mosin nagant accuracy
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dh1633pm
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Nope. I might play around to see if I can tighten them up a bit, but with iron sights, its just playing around and not serious. Sounds like a shooter to me.
Mr. Hill
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Probably not, but it would be interesting if you could mount a scope on the rifle.
entropy
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I concur. Leave it alone.
someguy2800
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At that point your eyes are a much bigger factor than the gun. Wherever you got that one I'll take two please
herrwalther
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If you already have the reloading supplies, it might be a fun little project. But not really worth dumping $200+ to reload a surplus Russian round. Not really worth bedding the rifle either unless you are putting an Archangel or Monte Carlo stock on it.
When I still had my Mosin it was "Minute of Paper Plate" accurate on irons while standing, which was plenty accurate for the plans I had for it. Just never finished them and sold the gun at a profit.
When I still had my Mosin it was "Minute of Paper Plate" accurate on irons while standing, which was plenty accurate for the plans I had for it. Just never finished them and sold the gun at a profit.
22250Rem
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1.5 to 2" groups rested at 100 yds? With surplus ammo and iron sights?...... If my Mosin 91/30 did that I wouldn't change a thing. And I'd probably have never started handloading for it. But I already had just about everything needed except dies and fixed that problem with an inexpensive set of Lee dies ( which work very well). Here's about as good as it gets for me on a 9" diameter paper plate from the bench off rests at 100 yds.. Have had a few groups a bit smaller but not by much and didn't have the camera with me that day. My Mosin is unmodified with the exception of a Euclidean Machine Co. front sight which looks original but is adjustable for elevation and windage. When mine starts to get 1.5 to 2" groups I will have found my magic handload and proceed to make that my standard go-to load.
its an original. I'm asking on behalf of my best friend. I think he is getting way too into this as he purchased a crown cutter and recrowned the barrel, had a smith mill the stock and receiver for a scope and now says hes ordering the stuff to glass bed and pillar it. I will tell you this I was shooting my varmint rifle right next to him and looked over to see what he was going with irons shooting at a black and green shoot n see and I couldn't believe it. he had something like a 4'' shoot n see circle and 3 out of 5 shots were almost touching each other and the last 2 flew high so I figured the barrel got too hot but measuring eye ball and hand I swore it was a 2'' group. He wants to handload for it but I'm telling him just leave it be and be happy that he might sink a lot of money into it and get nothing more.
He said he tried PPU ammo instead of surplus and got like 5-7'' groups with the Russian scope. says the surplus will shoot consistent groups like the first group he tried. I guess I'm just trying to make him see he might be wasting a lot of money on this thing and a little curious myself cause they are pretty neat for some hard kicking plinking.
we are 30yo and hes had that think since we were in like 9th grade.
he put 3 in the black circle and the other 2 went a little high.
Ive never gotten decent groups from my mosins with surplus ammo, so id say hes doing pretty well as is.
Honestly theres zero practical reason to sporterize/accurize/customize any mill surp at this point. Pretty much any over the counter 300dollar blaster will equall or better even a "good" milsurp.
BUT there are some of us who really enjoy the journey.
Ive got 3 arisaka builds, ive done mosins, and springfields....all of which ended up costing somewhere over 500 bucks.
My 6.5x284 arisaka will probably cost me close to a grand when i finish it.
If i wanted a shooter id have just gone and bought one.
Honestly imo, your job as a friend isnt to convince him not to dump money into his mosin, its to make sure he realizes that hes doing it for the fun of doing it, not because hes getting a better gun at a better deal than if he bought one.
As to reloading the 7.62x54, that i think is worthwhile. Especially if he hunts with it.
Ive easily equaled standard 06 performance with x54 handloads. Accuracy has been uniformly good when the correct bore dia bullets are used, and cost is actually pretty low. I used alot of ppu brass, and hornady and sierra .311 softpoints and matchkings.
Honestly theres zero practical reason to sporterize/accurize/customize any mill surp at this point. Pretty much any over the counter 300dollar blaster will equall or better even a "good" milsurp.
BUT there are some of us who really enjoy the journey.
Ive got 3 arisaka builds, ive done mosins, and springfields....all of which ended up costing somewhere over 500 bucks.
My 6.5x284 arisaka will probably cost me close to a grand when i finish it.
If i wanted a shooter id have just gone and bought one.
Honestly imo, your job as a friend isnt to convince him not to dump money into his mosin, its to make sure he realizes that hes doing it for the fun of doing it, not because hes getting a better gun at a better deal than if he bought one.
As to reloading the 7.62x54, that i think is worthwhile. Especially if he hunts with it.
Ive easily equaled standard 06 performance with x54 handloads. Accuracy has been uniformly good when the correct bore dia bullets are used, and cost is actually pretty low. I used alot of ppu brass, and hornady and sierra .311 softpoints and matchkings.
denton
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Yes, reload if you have the equipment. That way, you will surely avoid any corrosive ammo.
A lot of 7.62x54R brass seems to need annealing.
MAYBE add Mojo sights, which are a big improvement for those of us with eyes over about 45.
Other than that, QUIT MESSING WITH IT!
A lot of 7.62x54R brass seems to need annealing.
MAYBE add Mojo sights, which are a big improvement for those of us with eyes over about 45.
Other than that, QUIT MESSING WITH IT!
corrosive primed ammo isn't a problem, as long as you clean it with HOT water to flush out the salts - then clean normally
22250Rem
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......... A few years ago I purchased several hundred rounds of Privi Partizan 150 gr. SP ammo because I felt that most of the available 7.62x54R reloading brass was overpriced or not what I considered good enough for reloading. I've had great satisfaction with Privi brass ( headstamp is : PPU ) in other chamberings and when I got a good deal on some loaded ammo I jumped on it. I've never done any annealing but so far some of my 7.62x54R privi brass has been reloaded 3 times and still looks great. Their 150 gr. S.P. stuff also shoots good out of my Mosin. I had always figured if I didn't get a good enough handload and wanted to hunt with the Mosin I could always use the 150 gr. Privi stuff. Here's a 50 yard paper plate ( 7 inch diameter) with 5 rounds of 150 gr. Privi ammo when I was making myself some more high quality 7.62x54R reloading brass.
tark
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I have a New England Westinghouse by way of Finland. It has the "SA" inside a rectangle. It is a very early gun, a 31" BBL and no handguard over the barrel. Never had one. The Arshin range markings are stamped over and meters are stamped on the other side of the sight. It shot several groups as good as the OPs until I stupidly assumed that some 95 stamped Russian ammo would be non corrosive. It had a mint bore, now it is lightly frosted. It only takes a couple of days. From now on, everything is corrosive as far as I am concerned, unless it is clearly marked otherwise.
There are a couple of ways to accurize on the cheap without permanent alteration. One, you can use a finnish trigger, polish the trigger pin, and use a mousetrap spring mounted to the trigger to improve the reset/slack. The second is applying shims and cork to key places on the receiver and barrel. Another alteration is better sights. One place where you can get instructions plus the material is at http://www.smith-sights.com/
Basically, these are some of the tricks that the Finns used to improve their Mosin's accuracy and rebuild Russian rifles to the Finn specifications.
I know the guy running the smith sights place was a THR poster on Mosins and he may join in a bit later.
Basically, these are some of the tricks that the Finns used to improve their Mosin's accuracy and rebuild Russian rifles to the Finn specifications.
I know the guy running the smith sights place was a THR poster on Mosins and he may join in a bit later.
herrwalther
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Essentially what I did to my Mosin. Mine had 2 major problems the first time I took it to the range: it was a single shot, the ejector didn't work well. And the trigger pull was inconsistent and heavy between 6 and 8 pounds. About 4 Youtube videos later and about $30 worth of tools (most of which I already had) it was a real bolt action again with a crisp 4.5 pound trigger.
Swampman
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I sure wouldn't mess with the rifle!
I'd also buy as much of that ammo as I could find. The odds of the rifle shooting that well with just any randomly selected surplus ammo are remote.
Do you mind me asking what model Mosin it is and where/when it was made?
Any information you could provide on the country and manufacture date of the surplus ammo would be welcome as well.
caribou
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Typical......... 
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