Move to where you're free or "stay and fight?"

[floorit76]

Kind words, thanks. The tide is changing here, slowly. It's really fun to see the women march out front at the IGOLD rally, all carrying tongue depressors. You see the IL state police website urges women to carry one, in order to gag herself so she can vommit on a rapist. The polititians turn green when the girls ask them if they would rather see their wife/mother/daugter protect herself with with a gun, or with vomit.

 

[2zulu1]

I wonder how many of those who live in oppressive jurisdictions/states are members of their local NRA fund raising committees? ??

 

[Mr.Blue]

If that is all you love, money over freedom, then by all means, I wish you luck in what you want.
I wouldn't visit NYC on a bet, and I've been in big cities like Hong Kong and Singapore over the years. I'm glad you love your Big Apple, but the way you're posting about it is pretty insulting to the rest of us who live elsewhere. I'll stay here in Free AZ, you stay in Bloomers glittering cage.

1. I haven't lived in NYC for 11 years or NYC suburbs for 5 years.

2. How did my explanation of what NY is about insult anyone? People need thicker skin.

3. There is no question that NYC (Similar to California) draws the best and the brightest from all over the US. This results in an extremely educated, left leaning population. Many of the white people from the outer boroughs are pro gun.

4. Wow, a couple of rich ranchers in Az. You obviously don't understand the wealth in and around NYC.

5. I hate NY politics except for my old congressman, Peter King.

6. AZ has it's own problems. How about stopping the deluge of border jumpers that head north and committ crime. Personally, I'd love to go back to WI some day.

 

[BeerSleeper]

3. There is no question that NYC draws the best and the brightest from all over the US.

[citation needed]

 

[carbuncle]

I moved to Washington State after growing up in Massachusetts, love the firearms laws out here. I'll never move to a state with hyper restrictive gun laws again, our incomes and the tax and economic benefit they produce in our local community will stay in free states.

 

[GrumpyBunny]

Opportunity

In 2005 I made the decision that relates to the topic.

After being involved for 10 years in the grassroots efforts to sway the anti-gun movement and put pressure on politicos from local,state and federal levels, my opinion is that the left has so many organizations pushing us to the left, that to even to get the government to stay middle of the road is an uphill struggle!

Howver, my decison to leave California was based on economics. I was absolutely shut out from getting employed in my profession. I did odd jobs
just to get by. I had friends who went under - financially bankrupt - losing their homes etc. The state I chose to move to had job opportunities and the one I chose had good (not the best) pro-gun laws.

Well, I am in my new home state, California still tests me out every other year by sending me a notice that I failed to pay my income tax. While certain things here are cheaper, other items required are way overpriced.

That be as it may, the financial aspect has put me way ahead of the game. Now, I am looking for my next best move.

 

[2zulu1]

1. I haven't lived in NYC for 11 years or NYC suburbs for 5 years.

2. How did my explanation of what NY is about insult anyone? People need thicker skin.

3. There is no question that NYC (Similar to California) draws the best and the brightest from all over the US. This results in an extremely educated, left leaning population. Many of the white people from the outer boroughs are pro gun.

4. Wow, a couple of rich ranchers in Az. You obviously don't understand the wealth in and around NYC.

5. I hate NY politics except for my old congressman, Peter King.

6. AZ has it's own problems. How about stopping the deluge of border jumpers that head north and committ crime. Personally, I'd love to go back to WI some day.

I guess your reply means you stayed but don't fight.

 

[geim druth]

Stay where you are and fight. If your are lucky enough to live in a state with sane gun laws, help the those who aren't as best you can.
Those who believe in gun control will not stop with victory in New Jersey or Illinois or New York or California. They'll keep fighting till Texas and Missisippi and Arizona have to abide by the Brady Campaign's ideas of safe gun ownership.

 

[hacksaw]

About 11 years ago I moved from NY to SC. I had lost my job shortly after 9/11 and couldn't find an IT job to save my soul. Found a good job in the Myrtle Beach area with a "stable" long established company. THen the 'Great Recession" occurred. I was out of work for 2 years, never once did I look for a job in NY, MA, or any other liberal bastion. I enjoy being able to carry conealed, buy a supressor etc...I am, however paying a price for my choices. The salaries in SC are nowhere near competitive for similar jobs in more Metropolitan areas. I had to take a contract gig in Iraq, fortunately it pays great. I am actually on my home right now, probably wont take another contract. I also wont take a job in NY, MA, MD etc...

 

[lizziedog1]

Retire, Arizona, enough said!

My son and his family live in Arizona.

They must be the most gun-friendly state. No paperwork or permits required for any kind of carry. It don't get much better than that.

 

[1911 guy]

I find myself aggravated at Mr. Blues logic.

Best and brightest? You do realize these are the idiots who drove the economy onto a wall, right?

And culture and entertainment? The ONLY advantage NYC has over other places is the proximity. In New York, everything is centered in and around Manhattan, whereas other places you might actually have to put in some effort to find the world class eateries, museums, playhouses, etc. Trust me, they do exist.

I have been to NYC several times. I was thoroughly unimpressed. Doesn't come close to living up to the hype. Everything in NYC, except for the financial industry (see paragraph one) can be found elsewhere. And usually without the snobbery attached to it.

I, like Valnar, live in Ohio. We've got good people, good industry, housing isn't stupid inflated and our gun rights are pretty good overall. And, like him, I hate the snow! Just shoveled my driveway. Do we have a coronary smiley?

ETA: I, too have deep roots here. Several generaltions now and most of my family is within driving distance. "stay and fight" is how we got CCW in the first place. And it's only getting better here.

 

[Patriotme]

Why support a lousy anti gun city or state with your tax dollars and discretionary income? You could spend years, decades or your entire life giving money to anti gunners and get nothing to show for it. Meanwhile you have your gun rights curtailed or stripped away.
If I found myself in this situation I would move if at all possible. I realize that some might call this quitting but I would hate to spend my entire life in DC waiting for this city to catch up with the majority of the US in regards to gun laws.

 

[BullfrogKen]

As mentioned earlier, a bedrock of this experiment we call the United States is the freedom for states to make their own rules and determine what will or will not be acceptable within their borders.

Over a decade ago I made a conscious decision to leave Maryland for three reasons, gun rights and better 2A freedoms being one of them.


I have found that states with restrictive gun rights also have other intrusive, meddlesome laws that curtain freedoms in areas of my life that I'd rather the state stay the heck out of.

During the decade ending in 2010, and continuing into this current one, I've seen the demographics of states change. Taxes and job opportunities are the major factors. Businesses are moving to states that are more business friendly and have a lower tax burden, taking those jobs with them when they leave. That has especially been true for NYC. Not just businesses, but wealthy individuals are leaving that state.


Maryland was just never going to change. Staying to fight is admirable, and those fights are the ones that get to the Supreme Court, making those small fights affect the laws of the nation as a whole.

But I wanted to get to a state that better reflected my attititudes and values - all of them, not just 2A values. I'm quite happy I did.

 

[armoredman]

1. I haven't lived in NYC for 11 years or NYC suburbs for 5 years.
So it's the best place in the world, yet you left years ago.
2. How did my explanation of what NY is about insult anyone? People need thicker skin.
Inherent arrogance with unprovable assertations.
3. There is no question that NYC (Similar to California) draws the best and the brightest from all over the US. This results in an extremely educated, left leaning population. Many of the white people from the outer boroughs are pro gun.
If the best and brightest are there, why did you leave a place you vehemently defend so long ago? Odd, this correlation you draw, that the best and brightest are leftists. Again an insult, perhaps unintended, perhaps not.
4. Wow, a couple of rich ranchers in Az. You obviously don't understand the wealth in and around NYC.
I didn't post that one, but there are many rich ranchers. Don't know any personally.
5. I hate NY politics except for my old congressman, Peter King.
Good, don't know Mr King.
6. AZ has it's own problems. How about stopping the deluge of border jumpers that head north and committ crime. Personally, I'd love to go back to WI some day.
Obviously you pay no attention to what's going on around you, or you might have heard of SB 1070 by now, and our Supreme Court fights to do exactly that - we won the last one on employer sanctions. It wasn't the Governor of Arizona that handed over a section of Arizona land to the drug smugglers, it was one of your best and brightest leftists that did that. It's your best and brightest leftists that are trying like hades to stop us from controlling the border so more best and brightest can sneak across.
But, to forestall any more arguments that will just draw a moderator's ire, I will put you down on the ignore list from now on. Please continue to have a nice day.

 

[WinThePennant]

I say move to a free state that respects your Bill of Rights.

The creatively stupid are multiplying at exponential rates in some of the unfree states. In other words, standing up to them is a losing battle.

 

[Mr.Blue]

1. I haven't lived in NYC for 11 years or NYC suburbs for 5 years.
So it's the best place in the world, yet you left years ago.
2. How did my explanation of what NY is about insult anyone? People need thicker skin.
Inherent arrogance with unprovable assertations.
3. There is no question that NYC (Similar to California) draws the best and the brightest from all over the US. This results in an extremely educated, left leaning population. Many of the white people from the outer boroughs are pro gun.
If the best and brightest are there, why did you leave a place you vehemently defend so long ago? Odd, this correlation you draw, that the best and brightest are leftists. Again an insult, perhaps unintended, perhaps not.
4. Wow, a couple of rich ranchers in Az. You obviously don't understand the wealth in and around NYC.
I didn't post that one, but there are many rich ranchers. Don't know any personally.
5. I hate NY politics except for my old congressman, Peter King.
Good, don't know Mr King.
6. AZ has it's own problems. How about stopping the deluge of border jumpers that head north and committ crime. Personally, I'd love to go back to WI some day.
Obviously you pay no attention to what's going on around you, or you might have heard of SB 1070 by now, and our Supreme Court fights to do exactly that - we won the last one on employer sanctions. It wasn't the Governor of Arizona that handed over a section of Arizona land to the drug smugglers, it was one of your best and brightest leftists that did that. It's your best and brightest leftists that are trying like hades to stop us from controlling the border so more best and brightest can sneak across.
But, to forestall any more arguments that will just draw a moderator's ire, I will put you down on the ignore list from now on. Please continue to have a nice day.

1. I left for a job at a hedge fund, which ultimately laid off 70% of it's work force and left me without job in Wisconsin. I then had to go back East to find a job in capital markets.

2. I do not say that NYC is the best place in the world. I only point out to the many Yahoos here who bash the place. Most who bash NYC in totality are just ignorant to what it offers. These people are the reason that the left-leaning limousine liberal eliteists call anything not NY or CA "flyover" country.

I am a conservative Republican and a long time member of the NRA. I just don't like reading ignorant attacks on a great city.

 

[BeerSleeper]

I'm sure NY has a lot to offer, but the value of what it has to offer is subject to each individual's own assessment.

The freedom found in any free state in the midwest, excepting Illinois, is of much greater value to me than nightlife, fine restaurants, and a broadway show.

I hope the NY'ers and the Californians continue to consider the midwest "flyover country". I'd rather they not move in and ruin the neighborhood.

 

[nyrifleman]

5. I hate NY politics except for my old congressman, Peter King.
Good, don't know Mr King.

You should, because Mr. King is a prominent anti-gun politician. Remember that bill about not carrying firearms within 1000 feet of a congressman? Introduced a little after Gabrielle Giffords' shooting? Well, guess who?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/peter-king-calls-for-gun-contr.html

 

[nyrifleman]

I just don't like reading ignorant attacks on a great city.

I think you're making an assumption that a lot of NYC-bashers are ignorant. I lived in NYC for 13 years. I think it sucks.

I'm not saying that there aren't people who like NYC, or who have reason to like the city, but you're implying that if people actually came to know the city, they wouldn't be bashing it. And that is wrong. NYC is not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[WinThePennant]

1. I left for a job at a hedge fund, which ultimately laid off 70% of it's work force and left me without job in Wisconsin. I then had to go back East to find a job in capital markets.

2. I do not say that NYC is the best place in the world. I only point out to the many Yahoos here who bash the place. Most who bash NYC in totality are just ignorant to what it offers. These people are the reason that the left-leaning limousine liberal eliteists call anything not NY or CA "flyover" country.

I am a conservative Republican and a long time member of the NRA. I just don't like reading ignorant attacks on a great city.

You're a bit out of line when it comes to calling people who dislike New Yorker's anti-freedom positions as being "Yahoos."

NYC is a great city -- A great city that would fall into itself but for the massive cash infusions from Wall Street. Cash infusions that simply are capitalized productivity stolen/grifted/fleeced from "flyover country."

 

[towboat_er]

I ain't moving to NYC, that's fer sure.

 

[Sam1911]

Enough already. This has become simply a huge fight over how much NYC sucks and why. Arguing that is not why we're here.

Let's say the "stay" and "go" sides have both had their say ... and we've all learned a bit about New York City ... so let's call this one a draw.