Moving to a new place that doesn't allow firearms

What should I do?

  • Violate lease agreement and keep my pistol in my house/vehicle

    Votes: 160 78.4%

  • Follow lease agreement and put my pistol in storage or with someone I trust

    Votes: 8 3.9%

  • Other (please specify in post)

    Votes: 36 17.6%
  • Total voters
    204
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Is the lessor of these low-income apartments a governmental agency and, if so, is the no-guns clause the result of a local ordinance? In other words, would you be violating the law by disregarding the clause?
 
"Cogo." Latin for "under duress," I'm told. Feds don't seem to catch it when I sign a certain annual form with that after my signature. Few other people would, I think.
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The feds probably don't catch it because 1) they don't care as long as you send your money and 2) because cogo doesn't mean under duress. While it could mean to compel, it could also mean to collect. You could just be thanking them for collecting taxes.
 
Check your state law if they are even allowed to prohibit guns on your premises.

If WV is like MN, a landlord can't prohibit a legally owned guns in a tenant's space. So don't tell and don't show the landlord :neener::neener::neener:
 
Get an ACLU lawyer pro-bono to sue those Anti-2nd ammendment bigots!
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I am guessing that there is no 2nd Amendment violation. However disagreeable the policy, I think that to government may make many requests of you in exchange for a specified benefit. As examples, the governement cannot in general require you to seek employment, but they can withhold an unemployment check if you do not seek employment. I am pretty sure that you give up certain medical record privacy rights when you accept any of the various government health programs. My guess is that receiving subsisized housing may fit in that kind of category.

Is the lessor of these low-income apartments a governmental agency and, if so, is the no-guns clause the result of a local ordinance? In other words, would you be violating the law by disregarding the clause?
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That may be important - you need to try and figure out what the cost of violating the lease would be. If in involves any criminal penalties, then think very hard. I don't know what you state law is, but being found guilty of a gun-related misdemeanor could deprive you of the right to own firearms at all in some states.

For a married college student with 2 kids, it's almost impossible to go somewhere else.
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If this is University owned housing, I would be very, very careful. Even though THR folks understand the policies at VT did not protect students, I would not care to be a student found violating weapons policies at a college in VA! I am sure that the powers that be in the university system are aching for a scapegoat right now.

Mike
 
He's probably asking you to sign it to protect himself from lawsuits in case some lowlife tenant shoots another one. Keep your gun and keep it out of sight. What's the worst he could do -- evict you?
 
move in and keep your gun. If you do not tell anyone about it who will know?

If for some reason you need to use it you will be better off with an eviction than with the other possibility.
 
Get the ACLU to Sue Based on Violation of Civil Liberty

You have a civil liberty to own firearms. The ACLU purports to actively support American Civil Liberties. You are impoverished according to your e-mail so the ACLU has a perfect case to pursue against the landlord.
 
This is not university housing, nor is it government run to my knowledge. I also doubt that there will be many lowlifes around. It is in a really nice area, and the rent is just a little bit high for the really low income. Most of the more "rough" looking people (if I had to put a term to it) live in Westover, Granville, or Osage (some neighboring areas), so I'm not so worried about gangs running around. I just don't feel comfortable living anywhere without a firearm available.

I kinda found the code dealing with Landlord and Tenant (WV Code Chapter 37, section 6)

However, some of the language is confusing to me. I don't believe keeping the firearm would be illegal, but I also do not see anything prohibiting the landlord from keeping me from having firearms.
 
Low income housing is exactly where you need personal protection the most.
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My thoughts exactly. I am thinking that you will wish you paid an extra $100 a month for non low income housing once you meet your neighbors.
 
For a married college student with 2 kids, it's almost impossible to go somewhere else.
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Man, you have a real problem. Possible consequences of not having tool for self defense available = harm to self and loved ones. Certain consequences of getting caught = self and loved ones on the street. Without knowing your circumstances and the neighborhood, I'm reluctant to give you the nod one way or another. It's a decision your wife will have to have a part in. Have you asked her what her feelings are?

I really hate that the landlord is forcing this choice on you, but essentially the lease agreement is a business contract between you, subject to whatever restrictions the state puts on these types of agreements. His property, his rules.
 
You have a civil liberty to own firearms. The ACLU purports to actively support American Civil Liberties. You are impoverished according to your e-mail so the ACLU has a perfect case to pursue against the landlord.
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Not exactly. The Bill of Rights (in general) restrains the action of the government, not agreements between private parties.

Mike
 
I know one of the biggest developers in your area, the Solomons. John was the former attorney general. Its all about liability. Theirs.

By signing the lease, you agree not to have a firearm on the premise which holds them not responsible if you end up shooting someone cause you chose to violate the lease. Their insurance company may even have required it to recieve coverage at all, so it may not be their choice.

In todays sue happy climate, these are problems that are affecting insurance coverage and premiums.

You can ignore and keep the firearm anyway, just make sure if the fix it man is called that all traces of a gun are hidden well, or you'll be out on your butt.

Depending on how old your kids are, make sure they don't talk to another neighbors kids and mention my daddy has a gun.
 
Tough spot you're in. Just out of curiosity do any police officers live there? A home is protected under unwarranted search and seizure by .gov officials, and in most states from landlords too, more than likely all they could do if they found it was to press eviction. I personally would keep it in a small safe when not ccw'n, and in a place where the safe was unlikely to be seen, if one day you are in a position to move, or challenge their asanine covenant, then go for it, possibly an e-mail to the NRA-ILA might give some information
 
What do you think government handouts are all about, whether it is welfare, HUD, food stamps or any number of other social programs? It's about control and enslavement. If you want your government cheese, you must do this or that. Once they have you convinced that you can't live without the government cheese, they own you.

For the last couple of years, I've had to work enough overtime to make an extra $10k to be able to pay my bills and do what I want to be able to do, not submit my freedoms to a government agency. I'd like to know where it says in the consitution that anyone is entitled to have their family first and then use government programs to supplement their schooling, housing, etc.

If I were a 16 year old girl with no money and no future, I'd get knocked up so I could get free schooling, daycare, housing, etc so I wouldn't have any bills to pay once I got through school.
 
As others have said, this is a violation of your constitutional rights and is not legal, nor can it be legally enforced. I have gone through this before when renting a room from someone when I was in college. If property is rented and acts are your residence these "rules" are illegal and can be fought against and won.
 
If you are as Christian as your signature implies, option #1 should not be an option for you, because ya ain't s'posed to lie.

Option #2 allows you to be honest, but deprives you of carry at times when you might most need it.

I voted for option #3, which to me means "find another place to live," but you have said that also isn't an option for you.

So it appears you are stuck with #2.
 
From: http://www.legis.state.wv.us/WVCODE/masterfrm3Banner.cfm

Looks like this says they can keep you from carrying, but not owning:

§61-7-14. Right of certain persons to limit possession of firearms on premises.


Notwithstanding the provisions of this article, any owner, lessee or other person charged with the care, custody and control of real property may prohibit the carrying openly or concealed of any firearm or deadly weapon on property under his or her domain: Provided, That for purposes of this section "person" means an individual or any entity which may acquire title to real property.
Any person carrying or possessing a firearm or other deadly weapon on the property of another who refuses to temporarily relinquish possession of such firearm or other deadly weapon, upon being requested to do so, or to leave such premises, while in possession of such firearm or other deadly weapon, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or confined in the county jail not more than six months, or both: Provided, That the provisions of this section shall not apply to those persons set forth in subsections

Couldn't find anything else.
 
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