Most accurate .40 and .45?
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natedog
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All the major .40 brands (Glock, Beretta, Sig, Wahlter, HK, Ruger etc) will give you "combat accuracy" (3" groups at 25 yards). All hold the about the same amount of ammo (with pre-ban magazines, usually 12-15). All are reliable and have good reps. Some have different actions (SA/DA, striker fired, etc). Most cost around $500 new. The most important thing is: Does this pistol fit you? Rent all of them if you can and try them out first. .45...well that's more difficult and I'll leave that for a guru to answer.
Ala Dan
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"Combat Accuracy"?
Um? Guess I'd have to say that the .45 caliber
SIG-SAUER P220A would be amongest them.
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Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Um? Guess I'd have to say that the .45 caliber
SIG-SAUER P220A would be amongest them.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
bountyhunter
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SIG's are known for excellent accuracy out of the box. Overall, the 1911 is probably the best candidate as they typically will shoot 2" groups new and are very easy to accurize because there is so much aftermarket stuff available and gunsmiths have been doing it for close to a century. I have two .40SW 1911's that are both tack drivers. One is a factory gun and one is a hand made.
Harold A
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Timmerk,
I noticedd you are new to handguns. I would not get caught up in what is the most accurate or handguns. In my opinion most any quality handgun made today is combat accurate. I consider that to mean that I can hit COM at 25 yrs consistently.
Now stating that, my most accurate handgun was a customized Colt 1911. It would do under 2" groups at 25 yards. However, I would not use it as a carry pistol or SD pistol. In my opinion if it can't go 500 rounds with out a FTF it is not worthy.
So basically I would not put to much emphasis on accuracy. The Walther is a fine pistol and is plenty accurate I would not hesitate a bit to get it.
I noticedd you are new to handguns. I would not get caught up in what is the most accurate or handguns. In my opinion most any quality handgun made today is combat accurate. I consider that to mean that I can hit COM at 25 yrs consistently.
Now stating that, my most accurate handgun was a customized Colt 1911. It would do under 2" groups at 25 yards. However, I would not use it as a carry pistol or SD pistol. In my opinion if it can't go 500 rounds with out a FTF it is not worthy.
So basically I would not put to much emphasis on accuracy. The Walther is a fine pistol and is plenty accurate I would not hesitate a bit to get it.
DMK
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CZ-97
A very accurate, 45ACP.
A very accurate, 45ACP.
Gunslinger45
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One of the most accurate out of the box .45ACP's is the fine line of Kimber 1911's. Stay with the full sized frame guns unless you have a small hand.
Sean Smith
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When people say "combat accuracy" they often mean "enough accuracy for people who don't practice enough to tell the difference."
10-Ring
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For accuracy, it's really tough to beat a well tuned 1911, but for out of box I'd go w/ an HK USP 45
The most accurate
45 will be a 1911. Not all 1911s are configured to be very, very accurate, but most manufacturers of mid to high-end guns produce 1911s will shoot 1.5 to 2 inch groups at 25yds. Almost any gun with a 5" barrel produced by Kimber, SA, Wilson, ParaOrd, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, STI, Rock River etc. will shoot better groups than a Walther, H & K, S & W or Glock. OUT OF THE BOX.
45 will be a 1911. Not all 1911s are configured to be very, very accurate, but most manufacturers of mid to high-end guns produce 1911s will shoot 1.5 to 2 inch groups at 25yds. Almost any gun with a 5" barrel produced by Kimber, SA, Wilson, ParaOrd, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, STI, Rock River etc. will shoot better groups than a Walther, H & K, S & W or Glock. OUT OF THE BOX.
mr. e
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My Walther P99 in 40 auto is not the most accurate gun I shoot. It is, however, easy to draw and shoot well and accurate enough to be my CCW.
I don't particularly like the 40 auto as a slow fire target round, it's harsh recoil makes it unpleasant to shoot. I agree with the others that both my SIG 220 and Kimber are more accurate guns, but they're too big to carry.
I don't particularly like the 40 auto as a slow fire target round, it's harsh recoil makes it unpleasant to shoot. I agree with the others that both my SIG 220 and Kimber are more accurate guns, but they're too big to carry.
duckfoot
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Rent a many of the ones listed here as you can and make up your own mind!
If not?
HK USP 45
If not?
HK USP 45
caz223
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Don't think of it like this gun will be a 2" gun, this gun over here is a 1 1/2" gun, and so forth.
Beg, borrow, buy, rent, or otherwise procure as many guns as you can, and buy the one that you can shoot most accurately.
Until you get a lot of trigger time, find a load that your gun likes, and practice all sorts of different scenarios, one gun will almost be as accurate as another. If you find a gun that you can shoot accurately, and it's a good reliable gun, that's half the battle, right there.
Then you can start load testing, and dial it in, and see what it's capable of, once you know what you are capable of.
Beg, borrow, buy, rent, or otherwise procure as many guns as you can, and buy the one that you can shoot most accurately.
Until you get a lot of trigger time, find a load that your gun likes, and practice all sorts of different scenarios, one gun will almost be as accurate as another. If you find a gun that you can shoot accurately, and it's a good reliable gun, that's half the battle, right there.
Then you can start load testing, and dial it in, and see what it's capable of, once you know what you are capable of.
mr. e
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I agree with caz223 on accuracy. I handload most of my ammo, and each gun I own is most accurate with its own tuned load, none of which is a commercial out of the box load. (The only exception to this it 357 SIG, 125 gr., Speer Gold Dot Hollowpoints in my SIG 229. The accuracy with that combo is truly amazing.)
Anyway, if you're looking for a 5 shot, 2" hole at 15 yds. target pistol, prepare to invest some time and money in ammo, or even your own reloading equipment. If you're just looking at putting 5 rounds in an 8" circle representing center of mass (a good enough definition of combat accuracy), the Walther will be just fine.
Anyway, if you're looking for a 5 shot, 2" hole at 15 yds. target pistol, prepare to invest some time and money in ammo, or even your own reloading equipment. If you're just looking at putting 5 rounds in an 8" circle representing center of mass (a good enough definition of combat accuracy), the Walther will be just fine.
I remember when the Ruger p90 came out.....Wiley Clapp of Guns & Ammo did a article on it.
He was at the Arizona Ruger Plant and randomly picked out a p90 off a rack of finished P90s.They took it off to the test range and placed it in a ransom rest and test fired it.
The accuracy was impressive. It cut practically one ragged hole at 25yds. All p90s may not shoot quite that good but I was impressed with that one.That is one of the reasons I bought the P90, plus it is a very quality poor man's 45.
He was at the Arizona Ruger Plant and randomly picked out a p90 off a rack of finished P90s.They took it off to the test range and placed it in a ransom rest and test fired it.
The accuracy was impressive. It cut practically one ragged hole at 25yds. All p90s may not shoot quite that good but I was impressed with that one.That is one of the reasons I bought the P90, plus it is a very quality poor man's 45.
Agree with the general tone of things that the mechanical accuracy difference in service or self defense handguns is virtually insignificant compared to a guns fit and your personal preference regarding trigger pull.
Just got a Beretta 92FS, oddly a lighter hammer spring increased accuracy more than any Bar-Sto bbl or slide work would have ever accomplished (lighter trigger pull).
One other thing to remember is that a gun may be a 2", 4" or 6+" shooter at 25 yards just by using different loads....
Just got a Beretta 92FS, oddly a lighter hammer spring increased accuracy more than any Bar-Sto bbl or slide work would have ever accomplished (lighter trigger pull)
.One other thing to remember is that a gun may be a 2", 4" or 6+" shooter at 25 yards just by using different loads....
rayra
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Thirding caz223's remarks. Until you shoot for a few years / a few thousand rounds, doesn't matter which handgun you use. Until you are consistently putting them all within the 8-ring, doesn't matter.
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