O.K. ladies and gentlemen. In my never ending quest to be at least a contender in the "He who dies with the most toys..." category, I have found a Mosin 91/30 at a local sporting goods shop. They have $169 on it and it has the most unblemished stock I have seen yet. I have access to a plentiful supply of 7.62x54 ammo and want a decent paper puncher and coyote gun. It might get a scope mount for those hard to reach places that might hide a varmint also. I have no experience with these guns, are they accurate enough to get the job done? Is it a worthwile journey? I know they can be a handful with the recoil, but I can take it for a while without tears. Sound off and let me know if this would be a good buy.
Mosin 91/30
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Ash
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It's up to you, but consider that the majority of these are being sold on the wholesale market for $69 plus shipping. These are fine rifles, but I would talk him down $50-$60.
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MikeG
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Mosin M91/30
The price seems a little high. Big 5 Sporting Goods here in Colorado puts them on sale for $90.00 every so often. OTOH, if it's worth it to you, go for it.
Accuracy varies somewhat, but most are good enough for what you want.
The Mosin Nagants are a lot of fun and somewhat habit forming. I have about 20 Mosin Nagants of different models, including 6 M91/30s.
There's many good web sites out there with info on the Mosin Nagant. Here's two of the best.
http://www.mosinnagant.net/
http://7.62x54r.net/
Good Luck with it.
Mike
The price seems a little high. Big 5 Sporting Goods here in Colorado puts them on sale for $90.00 every so often. OTOH, if it's worth it to you, go for it.
Accuracy varies somewhat, but most are good enough for what you want.
The Mosin Nagants are a lot of fun and somewhat habit forming. I have about 20 Mosin Nagants of different models, including 6 M91/30s.
There's many good web sites out there with info on the Mosin Nagant. Here's two of the best.
http://www.mosinnagant.net/
http://7.62x54r.net/
Good Luck with it.
Mike
alamo
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Aim has them for $69. But with shipping and transfer fee it would be a bit more. The dealer might get them a slight bit cheaper but he has shipping too plus some profit so it's unlikely he would part with it for $50-60.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_Model_91_30_7_62x54R_Mosin_Nagant.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_Model_91_30_7_62x54R_Mosin_Nagant.html
Ad Astra
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Hope they will deal... everybody needs a Mosin-Nagant.
I got a Tula/hex rec./laminate stock with Dragoon markings for that.
Gun dealers deserve to earn a living though. I don't mention my C&R at gunshows when I see their, ahem, high prices for stuff I mail-order.
Got a friend with a C&R?
I got a Tula/hex rec./laminate stock with Dragoon markings for that.
Gun dealers deserve to earn a living though. I don't mention my C&R at gunshows when I see their, ahem, high prices for stuff I mail-order.
Got a friend with a C&R?
Matt Dillon
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I would advise you to purchase a Mosin Nagant made either before or after the World War 2 years. I have two, a 91/30 made in 1927 and an M44 made in 1947. They are both excellent shooters and a lot of fun, but it is my understanding that during the WW2 year their QC standards may not have been up to snuff.
rangerruck
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i love mine, and would not trade it for nothin. Yes it should be plenty accurate, get 3 or 5 of the differnet wolf loads also, see which one it likes best. Also if you have an Academy in your area , go get a butler creek, SMALL SIZE, slip on pad for about 5 or 6 bucks, a def must. clean out the bore and lube it up real good, patch it out , and fire away. if you use milsurp rounds, make sure you clean right away.
Cosmoline
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It's impossible to say without more information. When was it made? Who made it? What are the stamps on it?
Great replies so far, I am learning a bunch. I don't have any C&R availability close by. If anyone in Ohio is reading this and wants to help out PM me. I have no idea what the manufacturing dates and locations are, I am not much in the area of collecting as much as I am in the area of tossing rounds downrange. I have read in a couple of locations that the Tula models are desirable but have forgotten what the stamp is, anybody that can post a pic or an IP address?
Kymasabe
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Mosins are stamped on the barrel right by the receiver. Should have a year stamped there. Also the arsenal mark should be visible. Arrow in a triangle is the Ishevsk arsenal, arrow in a star is Tula. I agree with the previous post about staying away from WW2 years...manufacturing was sloppy, quality control was non-existant. Most built during those years show rough machining and the bolts are generally a little harder to operate because of it. Also, check to see if the gun you're buying is a "numbers matching" gun. For $169 I would expect it to be. It'll be stamped in four places, the barrel by the arsenal mark, the top of the bolt, the floor plate of the mag, and the top of the butt plate. If it was refurbed/re-arsenaled, there may be numbers which are force matched, crossed out and electro-penciled in....in my opinion, not as nice or collectable as all stamped and matching.
My Russian M38 is an OK gun...but my Polish M44 blows it away. Much better quality. Good luck. Mosins are addictive and a blast to shoot.
My Russian M38 is an OK gun...but my Polish M44 blows it away. Much better quality. Good luck. Mosins are addictive and a blast to shoot.
armoredman
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My 1943 Izzy M38 works just fine, thank you. It was rearsenalled after the war, counterbored, and issued an M44 stock, but shoots straight, and is a HECK of a lot of fun at the range. Nothing like watching everyone turn their heads at the massive BOOM and fireball!
I agree with the above posters - you can get a pristine 91/30 for under $100. I had to sell my two 91/30s for chump change a while back, (food seemed more necessary, for some reason), but I would love that '20 Izzy Hex I had back....
I agree with the above posters - you can get a pristine 91/30 for under $100. I had to sell my two 91/30s for chump change a while back, (food seemed more necessary, for some reason), but I would love that '20 Izzy Hex I had back....
Langenator
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Using a Mosin for a coyote gun? You must have some dang big coyotes! 
Kymasabe
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Regarding the fireball....The 7.62x54R round I was told has a slow burning powder and works best in a long gun like the 91/30. The M38's and M44's have an awesome muzzle flash because some of that powder isn't done burning (or so I read somewhere). I agree with the last post, firing one of the carbines is impressive. Huge boom, big flame. I think the original manuals given to soldiers advised against shooting the thing prone in dry grass. Anyway, I found a hacked up chinese type 53, I've been thinking of buying it (it's at a local pawn shop for $50), and putting it in a cheal ATI stock, and cutting down the barrel to 16 inches and welding on a muzzle brake I have. That would be one mighty impressive flame !! God help whoever is next to me at the range.
Kymasabe
Ya might want to think twice about cutting up that Chinese model...on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the rarest the Chinese models rate 7...I made the big mistake of cutting the bayonet lug off mine before I found that out but it does shoot like a dream!
Ya might want to think twice about cutting up that Chinese model...on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the rarest the Chinese models rate 7...I made the big mistake of cutting the bayonet lug off mine before I found that out but it does shoot like a dream!
I have an m-38 I got from interordnance for 65 bucks that was unissued. It is absolutely pristine. It shoots great. I have used it for hog hunting with outstanding results. I want a 91/30 now. NEVER fire it without at least ear plug in, even if your hunting, it is by far the loudest gun ever.
Even if it looks good externally, check the bore and expecially the muzzle crown...I've seen quite a few that looked pretty good, but had lots of muzzle wear from using the original steel cleaning rod(and corrosive ammo). I paid $80 for mine, in OK condition, but far from "really nice"... If its truly in mint condition (most aren't) I would try to get it for $120-140 bucks. The alternative is an M-44 which I see far more of in mint (re-arsenaled) condition for under $100. I bought a nearly flawless (some minor stock dings, metal perfect) Polish M-44 for $79.99 at Dunham's.
Potentially, these are pretty accurate (but the only milsurp ammo I've found accurate was Czech "Silvertip").
Potentially, these are pretty accurate (but the only milsurp ammo I've found accurate was Czech "Silvertip").
Zen21Tao
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During WW2 the Russian government began to mass produce Mosin Nagants churning them out as quickly as possible. To accomplish this, a number of shortcuts were taken that many believe reduced the quality of the rifles. The general consensus is that to ensure the best quality of your rifle you want to look for Mosin that have the features that were abandoning during the mass production period. Spend as much time as you can researching Mosins before you buy one as the quality of your purchase depends on it.
Here is a great research site for you to use to find the quality for your Mosin as well as identify the markings on it: http://7.62x54r.net/
Specific links if interest
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM9130S.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinReceivers.htm (Under the photos is a list of the changes made as Mosins were being mass produced.)
Also of interest will be these links:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinIDII.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeaturesII.htm
Some additional Mosin info that might be useful:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp
As for buying one over the internet, you can find a local FFL holder by going to www.gunbroker.com and looking under the “for buyers” section.
And to answer your question about manufacture markings. Tula is a star with an arrow in it. Izhevsk is a triange with an arrow.
Here is a great research site for you to use to find the quality for your Mosin as well as identify the markings on it: http://7.62x54r.net/
Specific links if interest
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM9130S.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinReceivers.htm (Under the photos is a list of the changes made as Mosins were being mass produced.)
Also of interest will be these links:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinIDII.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeaturesII.htm
Some additional Mosin info that might be useful:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp
As for buying one over the internet, you can find a local FFL holder by going to www.gunbroker.com and looking under the “for buyers” section.
And to answer your question about manufacture markings. Tula is a star with an arrow in it. Izhevsk is a triange with an arrow.
I just recived my M91/30 Ishevsk 1942 with matching numbers in good shape I payed $130.69 out the door orderd in from a local gun shop . I also bought 200 rounds 182 gr silver with yellow band tip ammo and I am dieing to shoot it. Good luck on your perches and happy shooting!!!!
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