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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4335563.html

A Houston police officer discharged a Taser stun gun to subdue Texans offensive lineman Fred Weary Jr. after authorities said he resisted arrest and appeared to threaten her after a routine traffic stop.

The 6-foot-5-inch, 310-pound right guard for the Texans was taken into custody on the misdemeanor charge.

It was unclear Tuesday if head coach Gary Kubiak had spoken with Weary or what disciplinary action, if any, would be taken against the player.

Texans spokesman Tony Wyllie, referred all questions about the incident to police.

"We're in a situation involving Fred Weary and at this time we're getting all the information, gathering all the facts. That's all we can say at this time," Wyllie said. "Honestly, we need to talk to Freddy."

Weary, 29, was southbound on the West Loop near the Southwest Freeway when he was stopped by a two-officer unit at about 1 p.m. Tuesday, police said.

Police, who had stopped Weary after he made an improper lane change, then noticed the front license plate was missing from his Chevrolet Impala SS.

John Cannon, HPD spokesman, said Weary had drawn the officers' attention after acting suspiciously and "looking at (them) on several occasions."

When one officer asked Weary for his driver's license, Cannon said Weary became belligerent and asked why he had been stopped. He said the officer had to ask Weary for his license three times.

Cannon said Weary was "very agitated and was slow to comply," then he "starts reaching for something in the console." The officer who made the stop then asked Weary to step out of the car.

Cannon said Weary remained "verbally combative" and refused to comply when the officer asked him to put his hands on his car.

When one officer tried to place Weary in custody by placing one wrist behind the other, Weary "pushed the officer's hands away," Cannon said.

Cannon said Weary then started moving toward the officer, who pulled her Taser and fired it.

Weary was struck on the right side of his body, Cannon said.

"I just can't see him acting this way," Frank Tate, Weary's friend and trainer, told reporters outside the city jail Tuesday. Weary was released from jail about 9:30 p.m. His bail was set at $1,000. He is scheduled to appear in court next week to answer to the Class A misdemeanor charge, records show.

Weary, a 2002 third-round draft pick from the University of Tennessee, had a less than stellar start in the NFL. The Texans had hoped he would be a fixture on the offensive line, but Weary appeared in just 36 of 64 games, including 19 starts, during his first four years under former coach Dom Capers.

The arrival of Kubiak, who replaced Capers, gave Weary a chance for a fresh start, and the fifth-year veteran made the most of it. Weary has started five games at right guard this season, including each of the past four.

A native of Montgomery, Ala., Weary lives in Houston with his wife, Casey, and their son.
 
I have to agree with Medula Oblongata on this one. The guy was out of his car, there was a huge disparity of power and he was physically resisting. I don't see what else she could have done, other than shoot the moron.

I am NOT a Taser fan, but this looks textbook for how they SHOULD be used.
 
Just give them your stupid license... why argue? It's not that hard. When they make you get out of your car and search you without probable cause, then I guess it's ok to argue, but not over a license.
 
Don't need PC to take someone out of a car. And, as pat down is allowed under Terry if there is RS and for Officer Safety.

Michael
 
Yeah, but the officer will still have to a clear reason (not just a hunch), and be able to articulate it in front of a judge if need be. Just because I am a big guy doesn't mean they can go through my pockets... remember a cop tried to say he had probable cause to search a car and its occupants because they had an "NRA" sticker on the back of it... he got burned for civil rights violations. Oh well, I'm getting off topic but I can't imagine them pulling me out, patting me down and arresting me if I just gave them my license and sat there while they made sure I wasn't wanted and gave me a ticket or whatever.

He probably used the "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM???" line anyways. Why do rich people even care? Like a ticket is going to put a dig dent in their pocketbooks.
 
Agree with the last line for sure.

Seems like a good use of the Taser to me.

Michael
 
By all accounts the guy is a very humble, quiet guy and would be voted most likely to NOT get into any trouble on the team. Just look at what the guy was driving.

I imagine he was upset for being pulled over for no good reason. Sounds to me like a woman with an attitude and an "I'll show you" complex. If it was a clearly justified tasering, I am sure they would release the video from the cop car.

Granted, there are many times that I think the Texans O-Line needed to get their butts whooped, but this is a little ridiculous.
 
His actions warranted tazering.

Here I go again, gonna comment on both sides of the issue.

For whatever reason, the cops pulled him over. There are only a few states that require front license plates and apparently Texas is one of them. Instead of "yes sir, no sir", the driver gets an attitude. The police get him out of the vehicle and he behaves menacingly towards the officers. They tazer and subdue him. Nobody is hurt when it's over and a pro football player can afford the bond. Back in the good ol' days, the cops would have had to string him along until his temper either cooled or boiled. The latter may have ended in a coroners report for someone or several someones.

Now on to the issue that has been raised during this discussion. Yes, I do have to comply with an officer. Yes, he may have mistaken me for someone else or be in the middle of an unclear situation and trying to sort things out. How it's handled after that makes or breaks PR image. When the dust has settled is time for a cop to mend the fences he's had to break during a situation. A ten second "I'm glad we got this sorted out and I hope you can continue on with your day alright" goes a long way. If you can't take the time to deal with the community you work for, find a job that doesn't put you in contact with the public. Your fellow officers will thank you for not making their job harder than it is.
 
It was ridiculous for the guy to refuse to produce ID. A driver's license is required by law for the operation of a motor vehicle on public roads. You effectively agree to produce it on demand upon an accident or traffic stop as a condition of having one. Anyone who gives a cop crap about handing over their license is a moron.
 
Anyone who gives a cop crap about handing over their license is a moron.

or an athlete with entitlement issues
 
I agree that the guy acted like an a-hole, and did not use common sense, but I am sorry, that in NO way warranted Tasering.
 
Why didn't it warrant tasering. The officer, in fear of her life because a 350 pound linebacker is coming at her, instead of drawing down with her service revolver, tasered him. What do you think she SHOULD have done in that situation, turned and ran. Started pleading and begging the guy not to hurt her. Or better yet, charge at the guy with all her might, cause we know he was gonna go down easy.

I know that cops abuse thier power sometimes, but in this situation, NOPE.

Who cares what car he was driving. Who cares what his team mates say about how "nice" he is. No one else was there when it happened.

As for the video, who says that the camera caught any of this. The ABSENCE of evidence is NOT evidence of wrong doing or a conspiracy. Only EVIDENCE can prove things.

Michael
 
I agree that the guy acted like an a-hole, and did not use common sense, but I am sorry, that in NO way warranted Tasering.
Absolutely not. I think cops are quick on the draw with the taser because it's not considered lethal force, and some of them think it's fun, especially if they don't like someone's attitude. Bad attitude should not be a permissible reason for using incapacitating, and potentially deadly, force. If someone steps towards you and you are frightened by it, take a step or too back and give a warning. Not as if the man had a crow bar. Besides, there were two cops there.

PS This is another reason not to have ever permitted lady cops. They should have been kept in the meter maid department. Sorry. I know that's far from PC these days, but it's the truth. A couple of strapping guys would more likely have held off on the tasering. It takes more than a step forward by an unarmed man to put most men in fear of mortal danger.
 
Oh, so now we are assuming, based on the lack of it in the article, that officer STOOD her ground and just tasered him. So, drawing the taser, pointing the Laser sight at him, wasn't warning enough.

It is QUITE possible that she saide, I am gonna taser you, and also took a step or two back. So, according to you, if that was done, then all is good, but if not, then No Good.

I bet the "Average" and "reasonable" person, or even "reasonable officer" wouold have felt threatened enough to use a Taser on the guy.

Seems you have never been confronted with someone that size.

Or do you really think the officer should have ran from him, and if so, WHY?

Michael
 
Seems you have never been confronted with someone that size.
I work at a high school. At that high school is a lineman who is 6'6" and close to three hundred pounds of lean muscle. We also have a resource officer, i.e., a deputy sheriff. This guy is only about 5'8" tall, but he obviously lifts weights. Stocky little guy. I witnessed this lineman get into a fight with another big guy at lunch time. The smaller guy started it, but the lineman was finishing it, big time, whaling away at him, a total mismatch. In two seconds the resource officer charged the huge lineman and had him on the ground, unable to resist. Yes, he carries both a taser gun (the projectile kind) and a Glock. Neither were drawn and he did his job perfectly. That was ONE guy all alone. No back up. What if that resource officer was a lady cop? Think it would have turned out the same way?
 
I am not debating whether the a female officer is a good idea or a bad idea.

And, there is a BIG difference between blind siding a person, even a humongous person, who is busy fighting someone else. TOTALLY different then someone that size coming at YOU, with out the advantage of surprise.

Again, have YOU ever been confronted by someone that size. I guess not. See, arm chair coaching/quarterbacking is just that, and not REALITY. I am glad that you can sit back now, after the fact, and are able to decide what someone else should do when IN A SITUATION when they only have a split second to react.

All I need to know is that her response is reasonable in the situation, and the fact that there MIGHT be other alternatives, doesn't make the course of action taken wrong.

Michael
 
Have you ever noticed that there is a script for these things?

Its amazing how every one of these incidents uses the same phrases to describe the Taseree.

If there was a video, it may shed further light on the incident.
 
ilbob,

I'm the last person who would defend Tasering someone on the ground that they where "a scumbag" or "disrespectful" or 'had it comming." Read my other posts on the subject on other treads. There are a fair number of cops who are completely abusing the things. This was not one of those cases. This guy was acting like an idiot and I am neither shocked or dismayed that he got juiced.
 
Texans rally around Weary after arrest
Guard practices one day after being stunned with Taser during traffic stop

By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

The Texans jumped to guard Fred Weary's defense Wednesday as they began on-field preparations for Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills.

Weary, who was charged with resisting arrest after a police officer stunned him with a Taser gun Tuesday afternoon, occupied his usual spot at right guard during practice.

"I don't know of a player that's been a better role model for the other players on our team than Fred," owner Bob McNair said. "He's a genuinely nice person that's respectful of others."

McNair, general manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak are still gathering information on the case.

"We're in the process of trying to understand exactly what took place," Kubiak said. "We're going to let the legal process take care of itself. There'll be no discipline of Fred at this point."

Weary is an original Texan who was selected in the third round of the 2002 draft. This season, he has played better than at any other time during his career.

"I was shocked when I heard about it," McNair said. "I know Fred. And I know the behavior that was described and attributed to Fred is not the Fred Weary I know. I just find it hard to believe."

Weary issued a statement through the Texans' media relations department that said: "The incident I was involved in was a very unfortunate situation, and I'm sorry that it has caused a distraction to the team and my family.

"I'm seeking legal counsel, and I'm confident that the truth will be revealed as the facts of the case unfold. I just want to put this behind me and focus on playing football and helping our team win Sunday against Buffalo."

After practice, Weary's teammates defended him.

"I've been with Fred since I got here, and I think so much of him that I'll give him the same kind of support I'd give a member of my family," quarterback David Carr said. "When I heard about it, I was kind of shocked. I thought something had to be wrong. Fred's a good guy. He never says anything bad about anybody."

Like Carr, guard Steve McKinney has been Weary's teammate for five seasons.

"Fred's a good guy," McKinney said. "He's a hard-working guy who keeps quiet. He's not an angry guy at all. He's mild-mannered. I've never known him to have a problem.

"When I heard that he was Tasered and taken into custody, I thought, 'No way. Not Fred.' There's just no way that could happen.

"I don't know the situation, but it's hard to imagine him losing control. In this locker room and on the field, Fred's a model player."

Although he was arrested about 1 p.m. Tuesday, Weary didn't get out of jail until late that night.

"The first time I talked to Fred was about 10:30 (p.m.)," Kubiak said. "He's fine. He practiced well today. He's concentrating on his job.

"You definitely don't want distractions, and we'll work through it. We're trying to get ready to play Buffalo, and the team worked well today."

Everyone agreed that Weary's situation wouldn't be a distraction for the team going into the Buffalo game.

"I saw it on the news, and I thought, 'That must be another Fred Weary,' " cornerback Dunta Robinson said. "It's one of those situations where you don't really want to talk about what happened until you get to the bottom of it.

"Every team goes through some kind of adversity. This isn't a distraction for us. Fred's here, and he's going to start."

Weary briefly discussed the incident with a few of his teammates.

"He said he didn't do anything, that he didn't provoke them," Robinson said. "We believe him because he's an honest guy.

"We're around Fred every day, and he's been a great teammate. He's been a good example for us as far as how you want to act. We believe what Fred says, and we're going to stand by him and help him get through this."

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I'm sure the officers had no hand in escalating the situation. So what they followed him long enough to think of PC and wouldn't tell him why he was stopped. :rolleyes:
 
ilbob,

I'm the last person who would defend Tasering someone on the ground that they where "a scumbag" or "disrespectful" or 'had it coming." Read my other posts on the subject on other treads. There are a fair number of cops who are completely abusing the things. This was not one of those cases. This guy was acting like an idiot and I am neither shocked or dismayed that he got juiced.

The story reports the LE side of the story as if it is gospel. I am no longer inclined to accept that side of a story without corroboration.
 
I can honestly say that as a student of the martial arts for some 10 years, a former bouncer in a bar frequented by college athletes of similar stature, being 6' 4" and 235 lbs, I would have tased his Hugh Jass in the above situation myself. You think that a 310lbs lineman is a flippin' 90 lbs. pencil neck? He's an agile, powerful athlete who's entire livelyhood at the peak of professional sports is based entirely on how well he applies his physical attributes in the application of bodily force into other people.
So Gigantor is belligerent, swats your partner aside like a flea and menacingly advances on you. I don't care if your Chuck freakin' Norris or a 220 lbs bodybuilder, your first thought isn't going to be, "So once I jump in and subdue this guy with a perfect Steven Segal judo flip, I'll go grab me a coffee and a donut." It's gonna be, "Holy @&%$! He's coming at me after swatting aside my partner like a flea! What do I do now?!?" and you start exploring options. Seriously folks, let's leave the "Me an' the good ol' boys coulda taken 'im without no new-fangled taser!" out of this discussion. This situation didn't involve some drunk farmboy who lost his manners after a few beers (who are usually easy to subdue without violence).

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
From the account I read, the person in question did not "bat" anyone aside nor make any aggressive moves. "Moving toward" someone is not an excuse for tasering them.
 
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