Working Man
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Texas is good.... Perry did away with the whole travel thing so if you can buy
and own you can travel with and have no worries. No Bar carry or Sporting
events but they are looking at Collage carry.
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Texas is good.... Perry did away with the whole travel thing so if you can buy
and own you can travel with and have no worries. No Bar carry or Sporting
events but they are looking at Collage carry.
ambergerftriley
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The only thing that really sucks about NM is you can't OC into any place that even sells alcohol for consumption off the premises. This puts off-limits pretty much every crocery store and convenience store in the state. Also, violating it is a felony, not a misdemeanor.
to bickle: id heard that and i think its a little absurd, because we also had a person get away with brandishing a weapon, but they arrested her for having it in a place that sold alchohol.
to bickle: id heard that and i think its a little absurd, because we also had a person get away with brandishing a weapon, but they arrested her for having it in a place that sold alchohol.
Flintknapper
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Working Man wrote:
We did FINALLY get the old "traveling clause" ironed out. It is now known as the Motorist Protection Act.
Code 46.02. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01815F.pdf
No "professional events" period (or school sponsored events).
Bars/Restaurants/etc...must derive 51% or more of their income from "on premise" sales and the establisment must be clearly "posted" to be off limits.
On Monday, April 27, the Senate State Affairs Committee will consider Senate Bill 1164, NRA-backed legislation that would enable Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on college campuses.
We will have to see if this passes or dies in the House of Calenders.
No, Texas is clearly NOT one of the most gun friendly states. We are actually fighting tooth and nail to regain certain rights.
I would have to vote for Alaska then Utah (in that order).
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/index.php
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We did FINALLY get the old "traveling clause" ironed out. It is now known as the Motorist Protection Act.
Code 46.02. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01815F.pdf
No "professional events" period (or school sponsored events).
Bars/Restaurants/etc...must derive 51% or more of their income from "on premise" sales and the establisment must be clearly "posted" to be off limits.
On Monday, April 27, the Senate State Affairs Committee will consider Senate Bill 1164, NRA-backed legislation that would enable Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on college campuses.
We will have to see if this passes or dies in the House of Calenders.
No, Texas is clearly NOT one of the most gun friendly states. We are actually fighting tooth and nail to regain certain rights.
I would have to vote for Alaska then Utah (in that order).
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/index.php
Washington you cannot own silencers or fully auto weapons.. Oregon you can. Washington also has several extremely liberal counties, and regardless of whatever stand your ground law you think will be in your favor, you may find being at the mercy of the ultra left pink commy liberal types really bad if you are forced to defend your life. Rural Oregon and Eastern Washington are more conservative and I have not heard of many cases in Oregon where peopld did any time in the slammer for defending their house. You're better off defending your home in the more conservative Washington country in Oregon than the liberal King county in Washington.
As far open carry and CCW.. The most beautiful forests in Washington are off limits to CCW or open carry because of the draconian laws enforced by the libearl government which bans people from carrying in state parks. I heard that it was resolved on the federal level that people would be allowed to carry in the state parks, but the local government knocked it down and upheld the ban, going against our constitutional rights. So, if you go to Mt Rainier or Olympic coast, be prepared to carry a very big knife and pepper spray for self defense. You can carry a firearm in almost of Oregon's most prestigious forests, whether it be columbia gorge, Mt Hood, Mr Jefferson, Oregon coast, etc.. I guess Crater Lake is out for CCW, dang.
Did I mention the pink commie mayor of Seattle has been pushing for an outright ban of guns in Seattle? Not just Seattle but he ha been trying to influence his friends in other cities in WA as well. If Seattle becomes the first gun-free city in the USA, I will be moving out of here, since I know this rule will come to haunt the rest of the state.
kentucky bucky
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Kentucky!!!!
pith43
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Denver and Boulder are not very gun friendly, but the rest of the state is still pretty decent. I'm not sure how long that will last though.
mljdeckard
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The main weakness of Utah is Salt Lake City. Liberals cling to it as the only executive office they can hold consistently, so they gravitate to it. The last mayor of SLC had a policy of not tolerating open carry in SLC, despite it being legal, and the state having pre-emption, if you OC in SLC, plan on getting harassed by the police.
Megistopoda
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This is where we make Brady work for us ... they've ranked states based on their gun-rights restrictiveness.
Kentucky, Louisiana, and Oklahoma are tied for last place ... which means they have very liberal gun laws.
Here are the criteria by which they rank. Far below are the state rankings. Basically, it's an average of how restrictive states are with gun laws ... California is on top, followed by New Jersey.
The categories covered by the 2008 scorecards are as follows:
States can earn up to 35 points by taking all measures needed to “Curb Firearm Trafficking.” States can fully regulate the gun dealers within their borders, limit bulk purchases of handguns, provide police certain technology to identify crime guns, and require lost or stolen guns to be reported to the police.
States can earn up to 25 points by “Strengthening Brady Background Checks.” This involves requiring background checks on all gun sales and requiring a permit in order to purchase firearms. Short of universal background checks, states can also close the gun show loophole, at least requiring background checks for all gun show sales.
States can earn up to 20 points by “Protecting Child Safety” when it comes to guns. States can require that only childproof handguns be sold within their borders, require child safety locks to be sold with each handgun, hold adults accountable for keeping guns away from kids and teens, and require handgun purchasers to be at least 21 years of age.
States can earn up to 10 points by “Banning Military-style Assault Weapons,” as well as banning high-capacity ammunition magazines.
States can earn up to 10 points by making it harder to carry “Guns In Public Places” (except for trained law enforcement and security) and by allowing localities to “Preserve Local Control” over municipal gun laws. This includes keeping guns out of workplaces and college campuses, not forcing law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits on demand, not permitting “shoot first” expansions in self-defense laws, and not preventing municipalities from passing their own gun laws.
Brady Rankings:
1 CALIFORNIA 79
2 NEW JERSEY 63
T-3 CONNECTICUT 54
T-3 MASSACHUSETTS 54
5 MARYLAND 53
6 NEW YORK 51
7 RHODE ISLAND 47
8 HAWAII 43
9 ILLINOIS 28
10 PENNSYLVANIA 26
T-11 DELAWARE 22
T-11 MICHIGAN 22
13 NORTH CAROLINA 20
T-14 OREGON 18
T-14 VIRGINIA 18
T-14 WASHINGTON 18
T-17 COLORADO 16
T-17 IOWA 16
19 ALABAMA 15
20 OHIO 13
T-21 MAINE 12
T-21 WISCONSIN 12
T-23 MINNESOTA 11
T-23 NEVADA 11
T-23 NEW HAMPSHIRE 11
26 NEBRASKA 10
T-27 SOUTH CAROLINA 9
T-27 TEXAS 9
T-27 VERMONT 9
T-27 WYOMING 9
T-31 INDIANA 8
T-31 MONTANA 8
T-33 GEORGIA 7
T-33 KANSAS 7
T-33 TENNESSEE 7
T-36 ARIZONA 6
T-36 ARKANSAS 6
T-36 FLORIDA 6
T-36 IDAHO 6
T-36 NEW MEXICO 6
T-36 SOUTH DAKOTA 6
42 MISSISSIPPI 5
T-43 ALASKA 4
T-43 MISSOURI 4
T-43 NORTH DAKOTA 4
T-43 UTAH 4
T-43 WEST VIRGINIA 4
T-48 KENTUCKY 2
T-48 LOUISIANA 2
T-48 OKLAHOMA 2
Kentucky, Louisiana, and Oklahoma are tied for last place ... which means they have very liberal gun laws.
Here are the criteria by which they rank. Far below are the state rankings. Basically, it's an average of how restrictive states are with gun laws ... California is on top, followed by New Jersey.
The categories covered by the 2008 scorecards are as follows:
States can earn up to 35 points by taking all measures needed to “Curb Firearm Trafficking.” States can fully regulate the gun dealers within their borders, limit bulk purchases of handguns, provide police certain technology to identify crime guns, and require lost or stolen guns to be reported to the police.
States can earn up to 25 points by “Strengthening Brady Background Checks.” This involves requiring background checks on all gun sales and requiring a permit in order to purchase firearms. Short of universal background checks, states can also close the gun show loophole, at least requiring background checks for all gun show sales.
States can earn up to 20 points by “Protecting Child Safety” when it comes to guns. States can require that only childproof handguns be sold within their borders, require child safety locks to be sold with each handgun, hold adults accountable for keeping guns away from kids and teens, and require handgun purchasers to be at least 21 years of age.
States can earn up to 10 points by “Banning Military-style Assault Weapons,” as well as banning high-capacity ammunition magazines.
States can earn up to 10 points by making it harder to carry “Guns In Public Places” (except for trained law enforcement and security) and by allowing localities to “Preserve Local Control” over municipal gun laws. This includes keeping guns out of workplaces and college campuses, not forcing law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits on demand, not permitting “shoot first” expansions in self-defense laws, and not preventing municipalities from passing their own gun laws.
Brady Rankings:
1 CALIFORNIA 79
2 NEW JERSEY 63
T-3 CONNECTICUT 54
T-3 MASSACHUSETTS 54
5 MARYLAND 53
6 NEW YORK 51
7 RHODE ISLAND 47
8 HAWAII 43
9 ILLINOIS 28
10 PENNSYLVANIA 26
T-11 DELAWARE 22
T-11 MICHIGAN 22
13 NORTH CAROLINA 20
T-14 OREGON 18
T-14 VIRGINIA 18
T-14 WASHINGTON 18
T-17 COLORADO 16
T-17 IOWA 16
19 ALABAMA 15
20 OHIO 13
T-21 MAINE 12
T-21 WISCONSIN 12
T-23 MINNESOTA 11
T-23 NEVADA 11
T-23 NEW HAMPSHIRE 11
26 NEBRASKA 10
T-27 SOUTH CAROLINA 9
T-27 TEXAS 9
T-27 VERMONT 9
T-27 WYOMING 9
T-31 INDIANA 8
T-31 MONTANA 8
T-33 GEORGIA 7
T-33 KANSAS 7
T-33 TENNESSEE 7
T-36 ARIZONA 6
T-36 ARKANSAS 6
T-36 FLORIDA 6
T-36 IDAHO 6
T-36 NEW MEXICO 6
T-36 SOUTH DAKOTA 6
42 MISSISSIPPI 5
T-43 ALASKA 4
T-43 MISSOURI 4
T-43 NORTH DAKOTA 4
T-43 UTAH 4
T-43 WEST VIRGINIA 4
T-48 KENTUCKY 2
T-48 LOUISIANA 2
T-48 OKLAHOMA 2
mljdeckard
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And since Utah just passed carry in car without a permit and carry in vehicle in workplace, as well as blocking the nomination of an anti judge because of his views, I'm looking forward to a bump this year. 
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Rellian: Hello Rellian, I wasn't bad mouthing Utah but said you needed a permit to carry in the open vrs Wyoming where you need no such permit. I guess when it comes to my way of thinking, carrying in the open is carrying a loaded weapon. I wouldn't carry it any other way. I carry my .45 auto cocked and locked or with five in my cylinder for my revolver. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you but you are basicly saying the same thing I said. The only thing I didn't talk about is carrying open unloaded because I don't know anyone who carry's that way. Take care.
CoRoMo
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I don't think Colorado completely qualifies since the shall issue stance might fall under the political fad description. We'll see.
Also, the Make My Day Law isn't true castle doctrine IMHO.
I'd say the Dakotas are surely in this race FWIH.
Also, the Make My Day Law isn't true castle doctrine IMHO.
I'd say the Dakotas are surely in this race FWIH.
Umm, you are wrong on several points here.
1. You can own suppressors/silencers
2. Stand Your Ground is better than Castle Doctrine as you don't have a duty to retreat anywhere where you are legally able to carry a firearm. Our State Constitution is very strong in regards to defending yourself, and it does mention it as an Individual Right explicitly. Our caselaw, as well as Common Law is implicit on self defense, and protection of property. We don't need no stinkin Castle Doctrine......
3. Yes, there are National Parks here in WA State, but up until the brady bunch sued and got a preliminary injunction we were able to CCW in Nat Parks. Further, I believe it will be overturned on appeal by the NRA, and or the DOI/NPS will conduct the Environmental Impact Study, and we will be able to CCW in Nat Parks once again. Furthermore, the Nat Parks are only a fraction of the land that encompasses this state.
4. There is NO BAN on carrying in State Parks, City Parks, County Parks, National Forests, Gov offices, we have State Preemption.
5. Mayor McCheese is all talk, and he can't do what he wants as that would put him in direct conflict with state law, again a violation of the state preemption law, and violations of his oath of office. He only wants to make himself look good to the liberal sheep. He has no authority, and in fact it upset quite a few legislators. And citizens. He can be sued, and he don't want that!
6. As far as machine guns, well it was already declared an Unconstitutional Law in one county, and the prosecutor didn't want to challenge it further to an appeals court as he didn't want it to be declared Unconstitutional at the state level.
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largecaliber,
No offense taken. Sorry if I came across too strong. I do agree with you about carrying loaded being superior. I was trying (a bit exuberantly I will admit) to point out it is legally possible, depending on what one considers loaded.
Utah has some interesting definitions. Loaded is a technical term very strictly defined by the legislature, but in many regards in favor of the carrier. For example, if I loaded up my 1911 and put one in the chamber with the hammer down, it is by definition unloaded because I would have to 1) draw and 2) cock. If I had a six shot .357 revolver that was single action and loaded up the wheel it would be unloaded; however, if it were double action it would be loaded. A minor difference, but it lets me go from 'unloaded' to light-em-up in less than two seconds. And as was pointed out just a few posts earlier... things don't look too likely to change around here
No offense taken. Sorry if I came across too strong. I do agree with you about carrying loaded being superior. I was trying (a bit exuberantly I will admit) to point out it is legally possible, depending on what one considers loaded.
Utah has some interesting definitions. Loaded is a technical term very strictly defined by the legislature, but in many regards in favor of the carrier. For example, if I loaded up my 1911 and put one in the chamber with the hammer down, it is by definition unloaded because I would have to 1) draw and 2) cock. If I had a six shot .357 revolver that was single action and loaded up the wheel it would be unloaded; however, if it were double action it would be loaded. A minor difference, but it lets me go from 'unloaded' to light-em-up in less than two seconds. And as was pointed out just a few posts earlier... things don't look too likely to change around here
BamaBob
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What about Bama
I noticed Alabama was at 19 on the list why so? does any one know or can they direct me to site that will tell me. I was wondering because i got pulled over the other day and had my pistol in the console and a shotgun or two in the back. The LEO noticed some ammo and started asking questions. Fortunatly he never asked about a pistol only the longguns. When I got home noticed my CC liscence was expired(I have renewed). Anyways what are Bamas laws specificly.? PLease help
I noticed Alabama was at 19 on the list why so? does any one know or can they direct me to site that will tell me. I was wondering because i got pulled over the other day and had my pistol in the console and a shotgun or two in the back. The LEO noticed some ammo and started asking questions. Fortunatly he never asked about a pistol only the longguns. When I got home noticed my CC liscence was expired(I have renewed). Anyways what are Bamas laws specificly.? PLease help
GraniteBarrel
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New Hampshire meets your requirements.
Also, someone listed the states in their Brady order, NH is 23rd because these Brady morons are too stupid even to look up the laws for real.
Example : they list "ballistic fingerprinting" as "Partial", and explain that they have no data. Well, it should read "No".
Same thing with the "Gun manufacturer accountability". They said "Partial" and if you look at their own explanation, it reads as "Not at all".
Also, someone listed the states in their Brady order, NH is 23rd because these Brady morons are too stupid even to look up the laws for real.
Example : they list "ballistic fingerprinting" as "Partial", and explain that they have no data. Well, it should read "No".
Same thing with the "Gun manufacturer accountability". They said "Partial" and if you look at their own explanation, it reads as "Not at all".
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Rellian, No offense taken here either. It's funny how different states consider a weapon to be loaded or unloaded. It's to bad we are not all under the same definations which would make things a lot easier for us to understand and for us not to break the law. Anyway, we here on this thread all stand together in our beliefs and that's what's important.
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What states have "stand your ground" laws?
tangomike706
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Pennsylvania
You have to be careful with lists. Utah (as well as other states) already have laws on the books that do not require retreat and allow for the use of deadly force outside of the home. Some states have them but do not call them by that name.
But for the sake of discussion,
The ones that I know of that have enacted official 'Stand Your Ground' legislation are (and I do not claim that this list is comprehensive):
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Virginia
Washington
(there may be others)
But for the sake of discussion,
The ones that I know of that have enacted official 'Stand Your Ground' legislation are (and I do not claim that this list is comprehensive):
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Virginia
Washington
(there may be others)
Rodman30
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West Virginia has castle doctrine ccw with open carry and use of deadly force if you think you or your family are in danger from a threat
HoosierQ
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Indiana has all of those things. Gary tried to pass a law making the state gun permit void within the city limits. The AG, the legislature, the governer, whomever, fell on them like an old building and that law was declared unconstitutional under Indiana law.
Indiana is a very good place to exercise you RKBA per the 2ndA.
Indiana is a very good place to exercise you RKBA per the 2ndA.
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