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Mosin Nagant

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Vincent Vash, Jul 12, 2009.

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  1. Vincent Vash

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    Looking to possibly get one, found one for $130 shipped off of gunbroker. Anyone know much about these? A friend got me very interested in them, but I have never shot one.

    I hear they are loud though... hows the kick? I am 6'5" and 220lbs, I think I'll be ok, just was wondering.
     
  2. Birdmang

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    I shot about 20 rounds last weekend with my M44. It spits fire and did leave some marks. I was also shooting 270WSM so that could have done it too.

    Where are you located?
     
  3. Vincent Vash

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    Maine. It would be my first gun. My parents are not very gun pro, but I am. I am 18, but since I still live in the same vicinity I have not been able to get a gun until now. I have heard that a .22 might be better but I have shot .22's and didn't really have much fun.. no noise, no kick, small hole in the target....
     
  4. Birdmang

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    I got 200 rds of 7.62x54r for around $37. I bought 800 rds of .22LR the same day for $19. I love my Mosin but I shoot my .22 pistols and rifles more. Its cheaper and I like being able to shoot cans at 60-70 yards with a .22, its awesome. It comes down to personal choice. The M44 is great but at the range for a day I probably shoot ~12 rds of x54r and at least 200 rds of .22. Good luck finding a fun gun!
     
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    Vincent I caution you with one thing on buying a Mosin Nagant.

    They are highly addictive and you seem to always buy just one more since they are relatively cheap.

    For the price you really can't beat them..With a guy your size recoil won't be a problem. Some fairly small Russian women used Sniper Variants to great effect in WWII so you can handle it.

    Surplus Ammo is still readily available but most is corrosive so get some windex and clean the bore after shooting.
     
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    Lots of them out there from lots of places, you might be able to beat that price with J&G Sales, AIM Surplus, or several other places online. Get a copy of Shotgun News and look over the ads. It's better if you can check it out in person first, but a good Plan B is to buy from one of the online dealers, they tend to ship out the better rifles, they don't want the bad rep of selling worn-out beaters. I'd trust them before I'd trust a pawn shop, FTF sale or auction.

    What kind are you looking at? I have a 1938 91/30 made at the Tula factory, and it's a dandy. Shoots about like a bolt-action .30-06, but the steel buttplate is rather harsh. It "should" come with a bayonet, sling, ammo pouches, and some other accessories, make sure it does.

    Don't pooh-pooh the humble .22! Dollar for dollar, you can have MORE FUN just plinking around with a .22 rifle than any other gun out there! Water-filled cans and plastic bottles, paper targets, fruit, vanilla wafers, water balloons, golf balls, bottle caps, spent shotgun shells, you name it. The challenge of hitting small or reactive targets is a hoot! And you never get a sore shoulder from recoil, or the pounding on your hearing (but still wear hearing protection, especially with .22 pistols!) Plus, it's MUCH cheaper to shoot all day long. IF you can find any 500 round bricks of .22LR anywhere.

    My grandson and I haul a whole truckful of guns when we go shooting, and we shoot 'em all, but the .22's ALWAYS get more trigger time, and my ancient Remington 514 single-shot seems to get the most. It's also deadly accurate.
     
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  7. Vincent Vash

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    Well, my problem is that the range is $200 to become a member (then $125/yr). Then I was looking at Savage's but the .22s start at $250 on their site. then ammo. I just got into college, so I don't have a ton of $$$. Still looking to get a job, but I am in VA for 3 weeks before heading back to ME.

    BTW, why is there no b/s/t forum on THR? Did I miss it?

    Edit: the 91/30 is what I am eyeing.. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133955448
     
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    How the heck did I miss that? I must not have loaded the entire page.. It's been awhile since I was on THR, I got yelled at in politics awhile back >.> But people tell me if I stay out of that I'll be fine.
     
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    I love my Mosin. I'll usually put 60 rounds through it at the range. Leaves a slight yellowish bruise on my shoulder. 5'9" 315lb.
     
  11. Vincent Vash

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    There are two types of receivers right, Hex and another, which is better?
     
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    No there's a little more to it...have you gone over to http://7.62x54r.net/ yet? worth a look around to anwser some of your questions.

    BTW I have 5 MN's from when they were $69ea and one PU Ex Sniper with excellent bore that I've not yet shot.
     
  13. Vincent Vash

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    thanks for the link, reading up now.
     
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    I have a .30-06. Recoil is equivalent between the .30-06 and 7.62 x 54R.
    I'm 5' 7" and weigh 135 lbs. I'm fine. Recoil is about on par with a 12 gauge.
     
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    Now I just need to find a 91/30 in good condition :)

    What would you guys recommend for a decent scope that won't break the bank that will work for the 91/30?
     
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    Also, you can pick up a new Savage .22 at Wal-Mart for around $150 (around here, maybe less elsewhere.. maybe less here...). But it's not gonna be as much fun as a Mosin.. but it will be cheaper in the long run. Also, smaller calibers are better for beginner shooters.
     
  17. Vincent Vash

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    Walmarts up here stopped carrying guns.

    @jpwilly - sorry I did not do my research before asking

    Anyone know the best online retailer to grab a 91/30? J&G I heard mentioned somewhere...
     
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    wow.. think I may shop there. On GB they were $135+

    Only down side is its just the gun and the Bayonet, no other goodies... still. Anyways, thank you all for the help.
     
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    As I understand it: a Mosin (i.e. crack) addition starts innocently (and cheaply enough), but before long your family is calling an intervention in on you. ;)

    I have two (both run-of-the-mill wartime models from the Izhevsk arsenal; a '42 91/30 and a '44 M44) and enjoy them quite a bit. That said, if I was ever inclined to downsize my collection (relatively modest though it is), they would probably be the first to go.

    To be quite honest, they're mediocre rifles, and stand out only because they're cheap and readily available which makes collecting them an attainable sub-hobby. All of this is presently helped along by a supply of relatively cheap surplus ammunition, which will surely exhaust itself sooner or later. If the average Mosin ran you $350-400 instead of $100, I sincerely doubt that "Mosinitis" would even exist.
     
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    Ah, now putting a scope on a 91/30, that's a whole 'nother story. It can be done, there's several ways to do it, but that's a thread in itself. If you go to www.gunandgame.com, and look in the Mosin section, you'll find tons of info on scoping the 91/30 and Mosins in general. Got a big bunch of M/N lovers there. Nice community too.
     
  22. Vincent Vash

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    I'll check out the link rondog.

    @jws527 - Is there any other rifle thats ~$100 that is decent then? I mean, I would LOVE an H&K SL-7 but thats $1700 easy >.>
     
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    Nope - but that's my point. They're exceptional for what they cost (i.e. almost nothing). Granted, I do have a very accurate Savage Mk.II that I paid $117 for (new), but that's a .22 and clearly not in the same league.

    Soviet Mosins can actually be great shooters, if you're lucky or patient enough to get the right one. Because they're milsurps that saw active use in some capacity or another, bore condition is a crapshoot. My 91/30 has sharp rifling and an intact original crown and shoots well as a consequence, but keeping my well-used M44 on the paper is a minor challenge even at 50 meters.

    I have good reasons for saying that they're "mediocre." Performance aside (for reasons above): the bolt is clunky, trigger feel is poor, sights are poor, and the safety is effectively useless. It's also somewhat tedious to break down and clean - especially the bolt, which requires the use of a flathead screwdriver (or, ideally, the special notched "Mosin tool" included with some of them) to properly reset the firing pin. Compared to a K98 (for example), it simply doesn't seem as though a lot of thought went into the original design. One thing that I will concede is that they're tough as nails.

    That said, those criticisms apply primarily to the Soviet guns - and they're still a lot of fun to shoot, regardless (I'm sure part of the charm actually comes from the fact that they're so primitive). The Finns made their own versions which are supposed to be vastly superior, though the prices reflect that.
     
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