Mosins: Do You Like Them?

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sticky bolt syndrome

This topic has gone round and round, but bears a quickie just to pass along findings if for nothing else. \\

I stumbled on the sticky bolt when I purchased some steel cased ammo. Can't tell you what it was today, but remember the uneasy feeling when the bolt wouldn't cycle easily. I had been anal about cleaning and couldn't believe I was having trouble. In retrospect, I was using too much gun oil.

Ok so here's my take and its nothing more than opinion, like noses everyone has one. Here's what happened. My son and I were up at our favorite shooting site, and using the copper washed tin of ammo. He has a '43 Ishevsk M-44 and I was shooting my 9130. Both of us started experiencing the sticky bolt, and I was sure it was the ammo. The following week, when stiff operation continued, I reached into the back of the Jeep where our cleaning box was sitting and pulled out a tin that had a mixture that I used on my black powder 1868 Remington. Its Burts Bees wax, Olive oil and bore butter all melted down. I took a pinch between my thumb and forefinger and wiped it in my right hand. Now when I pulled out 4 or 5 rounds of 7.62 some of this slime got on the cartridge cases and low and behold the sticky bolt went away.

What I think happens with steel cases is that they are thousands thinner than brass. If you have any petro oil at all in the chamber the hot gases seep backwards and form a sticky glue that makes extraction stiff. If your bolt is sticky with any steel case or copper washed ammo, make sure you use an over sized swab to clean out any residual oil from chamber walls. Having an Italian salad before shooting and getting some olive oil on your hands might help too... heheheh

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I own 10 of them, so I guess I "like" them well enough.
To answer your questions:
How Many Mosins do you Own? 10

Which Models Do You Have? M39 Finnish, 1891 Westinghouse, 4 91/30s, 2 M-44s (one Romanian), 1 91/59, 1 M-38, 1 T-53 (Chinese)

How Much Did You Pay for Your Mosins? 325 for the Finnish, between 35 (for the Chinese) and 150 each for everything else.

Do You Want More Mosins? Yes, but I am interested in the Finnish ones only at this point.

Do You Hunt with Your Mosins? Not yet.

Go post some pictures...please.
 
I'll play

How Many: 2 and counting

Which models: 1938 Tula 91/30, de-bubba'd Type 53

How much: $200 total for both

Do you hunt with them: Took my first deer with the 91/30

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I like Mosins a lot, but don't own one now--nor any rifle yet. But I can easily see making one my second or third rifle. 7.62x54r (that's the caliber, right?) isn't exactly something you can find at Wal Mart.
 
well the guns can be ordered off of the internet, so ask one of these guys here, becaue I wont buy anything but ammo off of the internet. And ammo can be purchased off of the internet too. Cheaperthandirt.com has some nice bulgarian ammo, 440 rounds for like 70 bucks I think.
 
Mosins: Do You Like Them
No, but they are interesting at least.

I currently have:

M38
Romanian M44
A couple of wartime Ishevsks 91/30s
A prewar Ishevsk 91/30
A Finn captured Tula

Out of the bunch, the only one that hasn't severely disappointed me as far as accuracy goes is the prewar Ishevsk.

Iwon't be buying any more mosins unless they are from Finland, and for the price, I'd rather have something Swedish made.
 
Have 1, a 1954 vintage Romanian M-44.

it likes the Czech Silvertip and Albanian ammo the best.

I call it my Soviet FlashyLoudenBoomer...actually made a guy shooting a .300WinMag leave the range one day...said MY gun was TOO *** LOUD!
 
I have a couple. Shot one of them once. Can't say I like them. They were cheap, though. Can't resist cheap.:)
 
People are always talking about the recoil and report of the MN carbines. Are they really more noteworthy than the recoil of similar rounds? I've never fired a .308 or .30-06, so I don't really know how they compare in terms of recoil.

Does firing my M44 give me genuine centerfire credentials, or am I still missing out on the full experience of, say, a .30-06? :)
 
I also have 6 not counting the revolver

I think the Mosin rifles are the most crudely made but most excellent shooting rifles ever made for the price. :uhoh:

I have two full size Mosin 91/30s. I have two Mosin M-38 carbines and two Mosin M-44 carbines. :p

I paid about $100 each for the 91/30s, around $60 each for the M-38s and around $70 each for the M-44s. It's been a while since I bought them so I think the price may have gone up on them. :scrutiny:

I also have one of the Mosin Nagant Revolvers. It looks nice but it's a piece of crap as far as power and accuracy. I'd call it a fair belly gun but not much else. I paid about $50 for it. I just wanted one to have in my collection. :cuss:

As far as the rifles and carbines go, they are all great shooters out to 100-150 yards. They are definitely not tack drivers but I can usually get a 3" group out of any one of them at 100 yards. :what:

Like I said they are crude and most folks find them ugly but I like them and you can't beat them for the price and surplus ammo is still readily available and fairly cheap too. The only downside is the ammo is corrosive but if you know how to clean the chamber and barrel for corrosive ammo and do it as soon as you finish shooting, it doesn't hurt anymore than good ammo does in my opinion. :eek:

I am not where I can upload pictures right now. I think I bought one of the rifles from Century and one of the carbines from J&G. The rest came from gunshows. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe,
Joe
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Halo, your baptised compared to a M44 a 30/6 or 308 won't be a problem.

I am a Mosin Nagant fan i got the bug i have two M44s a 1945 with Mojo sight and a 1948 scout, two 91/30s both 1943s one is a scout with a HC trigger the other has a ATI mount with a 12 X scope, 1943 M38, 1941 Finn M39, M28 Finn, both Finns are tack drivers, and Wz48 Polish trainer.

Mike
 
How Many Mosins do you Own?
A few

Which Models Do You Have?
M44, M38, M39, M91/30, M91/59, M91, Type 53

How Much Did You Pay for Your Mosins?
Depends on which one we are talking about.. Cheapest $35. Most expensive $200

Do You Want More Mosins?
Sure

Do You Hunt with Your Mosins?
Only if you count paper animals.


Some of them shoot better than others. I have 5 or 6 I will never part with, the others.... Well ya never know.

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Tikka M91 1942, Izhevsk M91 1915 , New England Westinghouse M91 1915, VKT M91 1940
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1946 Izhevsk M44
1953 Hungarian M44
1954-6 T-53
1943 Izhevsk M44
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1942 M38 Izhevsk
1943 M91/59 Izhevsk
1943 M91/59 Izhevsk
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1927 Izhevsk
1936 Tula Finn Capture Hex Reciever
1940 Tula Finn Capture
1939 Tula
1942 Tula
1938 Tula
1937 Izhevsk
1943 Izhevsk ex-sniper (PU)
1926 Tula
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Hi. I'm ThreeJs, and I am a Mosiholic.
 
FunderB I use any cheap surplus ammo I can get

Thanks for the tip on Mosin not having anything to do with the Nagant revolver. I learn something new everytime I come to "The High Road". As for ammo, I usually buy any old cheap surplus ammo I can find. The modern ammo for this revolver is very expensive. :(

I have also found out that you can safely :confused: (although not very accurately) shoot .32 S&W Long out of this gun. I don't recommend it since it is not the proper ammo for the gun. If anyone tries it, don't blame me for any mishaps. Some old guy at the range was shooting his with this ammo (.32 S&W Long) one day so after looking at the pressure of .32 S&W long compared to Nagant ammo I was pretty sure it would not blow the gun up in my hand. :confused: It does split the brass cases when you use this ammo. My gun is an original Nagant, not one of the ones converted to .32ACP.

Anyway, the .32 S&W stuff won't even hit a 2'x2' piece of cardboard at 10 yards. I've bought the proper surplus Nagant ammo from SOG and at gun shows. It usually comes wrapped in green wax paper with string tied around it. I'm told it is Polish surplus. I can't read the writing and don't recognize the language on the label. I'm pretty sure it's not Russian. I think their are 30 or 40 rounds to a package. I can hit an 8" target at 10 yards every shot but that's about it.

I've never paid for any of the modern Nagant ammo because it costs almost $1.00 a round everywhere I've seen it. I'm thinking the gun would do better with good ammo. I really just bought it for a collectors piece. I have plenty of handguns to shoot and I tend to do better with the larger caliber guns. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe,
Joe
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Jokingly I asked my wife if I could lay in bed with my 91/30 while we watched that movie and during a popcorn break I replaced the desiccant in my safe and ended up working the 91/30's bolt a few times. Anyways, she heard it cycle up stairs and when she came down she gave me a weird stare.:D

I wonder what she'll think now that the 91/30 has a friend and since it is spring time...:rolleyes:
 
People are always talking about the recoil and report of the MN carbines. Are they really more noteworthy than the recoil of similar rounds? I've never fired a .308 or .30-06, so I don't really know how they compare in terms of recoil.

No.

Nothing particularly dental-filling rattling about them. They have this reputation on the internet, but it is without any basis in fact... I've seen very novice shooters handle them with no problem, many of small and feminine size.

The one surplus rifle I have come by that most new shooters don't want much of is the lighter variants of the Mauser 98, especially with heavier loads...

That said, 7.62X54R is a good cartridge that will do everything .30-06 will, within reason. It's somewhere between .308 and .30-06, and has a little more leeway with heavier bullets than the .308, in my experience.
 
One.

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Tripped across this Finnish Captured 1941 VKT M39 at a gunshow in Pasadena, TX some years ago for $79

Have only shot it once and not for quite a while (at least 4 years) but as I recall it kicked like mule and punched holes in targets.

I love it for the history. I could PROBABLY make the wood look better but am rather lazy about such things.

I'd dearly LOVE to find one of those .22 models!!!
 
Do I like 'em? Yes. Does my shoulder like it? Not so much.
I only own one and it only cost $80 at a gun show about a year ago. I know its an Izhvesk but there is no year marking on the top of the receiver. I haven't found the marking for it anywhere else either, but I guess it makes it a unique item. Like my dog Ringo, I adopted it and learned to love it for all its imperfections.
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I dont just like them......I LOVE them.
When I first bought my M44 it was for plinking and fun time at the range.
Then I had that ati bolt/scopemount installed and I found out that M44 was capable of 25mm grouping to 100meters. After that my M44 has been my most used / loved range gun.
Any day now it will get a new stock that I ordered from midway. Im planning taking my m44 to the gunsmith and have a silencer / suppressor installed just to tame that wild kicker a little.
 
all matching numbers, almost moa capable, with about 5 moving parts, and another 5 total. can drop it on someone and kill them, kicks like a mule.
m38. whats not to like for a 100 dollar, unfired, unissued rifle?
 
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