Mueller scope quality?

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So, i am now trying to get a new scope for my Savage MKII, and I have found Mueller scopes. Does anyone have experiance with them? I am looking for something that will last a while and possibly be used on a few different .22s over its life. The particular one in question is the APV 4.5-14x40 AO.

Thanks for your help.
 
I am not exactly sure about that model some are made in Japan some in China. One good clue if you can go look at one in person and look for the "made in xxx". If it is made in Japan or the philippines then it is probably a decent scope. If it is made in China well then roll the dice and take your chances.
 
I have the APV its a nice enough scope but the adjustments aren't a true 1/4 MOA.
 
Mueller Scopes - Made from the finest Japanese glass with high end German lens coatings. These scopes are famous for their unique reticles as well as superb optics at a reasonable price.

Swift SRP Premier Scopes -Superb. As good or awfully close to Leupold and Burris for a lot less money. The optics, lens coatings, durability, and repeatability on these scopes is unsurpassed.

I own a Brown 97D which is a crossbred between the two above. Very nice scope. :)

Brown 97D Riflescope - Our 97D 4-12x40mm Riflescope evolved out of our extensive experience at selling Swift Premier SRP and Mueller APV riflescopes.
 
I have a APV on a 10/22, excellent scope, no problems in three years of knocking around. Over a year ago I bought a Mueller TAC II for my M1A, used a Sadlak mount with Burris xtreme rings. Been a bullet proof setup.
Mueller doesn't have all the bells and whistles, no side focus or target turrets, but for the money you can't beat the quality of the glass. I would rather spend the money on powder, brass and bullets.
Mueller uses a German manufactured coating, applied to Japanese ground glass in Japan, then assembled in China. I called customer service a few times before I bought the TAC II, they are very helpful and knowledgeable. I have only read about one bad scope, an APV, and from the general consensus on that forum, it was operator error.
 
They're actually pretty decent scopes, and a good value, but they do NOT have good eye relief, in my experience, so you don't want them for a big boomer.
 
They're actually pretty decent scopes, and a good value, but they do NOT have good eye relief, in my experience, so you don't want them for a big boomer.
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Well, my last scope had only 3" (the APV has 3.5) and the biggest it will see is a .223, so i should be good.

Thanks for the help everyone!
 
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I've got APV's on my 10/22 & Marlin .17 HMR BA. I have the Mueller Eraticator on my Mk II BV. I've been happy with all the set ups.
 
Okay, another question, are there any 'better' scopes for the same of a little more? I just found out my budget is a bit bigger than i thought!:D So if i can get a better scope....
 
A few years ago, a lot of multigun/3 gun shooters were drooling over a 1-4x scope Mueller had in development.

Evidently once it was released, it turned out that the scopes didn't hold up long term under multigun match conditions.

That said, a serious multigun shooter is going to rack up some serious wear and tear on his weapons, so something that may not be robust enough for heavy competition use might be just fine for plinking or occasional field use.
 
I use an M APV on my CZ 453; works great, even with my old eyes. :)

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I buy Leupold, or I will do without a scope.
Period.

I have had too many bad experiences, burning up costly ammo and time at the range, trying to sight in something that will not sight in, no matter how many clicks to the left, right, up or down you go.

Then, back into the box and back to where I got the piece of junk.

I learned the hard way, it's Leupold or nothing. I'd rather use iron sights than some of the junk scopes out there.

With Leupold, I set it and forget it and it is always 'DEAD-ON'!
 
Mueller versus ...

I have a Mueller, and its just OK for the money... recently, however, I started mucking around with AirRifles... Now they really put adverse forces on a scope. In the process, I discovered Hawke Sports Optics... This beats Mueller, Bushnel, and is easily in a league with Nikon, but at very low prices...

Google them and go through the catalogue. What I really appreciate is the 1/4 clicks are graduated, and you don't need a dime to turn them. The other aspect is customer service. I can attest that it is fantastic. I once had a complaint, and the Owner Brad Bonar, overnited a replacement to me on little more than a promise on my side that I would send the original back....

Their catalogue lists scopes for all applications, from boomers to plinkers, I just can't say enough good about the scopes.


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The Hawke scopes look nice, but there is a gap from $120 to $240 or so, and i am looking at $200 flat. The lower end models don't have the magnification that i want...

Any other makers?
 
I have had a APV and a tactical.. they both held zero perfectly.. APV was a little tight on the eye relief and the tactical was real tight.. Good scopes for the money but you can indeed tell the differance between them and higher dollare scopes.. BTW if this tells you anything, I just bought another..;)
 
i won a 3x9 illuminated scope at at whitetails banquet and it seems to be a decent scope. Picks up light real well anyway.
 
Okay, another question, are there any 'better' scopes for the same of a little more? I just found out my budget is a bit bigger than i thought! So if i can get a better scope....
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I have compared side by side the APV, a Nikon Monarch and a Burris Fullfield II and a Pentax Pioneer. All 4.5X14X42 or very close. Other than the reticle, they are the same, brightness and clarity on the Pentax was just a hair better, you had to be at full zoom to see it. After sunset all four scopes had the same, by my eyes, light gathering.
I own the APV and the Pentax and a bud owns the other two. The APV is 200-300 cheaper than the others. I would not use it on a centerfire, but for a rimfire it's hard to beat for twice the money.
 
I would have no trouble putting a Mueller on a .22LR, at all. I have one on my 10-22 and it has been flawless and the optics are nice and clear. Where I would start to get concerned with build quality would be on heavier recoiling rifles, or on airguns. Not only can you start to have problems due to wear and tear, but you will be pushing the optical envelope more (looking for stuff at 300 yds as opposed to 50, for example). Also, my 10-22 is pretty much a "fair weather" gun. If you use yours to do pest control in low light and crappy weather, its light-gathering may be an issue.

In optics, you usually get what you pay for. Mueller does a nice job of filling the low-end niche with some decent scopes.

Mike
 
Okay, so i am going to order it today. Can anyone tell me what the difference betewwn the "standard plex" and "APV plex" is?

Also, some of you have mentioned airrifles, what are these, just regular pellet rifles? Why would they be harder on scopes than a .22...?


Thanks for your help.
 
from what I have read is the air rifle sends a recoil or shock the other way that tears up most normal scopes since they are built for the recoil or shock load to go the other way only
 
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