My 2 new FAXON 5.56 AR-15 barrels are (too) overgassed ... sigh

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I think that you meant to type black font. ;)
Might as well. Black on black is about as good as blue on black. BTW. The remote possibility exists we won't have a flood tomorrow as we've had the past several days. Might be able to take the 10.5" for a spin. Getting anxious but since firing weapons in the mud and downpours is no longer mandatory, I elect to punt. :D
 
??? I had no idea that anyone would choose a black background ... which probably has something to do will all the years I spent looking at green characters on black background. :)

I shall leave it at the default (on my screen, black) as imashooter would prefer.
Lol. Sorry about that. Had no idea that black wasn't the default background and other colors were available. I must have changed this a while back. Kind of a night mode deal.
 
Well, I have an AdjGB installed on the 16", ready to test, but some ugly-looking weather is about to descend upon us ... so, I will plan on doing this tomorrow.

Getting the original GB off was surprisingly difficult. One of the two set screws just would not release. Bummer. I finally got it, though. BTW, I had mounted those set screws with zero thread locker, since I was still in project-mode. Odd.

The new AGBs are the 3-screw clamp-on style which I like much better.

I also had to mod the FFHandguard to allow allen wrench access for the side-mounted locking screw on these ABGs, but that alteration process went very smoothly. :)
Be interesting to see how it goes. Hope it goes well. Don't like jumping through hoops unless I'm informed ahead of time that I must.
 
I had forgotten about the "Style Chooser" available on the bottom left of the forum pages.

That said, I am not even going to try any of the other choices because, with the current state of my luck, I would probably get stuck in a style that I did not like.

Have fun with the 10.5", mudman! :)

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I will be de-lighted if dialing down the gas completely solves issue ... but ... there is that part about the 2 fellows at Faxon who think that the conditions of the chambers may be, at least, a contributing factor. <fingers crossed>
 
Use blue Loctite on the threads and re-torque after the barrel cools back down.
I adjust my gas blocks down to cycle my weakest rounds which is usually my reloads and typically never mess with them after that.
 
I just emailed FAXON:

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Good afternoon, fellas!

Well ... looks like you (and my initial reaction) were correct; chamber issue.

I mounted the AdjGB with the end of the adjustment screw visible across about half of the GB gas hole.

Same ammo, same carbine Lower, same backyard, same lawn chair. :)

Shot 1: FTEx with BC locked back and chunk of rim ripped off.

Case easily tapped out and I closed the adj screw one full turn.

Shot 2: FTEx with BC/bolt forward and loose from the case.

Case easily tapped out and I closed the adj screw one half turn.

Shot 3: FTEx with BC/bolt still attached to the case.

A mildly energetic pull on the CH ejected case and I closed the adj screw another one half turn.

Shot 4: FTEx with BC/bolt still attached to the case.

A mildly energetic pull on the CH ejected case and I closed the adj screw another one half turn.

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At this point my GB adjustments were about gone but the process had proved to me that overgas/early-unlock is not the problem.

Mark, below is the information that Pat initially requested (all but my phone number were included in my original missive). Once I send this, I will head downstairs in search of an appropriate box to contain the two barrels for their trip back to the Faxon Mothership ... after I win the battle with the recalcitrant GB set screws on the 20" barrel. :)

Assuming at this point that the chambers are the issue, I am left with a question:

How do barrels out of different Lots (according to Pat) manage to be final-QC-inspected, bagged and shipped with such chambers?

Here are a couple of pics of the 4 cases from my exercise today:

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Thank for your help with this! I look forward to hearing from you.

"GBExpat"
 
Yeah... thats a rough chamber... please don't fire it again until it is fixed.

Those cases are not being allowed to properly release from the chamber walls.
 
The barrels are on their way back to the Faxon Mothership ... dropped them off at the FedEx counter in Walgreens at 8:22 this morning (after completing my shipping at Giant Food and on my way to Super Target).

A few details are still unaddressed ...

someguy2800, the port on the 16" is a shade smaller than .082", perhaps .081". The 20" port, ~.093". All I have to easily work for such measurements with are wire-gauge twist drills that I can check with micrometer or calipers.

Probably the primary reason why I dismissed my initial thought that what I was seeing was a product of bad chambers was ... what are the chances that I bought 2 different Faxon barrels (same style/form-factor but different lengths & Lots) from 2 different vendors weeks apart and they both have such flawed chambers? In addition to that, I had not seen anything in the chambers that might cause an issue.

Well. Sure got that one wrong. :oops:

I received these barrels a day apart. The 20" barrel was part of a long-delayed shipment from Faxon to AR15Discounts. The 16" from Brownells was in-stock and shipped immediately.

Upon removing each from its long, heavy ziplock bag, I visually inspected the exterior, wiping it down as I went, and did a quick look thru the bore whilst pointing the barrel toward the LED ceiling lightbar over the gunbench. I glanced into the chamber while illuminating it with a bright light. I eyeballed relationship of the gas port and barrel extension pin (did they appear to be reasonably well lined up?). I then secured the barrel in one of my Lohman Sight Vises and ran a couple of mineral spirit (MS) dampened patches thru the bore, followed by one pass of a relatively new phosphor-bronze .223 rifle bore brush, followed by another MS patch and then a dry patch. I cleaned the chamber with a MS-dampened mop and then dried it. I then patched the bore & chamber with eezox-dampened patches and repeated the process on the 2nd barrel.

At the end of that, I dry-patched both bore+chambers and wiped down both barrels with my "eezox flannel" and placed them "in the breeze" overnight.

When I came back in after discovering the problems, I added some phosphor-bronze brush-action to my chamber-cleaning approach.

I guess that about covers it ... :)

OH ... who needs thread locker on their gas block set screws? GOOD LORD! :what: I put them on firmly but dry and 3 of 4 were a *$%@#* to get off.





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Use the Blue Locktite. It's softset and the screws will come out.
<chuckle> Unless you are saying the blue loctite actually acts as a lubricant during removal, I think that you may have missed my point.

Since I was still in project mode I put them in with no thread locker and snugged them up (but not gorilla tight) for the testfiring phases and after only firing a few shots thru them I was hard-pressed to get the bleed'n things loose. :)
 
The barrels are on their way back to the Faxon Mothership ... dropped them off at the FedEx counter in Walgreens at 8:22 this morning (after completing my shipping at Giant Food and on my way to Super Target).

A few details are still unaddressed ...

someguy2800, the port on the 16" is a shade smaller than .082", perhaps .081". The 20" port, ~.093". All I have to easily work for such measurements with are wire-gauge twist drills that I can check with micrometer or calipers.

Probably the primary reason why I dismissed my initial thought that what I was seeing was a product of bad chambers was ... what are the chances that I bought 2 different Faxon barrels (same style/form-factor but different lengths & Lots) from 2 different vendors weeks apart and they both have such flawed chambers? In addition to that, I had not seen anything in the chambers that might cause an issue.

Well. Sure got that one wrong. :oops:

I received these barrels a day apart. The 20" barrel was part of a long-delayed shipment from Faxon to AR15Discounts. The 16" from Brownells was in-stock and shipped immediately.

Upon removing each from its long, heavy ziplock bag, I visually inspected the exterior, wiping it down as I went, and did a quick look thru the bore whilst pointing the barrel toward the LED ceiling lightbar over the gunbench. I glanced into the chamber while illuminating it with a bright light. I eyeballed relationship of the gas port and barrel extension pin (did they appear to be reasonably well lined up?). I then secured the barrel in one of my Lohman Sight Vises and ran a couple of mineral spirit (MS) dampened patches thru the bore, followed by one pass of a relatively new phosphor-bronze .223 rifle bore brush, followed by another MS patch and then a dry patch. I cleaned the chamber with a MS-dampened mop and then dried it. I then patched the bore & chamber with eezox-dampened patches and repeated the process on the 2nd barrel.

At the end of that, I dry-patched both bore+chambers and wiped down both barrels with my "eezox flannel" and placed them "in the breeze" overnight.

When I came back in after discovering the problems, I added some phosphor-bronze brush-action to my chamber-cleaning approach.

I guess that about covers it ... :)

OH ... who needs thread locker on their gas block set screws? GOOD LORD! :what: I put them on firmly but dry and 3 of 4 were a *$%@#* to get off.





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Perhaps I'm not finding it. Did you draw any conclusions from the examination? Did Faxon offer any possibilities as to the issues you experienced? Thanks.
 
Faxon suggested that the culprit may be residual salt deposits from the nitriding process.

That is possible... but shouldn't that have been cleaned out of the chamber and bore ?!
Sounds like your barrels may have missed a step in manufacturing.
 
That is possible... but shouldn't that have been cleaned out of the chamber and bore ?!
Sounds like your barrels may have missed a step in manufacturing.
That and/or there was no proper QC Inspection prior to bagging the units for shipment. O'course, that assumes that such "residual salt deposits" are plainly visible.

The fact that "residual salt deposits" was immediately put forth the Faxon Rep as a possible cause strongly suggests to me that they are not strangers to this specific issue.
 
Residual salts = a roughly finished barrel I suppose. Had them on the outside surface of a blue Colt pistol once and I can certainly see how a chamber would show it's displeasure with this firearm "skin condition". I too thoroughly clean and lube new firearms but don't inspect to the degree that is perhaps needed but shouldn't be.

I and other have "mostly" concluded my chamber wasn't finished to the degree it should have been or perhaps as mentioned here, residual salts. As I said, it runs great however, the roughness of the chamber begs for a thorough chamber cleaning after each firing session or suffer an expedited build-up of carbon. Seriously considering a "semi-polishing" with Flitz and a drill and see if that'll smooth it down enough but by no means go too smooth with it. Sure don't feel like removing the barrel and sending it in. However, .........

" The fact that "residual salt deposits" was immediately put forth the Faxon Rep as a possible cause strongly suggests to me that they are not strangers to this specific issue."

Perhaps foolishly, I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt. I can see where that would quickly come to mind from a manufacturer as being the cause. I the lay-person would never have thought of that. But minimally they need to have little talk with their QC folks or review and modify the QC process.
 
Yeah, as compae
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Benefit of the doubt? :confused:

<chuckle> I am not suggesting an evil conspiracy or any bad intent on their part, just that it sounds to me like something with which they have had experience even if that experience takes the form of a training BOLO. :)
:) Yeah, benefit of the doubt as compared to "...... strongly suggests to me that they are not strangers to this specific issue.". I Flitzed the chamber this evening with a couple of .38 / 9mm mops, Flitz, drill. Did 6 one minute sessions. Wanted to do 10 but was pressed for time. Hopefully test it tomorrow and see if the brass is less marred. I do agree whatever the reason needs addressing asap. Your two barrels from perhaps different lots, my 10.5" barrel and to a lesser degree, my months old 16" barrel. As saturated as the market is these days with the average citizen owning 20,000 ARs and most owners rarely firing them, I can understand vast under-reporting of this possibly common problem with Faxon barrels. Hope that isn't the case.
 
OK, now I understand.

Since I collect old milsurps, I have probably had more experience than most with correcting (trying to correct :)) poor chamber conditions. I recall there was this one SVT-40 with a thoroughly and uniformly frosted chamber that reeeeally hated to release cases. I carefully polished that chamber (with abrasive polishing compounds) repeatedly until it would reliably release cases. While the chamber dimensions were little changed, in that one, I only shot the berdan-primed ammo that I would not be reloading. ;)
 
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Residual salts In Nitride barrels is nothing new are uncommon. Manufacturers don’t punch each bore with a patch. I have seen residual salts that almost filled the barrels on some. Had to use an air compressor to blow it out. It was like fine black sand. After running a few patches through the bore was like black glass. Residual salts Can be as little as just a very thin flim almost like carbon. Of all the AR’s I have built, most with Nitride barrels, I have to polish one chamber.
Faxon will stand behind their barrels and replace it if need be.
 
Great info on the subject. Thanks for sharing that, Gunny! :)

This is my first experience buying Nitride rifle barrels. Learning. Learning.

Faxon will stand behind their barrels and replace it if need be.
Of that I have no doubt. I am looking forward to moving forward with this project when they return the repaired or replaced barrels to me.

I wish that I still had my young eyesight for irons. It is a sadness to me to have to add the weight/bulk of optics to achieve accuracy in my longgun shooting.
 
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OK, now I understand.

Since I collect old milsurps, I have probably had more experience than most with correcting (trying to correct :)) poor chamber conditions. I recall there was this one SVT-40 with a thoroughly and uniformly frosted chamber that reeeeally hated to release cases. I carefully polished that chamber (with abrasive polishing compounds) repeatedly until it would reliably release cases. While the chamber dimensions were little changed, in that one, I only shot the berdan-primed ammo that I would not be reloading. ;)
If you polish the chamber in the Faxon barrel, you will remove the nitride coating.
 
If you polish the chamber in the Faxon barrel, you will remove the nitride coating.
Need to do your homework. Nitride is a metal treatment that harden the surface it’s not a coating . The treatment causes the surface to turn black . If the Black is removed the metal is still Nitride treated. It’s not like bluing that only covers the surface.
 
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