Mouse Gun Better Than Mace?

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I'm trying to be respectful of the OP and this thread. That's why I said things like "We can agree to disagree" and "let's just leave it at that."

But if you want to keep at it, let's set up a little OC test and put your eyes where your mouth is. Direct message me.

So, that's a definite "No"?

Look dude if it's that important for you to be right, you're right.

I lied. All the instructor did was smear Taco Bell FIRE sauce on my face. Then I beat up a crippled kindergartner and took her lunch money

Are you happy now?
 
Call me old fashioned but,,,
In my not-so-humble opinion,,,
Anything that goes bang is better than something that goes hisssssssssssssss.

Get a small .22 like the Taurus 22-PLY and load it with Mini Mags round nose,,,
It's reliable ammunition and felt recoil is almost non-existent.

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Then don't try and depend on a one-shot stop,,,
Empty half the mag then evaluate.

JM-ns-HO

Aarond

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What happens when the "bang" doesn't work? Like what just happened in Tampa?

Personal safety and self-defense is more than just the tools.
 
If you use OC spray when you need a gun you've just made a big tactical mistake. If you use a gun when you should have used OC spray now you've just made a huge legal mistake.

Just because OC spray is easy to use doesn't mean it's a mindless self defense tool. You should deploy it quickly and hopefully by surprise and then get off line and out of there as quick as you can. The point of it is allowing you to avoid having to go hands on with someone who is trying to fight you, and if you can't escape and have to fight at least it gives you a significant advantage by hampering your opponents senses. It's a valuable tool for people who are too old, infirm, or unskilled to fight.

It doesn't work on everybody, but the vast majority of people, no matter how tough they are, will be hurtin badly when sprayed. I'd rather get punched in the face and kicked in the nuts than get sprayed again and I'm not alone in that sentiment.

Become familiar with each weapon and the best tactics to use and make a decision on what you want to carry.
 
I'm no expert in Tasers but I've seen them deployed twice in the real world by (Presumably) trained police officers. In both cases they didn't penetrate the person's clothing and the cop had to contact stun the guy. Granted THAT dropped him but the prongs didn't work
The human body is a fantastic engine. There are so many variables involved, and that is why weapons and stopping attackers has never been a sure thing.
 
You might try wearing a pair of thin leather gloves when practicing. the leather helps cushion the impact from the slide recoiling. Don't have to be expensive. I got a pair from a local police supply store for under $25
 
Mouse gun, or Mace?
Forgive me for responding without reading the entire thread. I only read the first few posts and decided to say this even if it's already been mentioned.

The most important thing you need to consider before making this decision is that employing a mouse gun to stop a threat - as with any gun - is using deadly force, and that fact will remain true regardless of how you use it. In other words, you can't choose to shoot a guy in the leg and then say it wasn't deadly force. You used a gun - it's deadly force. End of story. On the other hand, using mace to stop a threat will almost never be construed as deadly force, except under the most specific and convoluted circumstances (you sprayed a feeble elderly person who was wearing an oxygen mask and towing an O2 tank, or something equally ridiculous).

The point is, they aren't interchangeable. You can use mace to ward off a threat, real or perceived, and defend your actions with far more ease than if you use a gun to defend yourself. Also, should you be unsuccessful in that defense, the repercussions will be enormously different depending on which tool you employed in said defense. If you shoot someone and later fail your attempt to defend yourself through justification, you're going to prison for several years, or longer. You spray someone with mace or OC, and fail to defend your actions, you might get fined and spend a couple months in jail for assault.

All that said, if I was forced to choose between carrying a tool which allows me to employ deadly force, and a tool that allows me to employ less than lethal force, I'd choose the former. I've been sprayed with law enforcement grade OC in an LE academy, and also been exposed to it in the field when it was directed toward others. It's certainly not pleasant, but it is NOT a reliable way to stop a threat.
 
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Here is a hint... 'Mace', or pepper spray, is not useful if the wind is in your face. An LCP is.

'Mace', or pepper spray, is not useful inside a car. An LCP is.

'Mace', or pepper spray, is not useful past 5 yards. An LCP is.

'Mace', or pepper spray, is not as useful if the guy is on the other side of a car/table/desk... An LCP is.

'Mace', or pepper spray, is not useful if the other guy has a gun and is outside the range of the 'Mace'. An LCP is.

Now I'd say go ahead and carry some 'Mace', or pepper spray, but I'd pack that LCP to!

Deaf
LARGELY AGREE, but there are times [ more often than not ] when LTL [ less than lethal ] force is the only real answer.

For that I say BOTH [ Mace & gun ] and a walking stick is a GREAT deterrent and that is the MUCH better "use of force".

Any force that is not required is a great answer to the situation.

Even the average street turd will not jump a man with a STICK in his hand.

It would behoove you to learn to do more than walk with the stick.

But the Mace is a great solution,and I have deployed it too many times to number !.
 
I don't carry pepper spray but I can see it as a good choice for some people. No sane person want's to shoot anyone. Those of us that carry firearms for self defense need to be confident that we can in fact shoot someone if we have to. I know people who would never be able to shoot anyone for any reason, my mother and my wife are two of them.
 
I would carry my LCP even if I couldn't practice with it, I would choose said LCP over a .22lr or pepper spray or any other non firearm.

As long as one can still grip a gun and pull a trigger a gun is the answer, dealing with the pain afterwards is a issue for sure but something that's unavoidable.

FWIW I have some nerve issues in my hands and that's why I only shoot 4 mags tops when I practice with my LCP.
 
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The primary reason I carry pepper spray is to deal with wild dogs that live in my area. Secondary reason is I can carry it into MOST places that don't allow firearms. I have no delusion that I am going to use pepper spray against a lethal threat.
 
You need a different pistol. A firearm and OC spray are not interchangeable. I won't advise for or against spray, but I will advise for trying on some new CCW hardware.
 
You can't find any mild .38 for the lcr? Hornady critical defense lite? Better than mace. I'd keep the wheelgun
 
I missed the part where he said he (the OP) has a LCR as well. Unless his issue also includes difficulty with a revolver's DA trigger, I'd go all the way down to Cowboy Action loads with it if I had to do so to be able to shoot it.

That being said, the OP has already said he's taken the "why not both?" idea seriously, and has his LCP and Mace strapped on. Probably an idea I should also consider adopting.
 
JeffG wrote:
My "mouse gun" is my Glock 43.

This post is discussing the "mouse gun" or "velo dog" rounds such as the .25 ACP and yet, JeffG, you blunder in with a gun chambered for 9mm Parabelum (i.e. "For War"). What relevance is that; other than to be haughty dismissive of everything that has been discussed up to this point?

Your so-called "mouse gun" is not a "mouse gun", but a "war gun" and by its very name is intended to kill people in combat, not mice. Please post something relevant to the topic that is not dismissive of it or refrain from posting at all.
 
Geez, guys, let's all just step back and take a deep breath. Seems to be a lot ad hominem going on on THR lately, which isn't very High Road, IMO. It's costing us members, and dissuading potential new ones.
 
Why not try a LCP2?
It has a much easier trigger pull and is slightly larger than the original.
You will find that Hornady's Critcal Defense round is easier on the hand than training rounds.
And just because it is painful to shoot 50 rounds at the range does not mean that you cannot get off an accurate close range burst when up against a real threat.
(Case in point is my Airweight J frame which after 10 rounds of service ammo goes back into my range bag. Which is why I also have a .22LR version.)
(You do mention that you can shoot it well out to 15 feet, which will serve you well in 99% of any situation that may occur)
Not to enter the OC debate but it is classified as non lethal force, which is why it is an extra tool on a policemen's belt and not a firearm's replacement.
In other words, why not carry both the Ruger and a can of OC?
 
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^^ He (the OP) has already stated that he is now, something I think I should be considering as well. It's good advice.
 
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Why not try a LCP2?
It has a much easier trigger pull and is slightly larger than the original.
You will find that Hornady's Critcal Defense round is easier on the hand than training rounds.
And just because it is painful to shoot 50 rounds at the range does not mean that you cannot get off an accurate close range burst when up against a real threat.
(Case in point is my Airweight J frame which after 10 rounds of service ammo goes back into my range bag. Which is why I also have a .22LR version.)
(You do mention that you can shoot it well out to 15 feet, which will serve you well in 99% of any situation that may occur)
Not to enter the OC debate but it is classified as non lethal force, which is why it is an extra tool on a policemen's belt and not a firearm's replacement.
In other words, why not carry both the Ruger and a can of OC?


Interesting. I was just this morning kibbitzing while a friend was working on an original LCP, and we were using an LCP2 from stock as a reference. The original LCP had a much better trigger than the NIB LCP2. And BTW, he was insatlling a Hogue (I think it was hogue, it had their usual knobby stippling) grip adapter on that LCP, and it made it fit our hands better and felt like it'd reduce felt recoil quite a bit. I didn't like shooting my Dad's LCP (without the adapter) much.
 
In that case I would advise to stay with the LCP.
Interesting. I was just this morning kibbitzing while a friend was working on an original LCP, and we were using an LCP2 from stock as a reference. The original LCP had a much better trigger than the NIB LCP2. And BTW, he was insatlling a Hogue (I think it was hogue, it had their usual knobby stippling) grip adapter on that LCP, and it made it fit our hands better and felt like it'd reduce felt recoil quite a bit. I didn't like shooting my Dad's LCP (without the adapter) much.
Thanks.
That is the first I ever heard about the Hogue grip sleeve.
For ten bucks I may give it a shot.
 
And please do show me that "federal law" that you mention,in my 26 years as a cop and actual use of force ,and OC and D/T and firearms instructor = I have not seen that one.

Wasp spray has a similar warning. 26 years as a cop doesn't make you a legal expert.
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This post is discussing the "mouse gun" or "velo dog" rounds such as the .25 ACP and yet, JeffG, you blunder in with a gun chambered for 9mm Parabelum (i.e. "For War"). What relevance is that; other than to be haughty dismissive of everything that has been discussed up to this point?

What on earth are you trying to say? So because 9mm Parabellum means "For War" that makes it a military grade round? Don't tell the Democrats, they will come swooping in like vultures trying to get those death rounds that can shoot clear through a school off the streets. Don't be ridiculous. Everybody has their "minimum" self defense round.
 
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