Murders Soar in the UK

[sterling180]

Thx to the two scumbags you mention I was deprived of a 24 gun handgun collection and had a Mini 14 and Stirling 9mm carbine ''neutered'' years before that.

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P95 Carry:Oh dear,well I feel sad that the police had sunk that low,to prey on innocent owners.What were the reasons for the pistols and the M14,to be "neutered"-did you license expire or were you questioned by the cops??

 

[sterling180]

Does anyone have the link to a picture of a British WW2 poster asking for the Allies to ship them privately-owned guns? Vague memory, so maybe I dreamed it...

The weapons that were donated,were only issued to the armys Home Guard units and to civillian militia forces and to Royal Marine Commandos-on rapid deployment to Norway.

Churchill had two 1911A1s and a Thompson smg and the king had a Sten 9mm smg.

Above is the BBC tv showads Army,from the 1970s.This show was started in 1968. This is a comedy show,about a Sussex-based Home Guard unit during ww2,led by an incompetant officer called Captain George Mainwaring,with some other eccentric characters, such as:Fraiser the Scottish undertaker,Jones the butcher and Godfery,the medic.Basically an army of retired soilders,who were misfits-exept Frank "Pike" and Walker-the crook.

 

[Fosbery]

Churchill also had a Mannlicher carbine and a .38 Webley. Thanks to him, 10 Downing Street has a shooting range built into it...I'm sure Tony Blair uses it now, with the targets of German soldiers replaced with the word "Liberties".

IIRC the Home Guard units were mostly armed with Stens, although there were a lot of P14s issued, Webleys for the officers in some cases, and Vickers MGs for units who had defenses to use them in. Some Thompsons also served.

Contrary to the views portrated at the time, and later in Dad's Army, the Home Guard was suprisingly well equipped and trained, considering its part-time nature.

I am a great believer in the Home Guard. I'd love to start up a 'Home Guard' organisation - not affiliated with HM forces of course. However, I'm sure this would fall foul of that law from the time of the Magna Carta, that made 'private armies' illegal.

 

[sterling180]

Churchill also had a Mannlicher carbine and a .38 Webley. Thanks to him, 10 Downing Street has a shooting range built into it...I'm sure Tony Blair uses it now, with the targets of German soldiers replaced with the word "Liberties".

Well,he can't now,because he and John Major had banned handguns,so he probably allows the coppers on his doorstep and in the Downing Street enclosure,use the range for target practise and zeroing,on their Glock17 9mms and MP5 smgs.If Blair owns a handgun,he has to go to jail,because of the stupid laws that he and his party,had forced,upon John Majors Tory party,to create.Nice one big ears,you need a trip to the USA,for some gun handling,you gun-grabbing turd, Blair!!!! Hope that you leave pretty soon,after you defeat in 2009.Down with the GCN and with you.

John Major and Micheal Howard are both traitors,for their conduct,after Dunblane.Typical Tories,selling out the shooters to save their own skin.Stupid citizens of the UK,willing to destroy their rights to arms,because of a couple of turds,with social problems.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

But, but, but.... England has cameras everywhere in many metropolitan areas, and they got rid of their ages old concept of freedom from search and seizure without a valid and oath'd warrant to stop the terrorists, and OOhhh, ooh, they have the most regress.. er um "progressive" gun laws in the Western World. I mean Ben Franklin couldn't have been right. Nah... The Home Office has to be lying.

 

[Fosbery]

Not to defend Tony Blair in any way but:

I was, of course, being sarcastic when I suggested Blair shoots, but if I had been serious, he could still have used the range with a legal firearm.

Glock 17 9mm? As opposed to the Glock 17 .45 ACP?

The Bobby outside 10 Downing Street (the one who stands at the door) is not armed. And if he was, he would be using an MP5 carbine, not an SMG. British police use semi-auto only MP5s the vast majority of the time. Full autos are brought out for planned SWAT-style operations though (I have no idea why, double-tap is far superior to full-auto, and British police use the double-tap method).

/pedantics

 

[sterling180]

Not to defend Tony Blair in any way but:

I was, of course, being sarcastic when I suggested Blair shoots, but if I had been serious, he could still have used the range with a legal firearm.

Glock 17 9mm? As opposed to the Glock 17 .45 ACP?

The Bobby outside 10 Downing Street (the one who stands at the door) is not armed. And if he was, he would be using an MP5 carbine, not an SMG. British police use semi-auto only MP5s the vast majority of the time. Full autos are brought out for planned SWAT-style operations though (I have no idea why, double-tap is far superior to full-auto, and British police use the double-tap method).

Actually,if you see some pictures of the previous PM,John Major, outside Downing Street,the copper on the doorstep is armed with a Glock 17 pistol-on a belt holster.During the Thatcher years,the cops had internal holsters,inside their pant legs,to conceal a Smith and Wesson revolver and this holster was accessed by means of the pants pocket.This is why the cops appears to be unarmed.

PC Trevor Locke,who guarded the Iranian Embassy before it was seized by Iraq gunmen,had a concealed .38,fitted into one of those holsters-which is why the Iraqis,didn't know that he was armed:they thought that British bobbies wern't armed,even those who guarded high-risk places,such as embassies,the Houses of Parliament,Buckingham Palace,etc,etc.Locke drew his .38 and nearly shot Salem in the head,with it-but an SAS trooper did the job for him,by using his MP5.Locke was wrestling with Salem,whilst he drew his gun.

The internal holster was around many years before Thatcher arrived anyway.

As for the MP5s,well you are probably correct,but it is rather silly for those cops,to only have semi-auto carbines,instead of those in smg format.

 

[Sheldon J]

The weapons that were donated,were only issued to the armys Home Guard units and to civillian militia forces and to Royal Marine Commandos-on rapid deployment to Norway.

And then after many an American citizen had sent as a loan to help keep the fascist Germany at bay, after the war’s end instead of doing the honorable thing and returning the borrowed guns, the Morons obviously did not learn their lesson but they took the borrowed property and dumped them into the Atlantic!! Stupid moronic A hole’s.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Following Dunkirk, the British Army had how many small arms?
I have heard 55,000 (fifty-five thousand).
The guns donated through the NRA numbered about 24,000
but that is relying on my old memory.
Given that the home guard often had double barrel shotguns
or pikes, the mixed bag of donated firearms (including a few
Thompson guns) probably helped. The same drive netted thousands
of binoculars, telescopes and similar gear in short supply after Dunkirk.

And unfortunately, it is often cheaper to destroy small arms than ship
them across the Atlantic or Pacific when they are no longer needed.
The US Army destroyed new, unused revolvers and pump shotguns rather
than ship them back from Viet Nam.

 

[Fosbery]

The poorly equipped Home Guard with pikes and shotguns is largely a myth. This situation only existed for a couple of months until UK and US arms production stepped up enough to equip them properly with Stens and P14s.

There's no reason for law enforcement officers to have fully automatic weapons. Double-tap is superior in CQB, aimed shots are superior at long range, and there's no situation where they would need to give such intense supressing fire. I suppose there's not much of an argument for actually taking the function away, but if they're never going to use it, it's just another thing to go wrong with the weapon and another switch to accidentally be flicked.

 

[Boom-stick]

And unfortunately, it is often cheaper to destroy small arms than ship
them across the Atlantic or Pacific when they are no longer needed.
The US Army destroyed new, unused revolvers and pump shotguns rather
than ship them back from Viet Nam.

'Lord of War' illistrates this quite well too.

I'd love to start up a 'Home Guard' organisation - not affiliated with HM forces of course.

ME TOO...

However, I'm sure this would fall foul of that law from the time of the Magna Carta, that made 'private armies' illegal.

But I bet it didn't say anything about a group of people getting together on a purely 'social' basis??????

And I'm sure not all those guys that completely kitted up for airsoft matches haven't got another agenda.... I mean where else could you practise full tactical manovures without raising suspicion including safe weapon handling and accustoming to the use of load bearing equipment etc..

 

[Fosbery]

Yes, I suppose a mil-sim airsoft team who also get together for PSG, minirifle and rifle shooting would be legal

 

[sterling180]

And then after many an American citizen had sent as a loan to help keep the fascist Germany at bay, after the war’s end instead of doing the honorable thing and returning the borrowed guns, the Morons obviously did not learn their lesson but they took the borrowed property and dumped them into the Atlantic!! Stupid moronic A hole’s.

c

Yes and they sold off our confiscated guns (After Hungerford and Dunblane.) to museams,foreign armies and destroyed the rest.I think that they were worried about the communist Labour activists and Mosleys Black Shirt,fascist movement-because they could obtain those guns.(During and after ww2,of course.)After Hungerford,it was suppossed to stop nutters like Mr Ryan,from going nuts with them.