Mosin Nagant recoil?

[bartsimpson123844]

"I can put 100 rounds through my 91/30 without feeling sore. I'd rather shoot that many rounds from a 91/30 than to shoot 5 or 6 rounds from a 12 gauge. The 12 gage, especially in single shot, is a monster"

Yeah, really. I have shot a Remington 870 Express 12 guage and, compared to my tiny single shot Rossi 20 guage, it has very little recoil.

 

[Deer Hunter]

My M44 is not the cannon everyone says it is. 203 grain SP rounds go downrange with the kick of a .308. Don't let the internet scare you.

 

[tube_ee]

Standing, it's not bad. From the bench, without a recoil pad, it's pretty painiful. BOOM!!... OUCH!!! Shooting Hungarian yellow-tip (heavy ball) off sand bags, while leaning into the rifle's Nazi-skull-cracking stock hurts. A lot. I'd rather shoot .458 Win mag out of a double rifle standing than the M44 from the bench. Really. Done both, the M44 hurt more.

With a small Butler Creek slip-on, I can shoot it all day standing, and a box or two from the bench is about my limit. Without the pad, my bench limit is about 1 magazine-full.

The Mosin stock is just plain brutal, at least to my shoulder. Of course, I'm not wearing Red Army winter gear (about 4 layers of wool) with a division of homicidal Germans running towards me at full speed, so YMMV.

--Shannon

 

[Antihero]

My M44 is not the cannon everyone says it is. 203 grain SP rounds go downrange with the kick of a .308. Don't let the internet scare you.

Im not letting myself get scared. as a matter of fact im gonna go and search for my Mosin tomarrow. I have a good feeling ill be coming home with one

 

[MisterPX]

See how it fits you. As far as recoil, everybody's differnet. I had an Ishapore 2A, had the MOST recoil of anyhting I've fired. Second to that was a Marlin 30-30. Rem. 700 in 30-06 had less felt recoil than those two, heck, I could shoot slugs out of a shotgun longer than I could shoot either of those two rifles.

 

[krell]

Has anyone slugged the bores on their Mosins to determine groove and bore diameter? Lots of them have loose bores, not to mention worn bores. It's rare to have a 91/30 or an M38 with the proper sized bore. Milsurp ammo uses .310-.311" bullets, but many Mosin bores are .315" or more, especially the M38's. That translates to a decrease in accuracy. A Mosin with a wartime date will likely have a loose bore. This is due to the fact that they built 'em in a hurry with no time to worry about specs. The M44, on the other hand, is mostly a post-war gun and built with greater quality control and tighter bores. The metal finish is cleaner because they had time to polish it, unlike the rougher M38. A 1946-48 dated M44 is twice the gun an M38 is. You may also find that the M44 barrels heat up faster than the M38. Tighter bores create more friction and seal the gases better. I still dig my M38. It's been there.

The Russians were sloppy, but they won.

 

[Antihero]

The Mosin stock is just plain brutal, at least to my shoulder. Of course, I'm not wearing Red Army winter gear (about 4 layers of wool) with a division of homicidal Germans running towards me at full speed, so YMMV.

You know i bet in a situation like that the answer would be.."Recoil? There was recoil???? Where!?!"

See how it fits you. As far as recoil, everybody's differnet. I had an Ishapore 2A, had the MOST recoil of anyhting I've fired. Second to that was a Marlin 30-30. Rem. 700 in 30-06 had less felt recoil than those two, heck, I could shoot slugs out of a shotgun longer than I could shoot either of those two rifles.

Hmm my Ishy must fit me well cause its not much more to me than the 30-30 which is pleasent to me.

I dont like to fire 12 gauge slugs all day, but 30 or so is ok if its 2 3/4. If its 3 inch slugs??? Im not firing it

 

[Rugerdaddy]

Mine's an M44

The M44, on the other hand, is mostly a post-war gun and built with greater quality control and tighter bores. The metal finish is cleaner because they had time to polish it, unlike the rougher M38. A 1946-48 dated M44 is twice the gun an M38 is. You may also find that the M44 barrels heat up faster than the M38. Tighter bores create more friction and seal the gases better.

Good! Mine's a 1946 M44, so it ought to be in good shape. The guy I bought it from on gunbroker.com said it is, and also said the bolt NEVER sticks. I'll clean it up really well anyway before I fire it. I'm thinking about stripping and refinishing the stock as well, just to make it look "purty". Thanks for the input.

 

[madmike]

Just got an M44 in pristine, unfired condition, for $79

It even comes with a funny-looking spit on the front, looks like it's for barbecuing a chicken.

I can't wait to find out what the Russians felt when they killed Nazis---RECOIL

 

[White Horseradish]

It just occurred to me that Mosin butt has to cause pains
remember that butt-stroke was a standard move in hands-to-hands combat, once you've broken your BBQ spike a.k.a. Model 1891/30 bayonet

And it's the original Russian crowd control device.

Really, a Mosin butt to the teeth would be enough to dissuade just about anybody...

 

[Hoppy590]

And it's the original Russian crowd control device.

Really, a Mosin butt to the teeth would be enough to dissuade just about anybody...

a mosin butt to the shoulder is what im more concerned about

metal butt plates of anykind tend to get me.

 

[Antihero]

Since this got bumped back to the top i thought id mention that i got a 91/30 and the recoil is slightly more than nil. Seriously the recoil isnt a problem at all

 

[cracked butt]

My M44 is not the cannon everyone says it is. 203 grain SP rounds go downrange with the kick of a .308. Don't let the internet scare you.

+1
They don't recoil that bad. Most of the perceived recoil is just the muzzle blast.

I'd rather shoot 50 rounds through a mosin carbine from a bench than 5 3" 12 guage turkey loads from a bench.

 

[Eightball]

If you get a mosin, only fire it from the standing position, recoil seems less that way. It ranks in between a .30-30 and some heavy-duty 12 loads, in my book. I can fire a heckuva lot more Mosin rounds than .30-30, though.....maybe just the way it recoils--that, and I'm partial to mine And it's rougly comparable to a .308, I'd say just a hair less.

 

[Eightball]

It even comes with a funny-looking spit on the front, looks like it's for barbecuing a chicken.

That's the point--spear the chicken, shoot the chicken to kill it, and you cook it with the shot---all in 2 easy steps! Thrust and shoot, and you have dinner, cooked and ready to go!

 

[wnycollector]

The recoil of a mosin nagant carbine is what you would expect from a 7.5 lb 30-06 range caliber...it is stout but NOT horrible! My 91-30 is MUCh more tolerable for extended shooting sessions. I have a simple rubber recoil pad (just like you would find at walmart) that I slide on...but thats it. I cant say enough for most com block surplus rifles. They are cheap, simple, rugged and most of all RELIABLE!

 

[Cacique500]

I collect M39's and love to shoot them, but the recoil can be a bit much at times. I solved this by getting one of the Past Recoil Shields and I can shoot all day long with no issues.

7.62x54R ammo *generally* comes in two flavors, light ball (147 gr) and heavy ball (182 gr) - I tend to stick with the 147 grain but your Mosin may like something else. Get a couple types of ammo and try them out to see which one your rifle likes best.

Three other good sources for you for mosin info (and on cleaning/disassembly):

http://www.surplusrifle.com/mosincarbine/index.asp - off to the right of the page there's a section on disassembly / cleaning.

Another good source is www.gunboards.com - they have a great mosin section with some *really* knowledgeable people.

For general information and an amazing section on ammunition, go to http://www.7.62x54r.com - this is the best reference on 7.62x54R ammunition on the net.

Good luck with it - you love it!

 

[hueytaxi]

Fired my M-44 for the first time last week. Impressed with the iron sights factory zero at the 50 yd. range. Being used to my 7.62 x 39, I was through after 30-35 rounds. I had enough. Not bad, just enough.

 

[CNYCacher]

I also have a 12ga at around 6lbs and have shot hundreds of 2-3/4 slugs through it.

If the shotgun is a 10 on the recoil scale, my M44 is about a 8, maybe a 7.5

You'll love it.

 

[B yond]

Remember me?

I bought an old beat-up M44 (with a good bore) and sporterized it for a long-range rifle, but mostly just for fun.

I only shoot surplus silver-tip through it and I've been doing most of my shooting prone lately. I do notice the kick when firing prone, but it's very manageable from any other position I've tried, and even shooting prone seems to hurt less every time. Maybe I've just damaged the nerves in my shoulder.

My point is this: just shoot it. If it's too much recoil for you, that just means you need to shoot it more. Russians are tough, but they're not superhuman. If they can learn to handle it, you probably can too.

 

[Prince Yamato]

First step purcase a Styer 95 Carbine, then switch to the M44. It will seem like a pussycat.

Funny, 'cause I own an M95 and was considering getting the M44 and wanted to know what the kick was like. Yes, the steyr will make you VERY sore.

 

[ZeSpectre]

M39 is a thumper and made worse by that nice soft METAL buttplate. I guess if you took a full power 12GA, removed the recoil pad, and put a metal butplate on it you'd have an idea. (Or like the time my SxS 12 GA "doubled" on me with magnum load in it... now THAT was a kick!)