Mosin Nagants--one better than the other??

[Southern Shooter]

Is there any difference in quality or performance between a 91/30 Mosin Nagants made in Izhevsk and Tula? Why would a person want one over the other?

Thanks

 

[dstorm1911]

thats a really long order, and would take months to get into, a better answer is to simply refer ya to the primary web site for Mosin Nagant collectors

gunboards.com

go to forums, then scroll down to the collector forum, as far as functionality they are the same but as far as collectability there are literally hundreds of other variables, such as year, type of reciever etc.... this is without even getting into particular variations, I have 320 91/30s each is different...

 

[wnycollector]

I would also suggest checking out www.surplusrifle.com for and overview of different M/N models (and surplus guns in general). Another excellent site dedicated to M/N's is http://www.7.62x54r.net/

 

[Hoppy590]

what year? war era rifles. tula's are more "collectable" because fewer were made.

pre war era, there were fewer Izhevsk made.

its too hard to say if one armory is better than the other. since even 2 rifles from the same armory and same year could vary greatly in quality.

if you get the chance to get a war era tula, get it.
if you get the chance to ger a prewar izhevsk, get it.
know what. moral of the story. get one of each arsenal and style.

 

[rangerruck]

short answers are, the Finnish is the best, Tula is better, prewar is better, made before 43 is better. In that order.

 

[Hoppy590]

do you have any evidence to back up the claim that tula is BETTER? seriously. not busting your chops, iv just never seen anything that exclusivly says tula was better than izhevsk. it always just seems to be a matter of when it was made, and with regard to war time pressure.

 

[270Win]

From what I've read, the Tula receivers exhibit a higher level of machining and finish, across the board. Exceptions always occur, but that is (supposedly) the rule.

 

[cracked butt]

Compare either a Tula or a prewar Ishevsk rifle to a war year ishevsk rifle and the difference in quality is apparant.

 

[Hoppy590]

but what about pre-war rifles? as i said. i dont think any one arsenal is universaly superior to the other. nor do i think the aesthetics really have much effect on what rifles are better in the over all.

the qualitys that make a good collector rifle. and those that make a good war rifle are seperate standards. know what i mean. functionaly the 2 rifles could be identical while one is clearly more aestheticly pleasing.

short answers are, the Finnish is the best, Tula is better, prewar is better, made before 43 is better. In that order.

would imply that a war period Tula is better than a pre war or post war Izhevsk

read http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinTheOp.htm#Tula to see some other theorys

 

[Cosmoline]

I have had several examples of pre-war Izhevsk and Tula 91/30's and all were good. I suspect Izhevsk's bad rap comes from the fact that as the Germans rolled closer to Tula arsenal in the Moscow region, production shifted to the Izhevsk works which were located in the Urals farther behind the lines. They took over the bulk of wartime production, and as you might imagine this maxed out their machinery and men. The wartime Ishy production is characterized by crude machining, rough stock fitting and generally inferior accuracy. But considering the amazing number of rifles they churned out this isn't surprising. And it's no reflection on their ability to make excellent rifles when they had adequate time.

 

[hueytaxi]

Allow me to add my recent acquisition of a 1944 laminated stock M44, after minimal cleanup, put me on target, in the black, the first round fired at the battle setting and 50 yds. I've added a bent bolt (still have the original for historic value) because it is more comfortable for me and the sucker does make an impact on your shoulder.

 

[Hoppy590]

is it a tula ( arrow in a star stamping) or a izhevsk ( Arrow in a triangle). a 44 probibly would have lug race not cut through and maybe machined right reciever