243winxb
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A nice baseball bat will do.
Mossberg .410 for elderly home defense?
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Certaindeaf
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Or a couple chainsaws. lolA nice baseball bat will do.
dprice3844444
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a nice 20 gauge pump
plumberroy
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That federal 410 handgun #000 buck is wicked stuff out of a shotgun all 4 pellets hit a possom at 30-35 yards he was headed west, pellets entered east side and exited the west side (texas heart shot)including one out the forehead. egg stealin' ba$#@rd
biggest possom I had seen in years
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biggest possom I had seen in years
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rodinal220
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I've seen what 00 buck from a .410 (my reloads) will do to a coyote. I assure that at normal in home distances, a .410 with 00 or 000 buck will more than suffice.
In addition, the newer Mossberg .410's (like the one shown earlier with the vertical foregrip) have dual action bars. Some folks could bind up the older single action bar ones if they were adrenalin filled (happens in hunting as well as home defense), but twisting as them pulled back on the foreend. I doubt it happened often, but dual bars are better than single any way you look at it.
In addition, since it's a home defense firearm, I'd mount a laser sight on it. Forget any intimidation value, the laser makes it much easier to hit the target. Red dot on torso, pull trigger. Takes longer to type it than do it.
In addition, the newer Mossberg .410's (like the one shown earlier with the vertical foregrip) have dual action bars. Some folks could bind up the older single action bar ones if they were adrenalin filled (happens in hunting as well as home defense), but twisting as them pulled back on the foreend. I doubt it happened often, but dual bars are better than single any way you look at it.
In addition, since it's a home defense firearm, I'd mount a laser sight on it. Forget any intimidation value, the laser makes it much easier to hit the target. Red dot on torso, pull trigger. Takes longer to type it than do it.
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In the hands of an experience user a 410 shotgun would be great. I do not believe pumping the gun scares anyone and may even warn the bad guy to pull his own gun. I personally believe with no or little practise a point and pull double action revolver is the best. A 32 or 38 is effective with little recoil. Used can be found inexpensive. I strongly suggest anyone new to firearms take a course in firearm safety or at least be shown by an experienced friend..The the 410 Judge Revolver would work too but is more expensive..
In the hands of an experience user a 410 shotgun would be great. I do not believe pumping the gun scares anyone and may even warn the bad guy to pull his own gun. I personally believe with no or little practise a point and pull double action revolver is the best. A 32 or 38 is effective with little recoil. Used can be found inexpensive. I strongly suggest anyone new to firearms take a course in firearm safety or at least be shown by an experienced friend..The the 410 Judge Revolver would work too but is more expensive..
For those few that doubt the .410 ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1wM...DvjVQa1PpcFO2U3bdRezjvJ0TI-vL6eRsXHbUzWi5D10=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1wM...DvjVQa1PpcFO2U3bdRezjvJ0TI-vL6eRsXHbUzWi5D10=
The .410 may be the perfect tool for that fellow .
Recoil is not a problem with a .410 , and it is a lot more quiet than larger rounds as well .
Forget about scaring someone with the sound of the action , your only setting yourself up for a big surprise .
The whole idea is to keep surprises reserved for the bad guy .
Buckshot for the .410 will penetrate just as deep as Buck from a .12 , don't underestimate it .
For inside an apartment , the magazine could be loaded with two or three rounds of Buckshot , followed by #4 shot .
This is assuming a Mossberg pump , as they have the five rd . magazine ( 2.5 inch ) .
This way if #4 shot does not do the trick , buck is readily available , but in all reality would seldom be needed .
I say this because Buckshot will completely penetrate the bad guy , and possibly , still penetrate walls .
Recoil is not a problem with a .410 , and it is a lot more quiet than larger rounds as well .
Forget about scaring someone with the sound of the action , your only setting yourself up for a big surprise .
The whole idea is to keep surprises reserved for the bad guy .
Buckshot for the .410 will penetrate just as deep as Buck from a .12 , don't underestimate it .
For inside an apartment , the magazine could be loaded with two or three rounds of Buckshot , followed by #4 shot .
This is assuming a Mossberg pump , as they have the five rd . magazine ( 2.5 inch ) .
This way if #4 shot does not do the trick , buck is readily available , but in all reality would seldom be needed .
I say this because Buckshot will completely penetrate the bad guy , and possibly , still penetrate walls .
You have the right idea about the #4 shot just make sure that said #4 ends with the word "Buck" and you should be fine.
(The round in the chamber is Federal 3-inch #4 Buck,the rest are 2-1/2 inch federal '000' copper coated in groups of 4 pellets)
(The round in the chamber is Federal 3-inch #4 Buck,the rest are 2-1/2 inch federal '000' copper coated in groups of 4 pellets)
Your post prompted me to look into this , #4 buck .
With these rounds , this is all one needs , for inside an apartment .
This would be better , for those , that are "not into guns" .
As they would not get their ammo mixed up .
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/440699/federal-premium-personal-defense-ammunition-410-bore-3-4-buckshot-9-pellets-box-of-20
With these rounds , this is all one needs , for inside an apartment .
This would be better , for those , that are "not into guns" .
As they would not get their ammo mixed up .
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/440699/federal-premium-personal-defense-ammunition-410-bore-3-4-buckshot-9-pellets-box-of-20
Apple a Day
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I've tested .410 shot and slugs versus a few different calibers of handguns against cataloges. I won't claim the tests were overly scientific but they were consistent. The 000 buckshot ran about what I expected against soft 9x19 rounds or hot, heavy .38SPL. The slugs turned 'em into mulch; way beyond anything the handguns did. PDX-1 rounds performed like 00 (the pellets much less).
I'd think a .357 magnum out of a long barrel would have a little more oomph than buckshot or even a 100-grain slug. At cross-the-room distance the shot won't have time to spread much so either way you're going to make a mell of a hess.
A .410 gives you the option of buckshot or slugs which is another +
Sometimes I really wish you could attach a stock to a pistol without having to pay all the extra $ and do all the paperwork.
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theicemanmpls
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+1 on this.
However a few enhancements.
First layer, exterior lights activated by motion detectors. Scares away the amateurs. A drive way ding dong is good idea.
Second layer enhancement; magnetic contacts on all windows, doors, and or glass breaks shock detectors, another motion detector, and a curtain type detector wired to sound an alert when large mammals are near the exterior perimeter. when people are home, or away, depending. I prefer to use exterior curtain only when the alarm is in the stay mode vs away mode. Utility worker, or passing animal have set mine off.
Two way video intercom. That way the senior person don't have to deactivate the perimeter curtain and give interior home access to strangers.
Third layer; The FOB panic button has its limitations. My wife wanted one. Most folks leave them in the location they keep their house keys. I prefer panic buttons in at least three locations. Make sure the panic, and alarm alert not only trips a siren, but sends two signals to a Central monitor, one via phone, one via radio or cell. Go ahead cut my phone line. A strobe light is an option.
Bad guys hate attention.
Forth layer; (optional) A dog to sound the alarm. I prefer dogs that bark, and don't bite. To much liability there. In addition, the a dog requires maintenance. Can't leave them alone for months, like you can with a monitored alarm. Dogs are a more of a nuisance then a blessing to senior people.
Fifth layer; Pepper spray. I don't know if this is a great idea, as many senior people have respiratory issues. I could include wasp spray, but to avoid an on line pissing contest, I won't.
Sixth layer (SHTF); A firearm. A hammerless double barrel coach gun in 20ga loaded with at least #4's. Tang safety.
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NCsmitty
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That boys and girls is the key to the thread. You are likely not going to be able to teach a complete novice to safely handle any firearm to the point that you could feel confident that the gentleman wouldn't hurt himself or someone else, unless he is an exceptional person.
I wholeheartedly support the use of defensive spray and a security system as have been mentioned. It just makes more sense to avoid a possible bad outcome involving an older novice gun owner.
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