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If you're moving to Kvile give us a call. PM me for the phone number and send a resume as well (never can tell). If nothing else we can get together for some target practice. Tam and PWard and others are within rifle shot of my house. (I was letting a buddy of mine and his son "feel" the difference in recoil between a CETME and FAL this evening on the small range off my back porch)

What will you be studying? Any idea what area you'll settle in?

As to the handgun carry permit, the summary is - if you're at least 21 and a TN resident and free of any criminal impediment you can get a permit by completing a carry class from a state certified instructor (like CCA gives almost every Saturday), taking the certificate of completion to any driver's liscence office (numerous small satellite offices scattered in and around Kvile) and filling out the paperwork and paying your $115. Then you wait for the approval and get your picture ID at any of the driver's liscence offices.

BTW E.TN is not the South (The "South" starts about a couple of hours drive west or south or east of Knoxville, but we sureashell ain't the "North"), but you could get called a "Yankee" anyway.
 
Memphis - about the only good thing about Memphis are some of the BBQ places (Rendezvous, Corky's, etc.). But man, what a corrupt city.

(No offense to anybody that happens to live there...)

I like a lot of other places in TN, though. Great mix of climate.

NC, Good luck with your move.
 
I love Knoxville. Beautiful place. Several Tennessee residents have told you what is happening. However, if you want to read it yourself to be sure, check the Tennessee Secretary of State's websute for information about CCW. If they don't handle it, they will probably have a link to the firearms section of the law. Most states have the laws regarding CCW linked to the Secretary of State's office. Go to Google or your favorite search engine and check it out. I lived in Knoxville for about 6 months 26 years ago. Being from California, I was blown away by how beautiful it was in terms of trees, GIGANTIC Azalea bushes, great knife places and the fact that it is a great place. U.T. is a fun place, at least it used to be. Good luck.
 
If you are going to a "T" state, come on down a bit further to Texas. Geeze the oil business is hiring like it is going out of style! Lots of jobs and the pay is great. A bit warm in summer, but then again it makes Qatar seem cool.

As a Techie grad and a former "Troll" I do not regret leaving a bit. Michigan just was to darn oppressive for gun rights in my opinion. I guess to much of the Detroit influence. Even back in the heart of the state it was pretty bad when compared to Texas.

Say good bye to the "yoop" on the way over the "da bridge" then tromp on the pedal when you hit 75 and come on south.


As we in the oil industry now say "drive 80 and freeze a yankee"
 
Knox good...

I have to say....Knoxville is pretty nice. Decent weather, lots to do and see, beats the heck out of Qatar. My time there with NightCrawler made me see that no matter how much fun you think travelling can be, there is always somewhere to prove you wrong. Plus (this might be a plug) Coal Creek Armory is without a doubt one of the best ranges/stores I have been to in my life. Nothing in Newport News came even close.
 
May be headed for Clarksville that weekend to visit with Breed/Wheeler/Elder/etc., but I never can be certain what's happening until the day before.
 
Nightcrawler - you're going to love Tennessee. No state income tax (I was there the year Das Volk circled the state capital building in Nashville and beeped their horns angrily to intimidate their elected critters from approving a state income tax). You're near some significant battlefields (Missionary Ridge, Lookout Mountain, Chickamauga) and in Knoxville (besides Tamara & the gang), the East Tennessee Historical Society that has Davy Crockett's first rifle. The Daughters of the Confederacy also own a house there from which Longstreet's Whitworth armed sharpshooters killed Col. Sanders (actually Brevet Brigadier General and not the chicken dude who is an American icon) at 750-800 yards.

Echo Tango - did you guys cut down that tree the same way that mighty oak at Spotsylvania Court House came down?
 
Echo Tango - did you guys cut down that tree the same way that mighty oak at Spotsylvania Court House came down?

I dunno. Did that oak tree get cut down by a FAL-wielding lunatic?

The Daughters of the Confederacy

The what now?

actually Brevet Brigadier General and not the chicken dude who is an American icon

Well that's good. I like fried chicken.

NC, you gonna be in town by then?

'Fraid not. Probably moving at the very end of September.
 
4v50 Gary, I just figured it out.

I had forgotten that the Civil War is like the Southern National Pastime. See, up in MI, you don't have any civil war battlefields, any re-enactors, etc.

But that's all over the southern states, isn't it?

Sorry. I'm afraid I don't know any more about the civil war than what I can recall from my last American History class, aside from the essentials, of course. I could dig up my class notes, though, if it'll help me better acclimate to the South. :D
 
Geez still talking like a Yankee. I used to do that to. Now repeat after me:

Yankee's call it the "Civil War".

Many Southerner's call it the "War of Northern Aggression".

Westerner's (where I spent a fair amount of time growing up) call it that "Eastern Mess".



Pick your perspective.
 
Probably the biggest thing about The War Of Northern Aggression is that it wasn't about slavery, it was about states'-rights. 'Magine that! Slavery made a good, volitile topic to get "fired up" over. Amazing theyhistory that never makes the books.

Stay safe.
Bob
 
Amazing theyhistory that never makes the books.

Actually, my American History classes covered that quite thoroughly. My college history professor was quite thorough, and covered every aspect and perspective from the time. We even read exerpts of letters and such from players on both sides of the conflict.

Probably the biggest thing about The War Of Northern Aggression is that it wasn't about slavery

I bid you to read this exerpt from the Confederate States of America Constitution.

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.]

If it was about states' rights, how come new states admitted to the Confederacy wouldn't have had the option of abolishing slavery?

To say the Civil War simply wasn't about slavery is as big a fallacy as saying that slavery was the only or even primary cause. Of course slavery was an issue; and a major one! The entire economy of the southern states depended utterly on that instution, and had it been abolished outright the southern states would've collapsed into economic depression. (For a time, at least. I'm sure immigrant labor would've filled in the gap, as it did in the northern cities in the latter half of the nineteenth century.)

But, slavery was important enough to the founders of the Confederacy that the protection of same was worded into their Constitution. It was also mentioned specifically in the declarations of secession of more than one of the southern states.

Of course, the average Confederate soldier wasn't fighting to keep blacks enslaved any more than the average Union soldier was by extension an abolitionist. Most southerners didn't own slaves; slaves were the mark of a wealthy and/or influential man, the type of men that formed the government of the CSA and were the leaders of the southern states. To these men, slavery was a huge issue.

Please don't assume I don't know anything about history because I grew up in a northern state, or that I was taught some kind of revisionist history.

Appaently I'm not the only one irritated by this.
 
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Knoxville is one of the prettiest places on the planet. I love it there. UT is a fun school. I have several friends that went there.

To establish residency you just need to rent a place and show someone a utility bill to prove you live there. The DL should be no biggie. You just have to turn in your out of state license and it goes pretty smoothly.

I used to know the CCW laws there but alas, my brain is crammed with too much useless info these days and some of what I knew is buried in there somewhere. My recollection is that you have to be a resident for 6 months. Sign up to take the class you need and pay the state they money they want. Probably no more than $150 total and likely cheaper.

Go the Google and look up the "Tennessee Secretary of State". Go to their internet site and you will probably be able to get all the details. If not there, they will be able to direct you to the proper agency. Another option is to go to your local police dept. and ask them. They should be very helpful and direct you where to go. Usually, you have to get the CCW from the local PD or Sherriff anyway.
 
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