It’s either the guy with no stock or Academy for me, and I gladly support academy but I don’t consider that local

Well that's not good for you. I only have 2 local shops and Academy but the local guys are usually less than Academy not to mention if they can get it they will order it and for a fair price. I hardly even look online anymore and if I do it's just to compare prices.

 

[NuShootr]

...now the hog-pile of internet tax assessment (whether actually passed on to Government or not) the days of assumed screaming deals seem to be behind us.

My absolute biggest issue with how internet sales are being taxed now is the immense amount of double dipping this is causing. If you sell something you bought on the internet now, not only were you taxed when you bought it, but the buyer is now being taxed on something again. The government already got their tax money when it was purchased new, and they are now getting tax dollars on "used" products. It's obscene.

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

If you sell on Gunbroker they will take applicable tax fees from you as the seller. You in turn can elect to tack it on the customer.

 

[George P]

My absolute biggest issue with how internet sales are being taxed now is the immense amount of double dipping this is causing. If you sell something you bought on the internet now, not only were you taxed when you bought it, but the buyer is now being taxed on something again. The government already got their tax money when it was purchased new, and they are now getting tax dollars on "used" products. It's obscene.

And how is that any different than regular retail?

 

[NuShootr]

And how is that any different than regular retail?

In the retail industry, the product you are buying is brand new. Never used. And once sold the Government has already collected the necessary tax on it. So why should they get that money twice?

 

[mjsdwash]

And how is that any different than regular retail?

here if you have a business license and sign a form with most any retailer, you do not pay taxes on retail goods.
The form is a statement that your buying for retail, and will collect taxes at that transaction. Out of state buyers can also do this, although fewer places will. Canadians frequently refuse taxes and show ID, and usually don't pay. A Montana state ID worked too.
Most of the corner stores buy wholesale from Costco, and resell because its cheaper than their distributors. Especially Cigarettes, which have a $3.50/pack tax.

 

[reddog81]

Where are you located? They list Kentucky but not Tennessee.

Either way the states are forcing this upon retailers and its not really at their discretion.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I just figure it costs me an extra $100 to buy or sell a gun. It's been that way in this state for awhile.

If Joe buys a firearm in this state he pays 9% tax. If Joe lets a dealer have it on consignment or just sells it to a dealer, and Frank buys the firearm, Frank pays another 9% on the same firearm. No matter how many times it's sold, there's a 9% tax on it. The only way that is avoided is FTF buyer and seller in the same room when the FFL transfers it.

 

[Speedo66]

My absolute biggest issue with how internet sales are being taxed now is the immense amount of double dipping this is causing. If you sell something you bought on the internet now, not only were you taxed when you bought it, but the buyer is now being taxed on something again. The government already got their tax money when it was purchased new, and they are now getting tax dollars on "used" products. It's obscene.

That's been going on with auto sales in states with sales tax forever.

Only thing new is with buying online, they can now document sales of other items.

 

[Hokkmike]

It'll be interesting to watch the electronic market place and most particularly *auction* formats over the next few years.

With auction-holders hammering the buyer and seller to degrees that I've never seen before, *free-shipping* slipping away by the week, ridiculous *handling* fees and now the hog-pile of internet tax assessment (whether actually passed on to Government or not) the days of assumed screaming deals seem to be behind us.

Covidiocy not withstanding.

Todd.

There never has been "free shipping". It has simply been added to the cost of the product. Maybe the state tax requirement will help balance on-line vs. brick and mortar sales. In the end, it could end up not being a bad thing.

 

[buck460XVR]

And how is that any different than regular retail?

In the retail industry, the product you are buying is brand new. Never used. And once sold the Government has already collected the necessary tax on it. So why should they get that money twice?

Sales tax is just that...a tax on sales. I pay a sales tax on a used car in my state unless it's bought from a direct family member, don't you? In my state, you were suppose to man up and voluntarily pay any sales tax that wasn't collected during an online sales transaction, otherwise by law, you could be prosecuted. No body manned up. Sales tax on a product like a gun with a big price tag can be substantial and was one reason online sales are so popular. The online seller does not have to beat the LGS price, just not collect sales tax and the buyer can save big bucks.Even the sales tax on billions of small ticket items adds up. With online sellers now doing the majority of business in many things, states are loosing a ton of revenue. How long did anyone, realistically, think this would go on until they did something?

 

[tarosean]

My absolute biggest issue with how internet sales are being taxed now is the immense amount of double dipping this is causing.

Now see, if everyone paid their "Use Tax" like good little boys and girls we would have never came to this. We are what caused it.

 

[tarosean]

Sales tax is just that...a tax on sales. I pay a sales tax on a used car in my state unless it's bought from a direct family member, don't you?

Texans screwed that one up too... Gone are the days of I paid 200.00 for that 2020 Porsche. Standard Presumptive Value now stands in place and they don't care what you actually paid. Sure you can get certified appraisal and jump through a few hoops that will likely cost more than the actual Tax Bill. It is what it is.

 

[BigBore44]

Now see, if everyone paid their "Use Tax" like good little boys and girls we would have never came to this. We are what caused it.

I think it would have happened regardless.