More Stolen Guns - Texas

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General Zod

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I hope this is all right, I posted this yesterday in the stickied "Stolen Guns" thread and have had...no views at all. If I'm violating a policy, let me know and I'll delete. This is a straight copy and paste from my other post.

Sadly, there is another list of stolen guns to look out for in the Austin/San Antonio, TX area. My father's home was burglarized this past Sunday. To make things worse, we have no serial numbers - there is a list, but it can't be found.

Here's what was lost, from memory, including identifying marks.

Remington sporter 12 ga. pump-action shotgun with dark wood stock/grip. No real identifying marks.

Winchester model 1892 .30-30 with a modern hunting scope on an aftermarket custom mount. I can't remember the model or manufacturer of scope. Bushnell or Tasco probably. Custom scope mount is attached with screws to the left side of the receiver.

Mossberg .410 pump-action shotgun with wood stocks/grip. No real identifying marks on this one.

Winchester model 74 .22 cal semi-auto rifle with dark red walnut stock- some slight custom shaping has been done on the stock.

M-1 Carbine, .30 cal, WWII vintage with "GENERAL MOTORS" manufacturer's stamp on the barrel, with 10 round and 30 round magazines.

"Snake Charmer" .410 single shot pistol-grip shotgun with a broken trigger guard. This is the original Snake Charmer, not the current re-issued model. Natural metal finish with black plastic pistol grip/short stock.

Antique (100+ year old) Mossberg 12 ga. single shot shotgun - well kept, but obviously ancient. Has not been fired in at least 40 years.

PISTOLS - - - - -

Llama model III-A.380 ACP semi-auto pistol with holster and spare magazine. Small spot of rust on the right side of the trigger - haven't had the opportunity to have that sanded and refinished. Missed a fingerprint once while I was cleaning it for him.

Colt .38 Special, 3" barrel with holster. Third generation Detective Special, short barrel, shrouded ejector pin, wood grips with Colt badges. Front post sight has a spot of white liquid paper on it for visibility.

Charter Arms Explorer II .22 Automatic pistol with scope and two magazines. Blued, not stainless. Rear sight on pistol is damaged.

Two matched Tanfoglio .25 ACP automatic pocket pistols with spare magazines, one with a storage case.

Hi Standard Sentinel R-101 9-round .22LR revolver w/3" barrel. Made in 1958. Also has a spot of liquid paper on the front sight.

Replica Colt Navy model 1849 cap-and-ball revolver with unfinished wood grips. Kit gun.

Replica percussion cap musket with light honey-colored wood stock and a pair of matching percussion cap dueling pistols with honey-colored wood grips. Early 19th century style.

I'm hoping if one of these is spotted in a pawn shop (it'll be a couple of weeks before any that are pawned might be made available in the shops) there will be one or two others with it to make a positive ID more likely. At least that's the hope...

Also missing are a Framus classical guitar from the early '50s and a Harmony H-62 archtop electric hollow body guitar with "starburst" finish from the late '50s, for what it's worth.

Yes, they stole his guns and they stole his guitars. There's a country song in there...but we'd rather just have dad's property back.
 
sorry for your loss really hope you find the serial numbers but personally i wouldn't create a thread like this without serial numbers you may just end up letting whoever has them know they still have clean numbers and are not reported stolen
 
Oh, they're reported stolen. The police have good leads on the theif...but recovery of the guns will be a problem if he's already pawned them. That's the goal of this thread - if anyone sees them in a pawn shop in the area.
 
Ditto on the need for serial numbers,

Without that little bit of info its like you're putting out an APB on a Ford....with no license plate info.
 
Just a hint about keeping the serial #'s accessible. Write them into an email and send it to yourself. That way, you will always have access to the s/n's, even if you are out of town or otherwise don't have physical access to them or your documents.
 
Sorry for your loss but there is a lesson to be learned; Always keep serial numbers and pictures in multiple locations. I have my list on computer, on disk and on hard copy.
 
OK, guys, the serial numbers were written down, as mentioned in the first post. We know EXACTLY how helpful it would be if we had the list. I'm not looking for advice here, I'm looking for people in the Austin/San Marcos/San Antonio area who are willling to keep their eyes open.

If you browse used guns at a dealer or browse a pawn shop looking for a deal and happen to see a vintage M-1 carbine on the wall and a Llama .380 in the display case, or a pair of identical .25 's and a Charter Arms Explorer at the same time and place in Central Texas, let me know where so maybe, just maybe, I can reunite my elderly disabled veteran father with some of his prized possessions.

These guns will go on sale in the pawn shops any time after eighteen days from now. All I ask is that folks in the area read the list and keep your eyes open for similar firearms showing up where you buy. I dont need a sermon, my entire family is well aware of "should have" and how unlikely recovery is. We have reason to be confident the thief will be caught quickly, but I want my father's belongings back in his hands if it's at all possible.

Is anyone here willing to pay attention to what they browse and let me knw if they think they might have a lead I can run down? Or is every reply going to re-iterate the same admonishment?

ANY scrap of help will be appreciated.
 
I can understand why you don't want to post the serial numbers.
I heard that sometimes people take serial numbers from guns they see online and report those guns stolen. What a hassle that would be.

lol.

I'll keep an eye out for the M1 carbine, but good luck with the other ones.
 
Go over to Texas gun talk. And get in touch with a member named pawn cop
That is what he does. I will keep a eye out
 
Oh, they're reported stolen. The police have good leads on the theif...but recovery of the guns will be a problem if he's already pawned them.

NO. If they get to a pawn shop, then they are as good as recovered. All pawned and purchased items' data end up being checked by the police and particular items of interest are inspected onsite. These days, most pawnshops have their pawn and purchase information uploaded to the police in some manner (or the police come by and download the data). All makes and models information is searched through the databases. The guns will 'pop' immediately. Having the guns end up in a pawn shop is one of the best ways for you to get them back. However, 99.9% of the criminals know this and won't just pawn the guns after stealing them. It will be some poor schmuck who buys them used, maybe in a FTF deal, garage sale, etc.

That's the goal of this thread - if anyone sees them in a pawn shop in the area.

They aren't going to see them in a pawn shop. Even if WE see guns that look like yours, without the serial numbers, the information is pretty useless.

The notion that pawn shops are fencing operations is something of historic mythology now given the laws and checks and balances in place. Your local pawn shop here in Texas is more heavily regulated than your bank in many respects. Not only are they regulated by the Texas Commerce Commision like banks and subject to regular audits as a lending insitution, they have their FFL audits with which to contend and all of the used merchandise (stuff not purchased from an actual new goods vendor) gets checked by the cops.

Texas pawnshops make a lot of money from making legal loans. It is not worth the risk to make illegal loans and lose their pawn license. When you are getting 240% annual interest for any loan up to $195 with any loan for up to one month yielding the full month's interest, you have a gravy train. If you make a $150 loan to a guy who comes back to redeem the item(s) 1 minute later, it will cost him $180 to get it back. If he comes back anytime in the month, $180. The rate drops to a paultry 180% annual interest from $195.01 to $1300. So a $200 loan would be $230 to redeem within the first month. That's good money and it is fully legal because the loans are considered to be high risk loans, hence not usery.

http://www.occc.state.tx.us/pages/int_rates/pRate13.pdf

Why risk dealing in stolen goods when you can make that kind of money legally?
 
Double Naught, if you see guns that look like my father's and give me the location, I can go there and, if they are the right ones, I'll recognize most of them on sight. And you'll notice I didn't just say pawn shops even though that's the sentence out of my three previous posts you chose to quote. But we're not dealing with a criminal mastermind here - he stole random stuff and passed up valuable items once he'd cleaned out the gun cabinet. This guy is ignorant and will get his butt caught, but we do expect him to turn the guns into cash ASAP.

If you're not willing to try to help, that's your choice. My choice is to remain hopeful and make every effort to recover my father's property.

KyleTX, thanks. I'll take your advice.
 
Just a hint about keeping the serial #'s accessible. Write them into an email and send it to yourself. That way, you will always have access to the s/n's, even if you are out of town or otherwise don't have physical access to them or your documents.

Great idea, Thanks!

Zod, I hope your father recovers his property soon.
 
General Zod ...Is anyone here willing to pay attention to what they browse and let me knw if they think they might have a lead I can run down? Or is every reply going to re-iterate the same admonishment?
Zod,
You are making the assumption that these guns will be pawned in your area. That may happen, but its also possible that they will be sold/pawned outside of your area, to a gun store (not a pawn shop), at a gun show, through an online forum like Texas Gun Trader or most likely traded for drugs or sold on the street.

Your list of stolen firearms contains VERY common guns.......you'll find several examples of those at nearly every gun show in Texas.

If I see an M1 Carbine or Llama .380 on display at a pawn shop, gun store or gun show, I'm sure as hell not going to report that gun unless I know what the serial number is.
 
Double Naught, if you see guns that look like my father's and give me the location, I can go there and, if they are the right ones, I'll recognize most of them on sight. And you'll notice I didn't just say pawn shops even though that's the sentence out of my three previous posts you chose to quote.

You mentioned pawn shops in all your posts and were obviously ignorant of their operation.
 
I did not say ONLY pawn shops, and yeah I've never worked at one or pawned anything. The point remains that I am not solely assuming they'll be pawned, but it is a possibility. Forgive me if I'm not willing to simply write the guns off and say "oh well".

Again, if you're not willing to at least keep your eyes open, that's your choice. I have to wonder why you keep replying here in that case unless you just like arguing.

Dogtown Tom, I'm not asking you to report them, I'm asking you to tell me what pawn shop or dealer you saw them in so I can make a trip down and see if I can recognize and maybe recover them. If that means buying them back, I will - but I can't if people who live in this area refuse to even keep an eye out.
 
Best place to sell these would be in a gun show, doing a FTF with someone else, other than a dealer. But not having the SN, I cannot help you. Sorry for your loss, hope you had insurance. Jeff
 
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