Mosin vs. pine

[Shear_stress]

Set up an 18"x18" round of wet pine to act as a back stop. Did the job for the .500 S&W loaded with Hornady 350 gr. XTPs. Got out the cheap, old 91/30 next. Oops. Found that 7.62x54 will handily penetrate 18" of wet pine both with and across the grain.

Repeated the experiment with a like thickness of dry oak. Bullet did not penetrate.

Note that a convenient hill side was used as a "back up" back stop.

Screamingly obvious lessons (re)learned:

1.) Rifle rounds are, uh, different than pistol rounds, even ginormous pistol rounds.
2.) Soft wood is, uh, soft.
3.) Nothing beats a few million tons of earth and rock as a backstop.
4.) I like the Mosin-Nagant.

 

[RTFM]

1) Yup
2) Yes
3) Roger
4) Me also

 

[azhunter12]

Welcome to the sickness.

 

[Eric F]

Back in the day when I had mine I found the regular fmj 763x39 would punch through a steel I beam at 200 yards but wait what does that have to do with wood penatration?.......NOTHING just a fun fact

 

[NC-Mike]

I think a 308 or 30-06 will go through a ten inch diameter live oak tree.

 

[FieroCDSP]

I've fired clean through 14"-16" trees with the 7.62x39 and they later fell due to the weakening. The 54Rimmed fires a similar shaped bullet in the same caliber and heavier weight at a higher velocity. It's going to go through wood and thin metal. Use a nice dirt berm. And yes, I like Mosins also.

 

[Cosmoline]

I used my Mosin to chop down frozen trees from time to time when I lived in the sticks up north. Frozen snags that would stop a chainsaw like a rock would shatter into a million splinters when the bullet hit. If there was a bad ice damaged snag stuck with several other spruce trees I'd simply shoot at an angle down into their stumps until the whole lot came crashing down.

 

[kcw12]

I've shot through a 24 inch white oak, a 36 inch beech, and 27 inch popular. Note to self, trees dont make good backstops for mosins.

 

[retgarr]

That is neat. Although seeing the title of Mosin vs. pine, I thought there was fgoing to be a discussion about which was more sophisticated, a Mosin or a branch of pine.

 

[eatont9999]

I will keep this in mind. I knew my Mosin was a tough SOB, but to make it through a 2 foot wide oak tree....damn!!! What would an 8mm mauser do?

 

[K3]

That is neat. Although seeing the title of Mosin vs. pine, I thought there was fgoing to be a discussion about which was more sophisticated, a Mosin or a branch of pine.

I'd probably say pine.

 

[Hoppy590]

well lets look at this logically

as a firearm or weapon. the mosin wins
as firewood... dry pine wins
interms of availability... i mean, one seems to grow on trees... and the others a block of wood...

 

[FieroCDSP]

If the gun still has cosmoline on it, it's going to go up better than any firewood. Just don't cook on it.

 

[ColinthePilot]

Screamingly obvious lessons (re)learned:

1.) Rifle rounds are, uh, different than pistol rounds, even ginormous pistol rounds.
2.) Soft wood is, uh, soft.
3.) Nothing beats a few million tons of earth and rock as a backstop.
4.) I like the Mosin-Nagant.

1.) Yup
2.) Yup
3.) I gotta find some of that
4.) me too. I got a funny colored shoulder to prove it.
but since you're sorta using BoT format, you forgot

5.) Shooting stuff is fun.

 

[transformerguru]

I like the case in study.... bullets usually win especially at a good velocity out of a wonderful firearm.

 

[transformerguru]

I like the case in study.... bullets usually win especially at a good velocity out of a wonderful firearm.

 

[elmerfudd]

well lets look at this logically

as a firearm or weapon. the mosin wins
as firewood... dry pine wins
interms of availability... i mean, one seems to grow on trees... and the others a block of wood...

As firewood, I'd bet the Mosin would work pretty well too. With all that cosmoline it'd probably burn like a torch.

 

[rockinrussky]

In a seperate but somewhat related case study it was determined that the 183 grain fmj 7.62X54R will go straight through a metal beam 1 inch in circumference at 50 yards. The beam was bent backwards and partially melted.

In my immediate circle of shooters there was always the debate of 'which **** goes to the gun range and destroys a perfectly good target stand' The answer to that now is self evident

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

I just bought a Mosin-Nagant M1938. Not only can I shoot through pine, but I can set it on fire, too! Shoot one in low light, and you too shall believe.

ECS

 

[chris in va]

I can verify 54r will readily punch through 3/8" mild steel plate I bought at Home Depot. The steel didn't even deform, just a clean hole through it.

 

[RLsnow]

i needa get me a mosin! :O

for when the russians come...

 

[Franco2shoot]

So what must I shoot into in order to capture a pristine bullet?
KKKKFL

 

[offthepaper]

So what must I shoot into in order to capture a pristine bullet?
KKKKFL

Might try the Pacific.

 

[eatont9999]

Take apart a cartridge. Be careful not to fiddle with the primer. Once you extract the bullet, you have a blank round. Be careful not to heat it up too much or crush the case too small.

 

[saturno_v]

I will keep this in mind. I knew my Mosin was a tough SOB, but to make it through a 2 foot wide oak tree....damn!!! What would an 8mm mauser do?

Not much more....7,62 X 54R, 30-06 and 7,92 X 57 JS (the 8 mm Mauser) are very close performance wise...the 54R actually has the best sectional density and BC due to its particularly elongated shape in the military rounds.
furthermore, the 8 mm Mauser from the major American ammo manufacturers are loaded basically at half the real round potential, making them closer to a 30-30 round than the "real" 8 mm Mauser.


The performance described in this post demonstrate what my Russian co-worker told me about the 7,62 X 54R. In Russia, (he come originally from Siberia, the Kamchatka peninsula born in a family of hunting tradition) they use this round VERY effectively to put down Brownies and Polar Bears even in charge situations.
Over there it is considered a bit too powerful for Moose (unless you use light bullets).
I have no experience whatsoever about Alaska, but he dismisses as pure nonsense what many Alaskan experts says about the need to carry at least a 338 or even better a 375 and up for bears...
He says in Siberia they mainly use 12 gauges at close range and 54R or 8 mm Mausers for hunting/defense and they are perfectly adequate...unless you are VERY lousy at shooting, then there is no gun that protects you...

He jokingly make fun of Alaskan "toughboys"...he told me that if they want to have it tough they have to go to Siberia.....LOL


I posted this in one of my message before, he told me about, during one of his hunting trip in Siberia ,of a nasty very big charging brown bear that, unfortunately for him, had an up and close encounter with a Mosin bullet that went all the way through breaking the hump and leaving a hole bigger than a fist....to me that sounds adequate enough.....at this point how can grizzly "soak up 375 pills like candies" as mentioned in some reports??? Do we have bullet proof bears in North America??? ;-) ;-)