Moscow Idaho, looking into carry ban

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I read in one of the local papers and heard on the radio this morning;

the Mayor of Moscow Idaho is looking into the possibility to ban open and concealed carry within the town. :cuss:

This does not bode well with me as we frequently go to Moscow Idaho.

Some of you may remember that Moscow Idaho had one of their residents go off the deep end and shoot up the Latah County Courthouse after killing his wife.

If legally possible, going ahead with such a ban would pretty much signal "Open Season" in Moscow Idaho for anyone with malicious intent in mind.
 
I'm not sure, the mayor stated they were looking at doing the ban if it was "legally possible"... :rolleyes:

I guess if she was required to swear to defend the ID State Constitution, and the Constitution of the State says she can't enforce the ban, then I guess she can be FIRED along with the Chief of Police and the County Sheriff if they too support the ban... does that make sense?
 
Idaho has preemption. Cities and municipalities cannot make laws that contradict State law. I'll go find the statutes.

UPDATE:

Here we go

http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newidst?sctid=500030043.K

50-343. REGULATION OF FIREARMS -- CONTROL BY STATE. No city may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession or transportation of firearms when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of the state of Idaho.
 
^ That will work well to your favor. In NC, it is part of our CCW law that local governments cannot prohibit or regulate concealed carry in any way. Hopefully Idaho has something similar to keep you guys covered.
 
Some of you may remember that Moscow Idaho had one of their residents go off the deep end and shoot up the Latah County Courthouse after killing his wife.

I'm assuming murder and public shootings must be legal there, since if you ban something it doesn't happen. Right?
 
The Lewiston Tribune of Lewiston ID had the story on the front page of todays paper. The radio stations I listen to are Border104 (Pullman WA) and 102.5 The Crow (Colfax WA).

Lewiston Tribune is by subscription only online.

I'd also like to know if the Latah County Sheriff and the Chief of Police support a firearms ban, one previous Chief of Police doesn't think people should be armed... He's a Sheriff in Santa Barbara now aparently...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=277212&highlight=Moscow+Idaho
 
I hope every Freeper in Moscow will give the mayor's office a call and let him know that this just cost him re-election. Also let the local paper know.
 
I've been watching FR to see if someone there picks it up. Amazed that this wasn't in Moscow-Pullman newspaper. Really seems like this is buried.
 
LOL... I just did a search on FR...

any way I sent to the following email;

To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

Subject: Moscow exploring ban on firearms carry?

Though I do not agree with a ban on the carrying of firearms, openly or concealed, and you probably do not care if I agree with any of your views, but I'd like to present the following ID State Statute for your consideration.

http://www3.state.id.us/cgi-bin/newidst?sctid=500030043.K

TITLE 50
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS
CHAPTER 3
POWERS
50-343. REGULATION OF FIREARMS -- CONTROL BY STATE. No city may in any
manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession or transportation of firearms
when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of the
state of Idaho.



Thank you for your time.

MD


I've also sent email to the Latah County Sheriffs office before regarding conceal and carry in church, and the response was I need to recheck my morals...
 
Nancy Chaney
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10:25 am (1 minute ago)

I am sorry I have missed your email. I will be on vacation until Aug 6. If you need assistance, you may contact Administrative Secretary Laurie Lewis at [email protected] or 883-7080. City Council Acting President Bill Lambert will act as mayor in my absence. He may be reached at 882-9138 or [email protected].

On vacation... lights are on but no one is home I guess...
 
Okay got a source supposedly at the BSU library. Gotta head down there and use their terminals though since I'm not a student so can't use their online version.
 
Carry In Church?

I've also sent email to the Latah County Sheriffs office before regarding conceal and carry in church, and the response was I need to recheck my morals...
Send him a copy of the Charl Van Wyk book, Shooting Back regarding carry in church.

Check your morals?

We've had religiously motivated shootings and other assaults on American soil within the last couple of years.

One of those was just West of Idaho, wasn't it?

Sheriff seems to support "security through wishful thinking."
 
MD WILLINGTON - "I'd also like to know if the Latah County Sheriff and the Chief of Police support a firearms ban, one previous Chief of Police doesn't think people should be armed... He's a Sheriff in Santa Barbara now aparently..."

Now the Sheriff of Santa Barbara County, Calif.?? Yep, that explains everything. He would never have been elected Sheriff of Santa Barbara County unless he had been anti-guns for the worker peasants. Another elitist Constitution hater.

Santa Barbara's population is very heavily made up of, and controlled by the mega wealthy leftists, and extreme left liberal members of the faculty and adminstration of U.C.S.B.

No surprise there.

L.W.
 
For those that need a heads-up, up north:

The Idaho statutes (City and County preemption) are the result of these two cases:

In re Brickey, 8 Idaho 597

This was a 1902 determination by the Idaho Supreme Court that said that while the State may regulate carry, such as concealed carry, it could not disarm its citizens.

State v. Woodward, 58 Idaho 385 a 1937 case that re-iterated, in part, what the Court in Brickey had said, but went further and made it clear that the State could not forbid self defense and the lawful use of whatever means it took to defend your life.

A further case, State v Hart, 66 Idaho 217 in 1945 clarified that your gun could not be confiscated under anything short of felonious use.

In 1970, an amendment was made to the Idaho Constitution that brought Idaho's RKBA more in line with the above three cases.

Even if the Legislature passed a law that allowed some kind of gun-carry ban, it would be struck down by the Supreme Court of Idaho.
 
Article incoming:

Mayor Chaney says rash of shooting deaths has led the city to look into its ability to limit arms at public venues

By David Johnson

Wednesday, August 1, 2007

MOSCOW - No guns have apparently been packed into city council meetings here or carried within city buildings or parks, officials said Tuesday.

Nonetheless, Mayor Nancy Chaney said she's asked for a legal opinion on whether the city has authority to prohibit both concealed and exposed weapons in public places.

"We don't want to tread on anyone's Second Amendment rights," Chaney said. "We want to find out what is within our legal prerogative."

City Supervisor Gary Riedner said City Attorney Randy Fife has been asked to seek the opinion from the office of the Idaho attorney general before any additional action is taken. As it stands now, Riedner said, everyone attending a city council meeting could bring an exposed rifle, shotgun or handgun.

"Unless there's authority to restrict it, under state law you can carry an exposed gun," Riedner said. Concealed weapons may also be carried as long as the carrier has a permit
issued through the sheriff's office. Idaho also recognizes concealed weapons permits from other states.

Idaho, in fact, is one of the more liberal states when it comes to gun restrictions, said Latah County Prosecutor William Thompson Jr. While guns are prohibited by judicial order at the county courthouse here, Thompson said there are no such prohibitions on other county property. The discharge of a weapon on county
property, however, is prohibited, Thompson said. Brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner, such as pointing it at someone, is illegal everywhere unless the act is in self-
defense, he added.

District court judges, Thompson said, have authority to regulate what goes on within a courthouse and can prohibit weapons. Former District Court Judge John Bengtson declared the prohibition at the Latah County Courthouse.


Chaney said her concern on city property, in part, stems from the rash of shooting deaths in Latah County over the past five months. She said the May shooting at the courthouse, which resulted in three deaths - including a Moscow police officer - gave her pause about how vulnerable people are in public settings.

She also expressed concern about a trend in some circles to glorify weapons, to the point of armed citizens being encouraged to "swoop in to protect people" during confrontations that should be handled by police.

While firearms are prohibited in schools by state law, in federal buildings by federal law and in county courthouses by judicial order, the city has no obvious authority to invoke such protection, Riedner said.

Once a legal opinion is received from the state, said Chaney, the matter will make its way to members of the city council for eventual consideration of a resolution or ordinance banning or restricting firearms on city property.

I'm on a public terminal so not gonna say much till I get back to the office.
 
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