Multi-Barreled Confusion...

[washambala]

From what I understand, according to NFA regulation, a shotgun with a barrel under 18" or a rifle under 16" or either one with an OAL under 26" is prohibited without the proper paperwork/tax stamp.

But what about those rifle/shotgun combo guns such as the Springfield M6 and the like? If you were to chop both barrels to 16", how would it be classified? what about 14"?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

It would be classified as a SBS with a barrel length of 16" for both. Both at 14"? I have no clue. Probably either, your choice.

 

[shotgunjoel]

I would say both SBS and SBR. Or HUGE GUESS, AOW???

 

[PTK]

The “any other weapon” definition also includes specifically described weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more but less than 18 inches in length from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading.

Straight from the horse's mouth, either case would be an AOW.

 

[CleverNickname]

But what about if such a firearm had barrels less than 12" long? The law would seem to indicate that it's a title I firearm again, but that seems sort of silly. But then, no one ever said the law had to make sense.

 

[PTK]

Then it's a "firearm made from a rifle/shotgun", still NFA.

 

[CleverNickname]

But the original firearm is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. It has a smooth barrel, so it can't be a rifle and it has a rifled barrel, so it can't be a shotgun. If the original firearm was a rifle or a shotgun, it couldn't be made into an AOW by cutting the barrels down to 12-18". But if the barrels are <12", it's not an AOW by definition.

 

[Sam1911]

But the original firearm is neither a rifle nor a shotgun. It has a smooth barrel, so it can't be a rifle and it has a rifled barrel, so it can't be a shotgun.

That's a completely misleading, and mistaken, statement. It has BOTH a smooth barrel AND a rifled barrel. It may be BOTH a rifle AND a shotgun, but it cannot, possibly, be neither.

That's like saying a girl has blond hair and black eyebrows, so she is neither blond nor brunette. Doesn't make sense.

If the original firearm was a rifle or a shotgun, it couldn't be made into an AOW by cutting the barrels down to 12-18".

True. It would either be a "firearm made from a rifle," or a "firearm made from a shotgun," or both. You'd have to ask an ATF examiner which way you should register it.

But if the barrels are <12", it's not an AOW by definition.

Well, that, and that it wasn't built that way from the factory. Having been cut down from a Title I rifle/shotgun combo, it's classification will have to reflect that.

 

[washambala]

So if its between 18 and 12 inches then its registered as an AOW but if its shorter than that I have to call up BATFE and ask them because it could be any number of things.

 

[Sam1911]

No. I don't think so. I believe if it was ever a full-stocked rifle or shotgun (or rifle AND shotgun) then it becomes a "firearm made from a ..."

I'd call and ask. Chances are, they'll tell you to make it an SBR or SBS and leave it at that, but gotta get it from the horses' mouth.

 

[ugaarguy]

That's a completely misleading, and mistaken, statement. It has BOTH a smooth barrel AND a rifled barrel. It may be BOTH a rifle AND a shotgun, but it cannot, possibly, be neither.

Sam is correct. It is, most definitely, both. Having sold a few of these when I worked for an FFL, here's how it works: (Assuming it's a Title I firearm with both bbls longer than 18", etc) The dealer will put rifle & shotgun in the "type" field, and both the rifle caliber & shotgun gauge in the "caliber or gauge" field of the form 4473. Nothing too painful.