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tango2echo
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I had a Remington Model 7 in .243 that would not shoot under 8MOA at 100y with anything. In fact, with 100gr Cor-Locs it was closer to 12MOA. I sent it back to Remington three times, and each time it came back with a note saying it was "acceptable". It was and will be the last Remington I ever buy. I had a new barrel made for it and now it is a sub 1MOA rifle. I keep it as a reminder to never buy another Remington rifle.
I had a Mak-90 7.62X39 carbine that would not hit a 8" pie plate at 25 yards. I layed a steel straight edge along the barrel and it was bent more than .25" in 16.25".
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I had a Mak-90 7.62X39 carbine that would not hit a 8" pie plate at 25 yards. I layed a steel straight edge along the barrel and it was bent more than .25" in 16.25".
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Worst I ever owned was a Remington 760 in .270 - with factory, it shot about a 5" group at 50 yds. I finally loaded up some 170gr. Speer round nose stuff, and at near max load it got in to about 3" at 100yds.
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Remington Nylon 66 with a mounted scope. The scope lost it's zero and drifted up after 50 rounds so I just had the scope taken off and was fine with the Irons.
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My Mini-14 and Mini-30 SHOTGUNS are the most inaccurate rifles I own.
The don't shoot groups, they sometines shoot patterns.
The don't shoot groups, they sometines shoot patterns.
I think Russian Mosin Nagants are probably the worst I have experienced.
Some shoot tolerably well and some are wretched. I've never had one that really shot great, but I do have one that won't reliably hit a sheet of notebook paper at 10 yards.
Finnish MN's on the other hand are awesome rifles.
Some shoot tolerably well and some are wretched. I've never had one that really shot great, but I do have one that won't reliably hit a sheet of notebook paper at 10 yards.
Finnish MN's on the other hand are awesome rifles.
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Got lead?
That 1916 was originally designed to fire 7X57 but some were rebarreled to 7.62 nato, not sure when.
While advertized as a .308, you must be careful with it. It should tell you on the rifle what round you can use.
Read as much as you can about how that the .308 and the 7.62 nato are not the same round. They can have much different pressures depending on the commercial manufacturer. It's a big deal, so be careful.
I think those little rifles are awesome looking, very compact.
But I only shoot the original one in the 7X57 mauser, a very fine and accurate round.
There has been some confusion over the years about that little Spanish rifle and most of it centers around Spain's adoptiong of the CETME round.
Which, is very similar to 7.62 nato but less powerful round.
An easy article on this is http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/spanishinquisition/index.asp
It will answer a few questions for you.
But, please be careful shooting that 1916 with a .308 round until you've read up on it. Although I don't know anyone personally that's gotten hurt, I have been warned by several C&R guys for years about this.
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That 1916 was originally designed to fire 7X57 but some were rebarreled to 7.62 nato, not sure when.
While advertized as a .308, you must be careful with it. It should tell you on the rifle what round you can use.
Read as much as you can about how that the .308 and the 7.62 nato are not the same round. They can have much different pressures depending on the commercial manufacturer. It's a big deal, so be careful.
I think those little rifles are awesome looking, very compact.
But I only shoot the original one in the 7X57 mauser, a very fine and accurate round.
There has been some confusion over the years about that little Spanish rifle and most of it centers around Spain's adoptiong of the CETME round.
Which, is very similar to 7.62 nato but less powerful round.
An easy article on this is http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/spanishinquisition/index.asp
It will answer a few questions for you.
But, please be careful shooting that 1916 with a .308 round until you've read up on it. Although I don't know anyone personally that's gotten hurt, I have been warned by several C&R guys for years about this.
OJW
FlyinBryan
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my mini 14 was a total joke.
i seriously doubt i could shoot minute of man with it. there is no way i could have consistently hit a 3ft circle with it @300yds.
i seriously doubt i could shoot minute of man with it. there is no way i could have consistently hit a 3ft circle with it @300yds.
sansone
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I bought a new mini 14, 15yrs ago that really upset me if trying to hit a basketball at 100yds.. sold it and bought a new stainless "Ranch" version, did not shoot any better.
Decided to stay away from Ruger rifles for about 10yrs.. Then bought a Ruger #1 and decided only the mini 14's suck
Decided to stay away from Ruger rifles for about 10yrs.. Then bought a Ruger #1 and decided only the mini 14's suck
Look how many deer don't make it to the skillet because of all the guys that can't hit a deer sized target at any range with the rifle of their choice. It is not always the rifle that is at fault......BTW, my No 5 does not have a wandering zereo.......chris3
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Mini-14, hands down.
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The most inaccurate rifles I've ever seen are the ones in the hands of inexperienced rifle shooters. They tend to blame the guns for missing the targets when it's their skills that are missing.
Ammo choices can make a lot of difference too. Shooting the wrong loads "at distance" make a lot of "inaccuracy"... My Mosin likes 200-203 grain bullets at 100 yards, and 174's at 300 yards and shoots within 1-2MOA with the proper loads.
I've picked up a lot of rifles and shot them that had "less than stellar" zeroing jobs done on the sight systems too. A lot of rifle shooting is also technique, and what platform you're shooting from, and generalizing everything into one "shooting group" is a little ridiculous.
One of my best friends runs a company that makes accurate rifle barrels, and I have the opportunity to shoot a lot of crappy rifles that suddenly start shooting great when the scopes are zeroed and the ammo is not junk. He has a 2-groove Mark IV Brit that shoots inside half an inch with a peep sight at 100 yards... so before you bad-mouth an entire genre of weapons, you might make sure the gun's been dialed in by somebody who actually knows what they're doing, and shot by someone that's got the skills to "make it happen".
Every rifle has it's own personality and "mechanical" features that make it shoot differently, and unless you've identified both and are shooting the optimum combination of those features, you're not going to get stellar results. As for Mosins, they only made 17 million of them, so it's like saying you got a bad wheel... yeah... maybe.
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Ammo choices can make a lot of difference too. Shooting the wrong loads "at distance" make a lot of "inaccuracy"... My Mosin likes 200-203 grain bullets at 100 yards, and 174's at 300 yards and shoots within 1-2MOA with the proper loads.
I've picked up a lot of rifles and shot them that had "less than stellar" zeroing jobs done on the sight systems too. A lot of rifle shooting is also technique, and what platform you're shooting from, and generalizing everything into one "shooting group" is a little ridiculous.
One of my best friends runs a company that makes accurate rifle barrels, and I have the opportunity to shoot a lot of crappy rifles that suddenly start shooting great when the scopes are zeroed and the ammo is not junk. He has a 2-groove Mark IV Brit that shoots inside half an inch with a peep sight at 100 yards... so before you bad-mouth an entire genre of weapons, you might make sure the gun's been dialed in by somebody who actually knows what they're doing, and shot by someone that's got the skills to "make it happen".
Every rifle has it's own personality and "mechanical" features that make it shoot differently, and unless you've identified both and are shooting the optimum combination of those features, you're not going to get stellar results. As for Mosins, they only made 17 million of them, so it's like saying you got a bad wheel... yeah... maybe.
WT
dgarvin1
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I'lll second the usual suspects: AKs, Mini14s, etc.
Side note: I have an 03-A3 that my grandpa sporterized in the 1950s. It is a looker, with a Monte Carlo stock that he checkered by hand. For about 12 years I absolutely could not get that thing to shoot straight. I had pretty much given up until I tried 180 spire points on top of 46 grains of Varget. With that load it consistently shoots 1-2" groups at 100 yards.
But I guess some rifles simply don't have that sweet spot.
Side note: I have an 03-A3 that my grandpa sporterized in the 1950s. It is a looker, with a Monte Carlo stock that he checkered by hand. For about 12 years I absolutely could not get that thing to shoot straight. I had pretty much given up until I tried 180 spire points on top of 46 grains of Varget. With that load it consistently shoots 1-2" groups at 100 yards.
But I guess some rifles simply don't have that sweet spot.
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Wow, I own 3 Mini's all old, and all shoot 2-3 MOA,, not the best, but certainly not as bad as described...
I had a friend have me look at an SKS that he bought.. I think that it would have had a hard time finding the side of a barn if he was standing inside it...
The absolute WORST rifle I ever had for not wanting to print was a mid-70's Sako Forrester Deluxe in .308 that I bought as a gift for my dad, new in the box... No matter what ammo, factory or hand load, no matter what the OAL, no matter what I did, it would not shoot. 4 to 5 MOA. I floated the barrel, bedded the action. When my effors failed, I had it all redone by one of the best rifle smiths around at that time.. still absolutely no joy...
It became a safe queen until about 5 years ago, when I dug it out, and Gave it to Jim at One Hole Gunworks (now in WimberlyTx) who refitted it with a 1-12 Lilja... Now,, it's a very serious high speed drill... 1/4MOA is common with that gun now... The original barrel I know use as a jack handle...
I had a friend have me look at an SKS that he bought.. I think that it would have had a hard time finding the side of a barn if he was standing inside it...
The absolute WORST rifle I ever had for not wanting to print was a mid-70's Sako Forrester Deluxe in .308 that I bought as a gift for my dad, new in the box... No matter what ammo, factory or hand load, no matter what the OAL, no matter what I did, it would not shoot. 4 to 5 MOA. I floated the barrel, bedded the action. When my effors failed, I had it all redone by one of the best rifle smiths around at that time.. still absolutely no joy...
It became a safe queen until about 5 years ago, when I dug it out, and Gave it to Jim at One Hole Gunworks (now in WimberlyTx) who refitted it with a 1-12 Lilja... Now,, it's a very serious high speed drill... 1/4MOA is common with that gun now... The original barrel I know use as a jack handle...
RickMD
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Without question my worst by far was the Mini 14.
As the OP, I'll jump in and say that's a shame about the Mini-14. I've read a lot about their inaccuracy in other threads too. Spec'wise, it seems to be a perfect rifle. I don't know of any semi-auto competitors outside of the AR.
FlyinBryan
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ya, ive seen some of those lilja barrels shoot pretty darn good. its wierd about the sako barrel shooting that wildly, must have had crown damage, or just a shot-out bore.
on its absolute best day we might get 8" @100yds with ours, and usually more like 10+"
hmm. that has not been our experience at all with the ar-7 (if you are talking about the little henry survival job) we were getting 1-2" @50yds with ours, which was more accurate than our 10/22's (when they were still 10/22's, ie pretty much the only thing ruger left on them now is the receivers lol)
by far my worst shooting rifles have been a stainless mini, and to be honest, an sks right behind that.
my best are now the rifles we built our rugers into, some hbar ar-15's, and a couple of m1 garands in '06, in that order.
the 10/22's will pretty regularly shoot little m&m sized 5 shot groups @50yds (somewhere between plain and peanut)..... the ar-15's will shoot around 3/4" @100yds... and the m1 garands between 1-2" @100yds.
FlyinBryan
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cant say about century's ar-7, but i have seen other century rifles that couldnt hit water from a dock.
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