My 9mm reload sucks!

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I need to vent :fire: Can't seem to get any consistent grouping out of my XD9 tactical at 25yd. I have use 115gr., 124gr., and 147gr. precision delta bullet with titegroup, 231, hs6, unique, and power pistol at 1.156 oal. The gun was sent back to SA and they return it with a test fire target at 2.5" group at 25yd. using federal premium 147gr. jhp. I can easily shoot a 6" group at 25yd. with my 45acp, 357mag, and 44mag reloads. Any suggestion appreciated.
 
Perhaps your gun doesn't like that brand of bullets. Have you asked anyone else to shoot it? Preferably an experienced handgunner. If that doesn't work, here's my advice:

1. Slug the bore and see what the REAL bore diameter is. Betcha it's .358".

2. Buy appropriate diameter bullets.

3. Segregate brass by headstamp.

4. Adjust dies for the headstamp of brass you elected to use. Brass from different manufacturers are frequently significantly different in thickness.

5. Go to range and sandbag the gun. Shoot slowly, and concentrate. Think positive thoughts while you shoot. See if things don't improve.
 
What will it do if you bench rest it? 25 yards is what I shoot and you are correct. You should see at least a 6" pattern at that distance. My Firestar M43 is capable of 4" group at 25 yards. Now me? Not so good...:eek:

I will bet the manufacture used a Ransom Rest or simular device to test your handgun...
 
I would also agree the factory most likely used a Ransom Rest to fire the gun.

Keep in mind the stock sights are "combat 3 dot" and they will mostly occlude the bullseye area at 25yards.
 
Try different bullets and see if it likes something else better. Sometimes a barrel just doesn' like some bullets.
 
SA told me they use a regular benchrest and not a ransom rest. The bullet I'm using are .355 and I can't seem to find any fmj bullet bigger than .356 I have also shot inexpensive factory ammo with bad result and my best result was federal premium ammo which cost around $20. I'm also using only Rem. brass loading on a Lee classic turret press and I check my powder which are consistent. My oal are +/- .004
 
Try using some of your .357 Magnum bullets (especially if you have some 125's) and see if the extra bullet diameter helps.
 
For 9mm I would closely check the taper crimp. Overcrimping could cause the cartridge to go in too far since it headspaces on the rim. You should also get some misfires if this is occurring (you don't mention if that's ever a problem).
 
2.5" group at 25 yards, give me a break, it is not going to happen, it's just amazing the guys that think they have 8 inches really only have 4 inches---and thats the way it is!!!
Lets get real!!
 
ok you got some good responses to sum it up lets look at some things

check your reloads if you have some still left mic them out for oal.
Then when your reloading make sure you do the following or check for the following.

1. clean primer pockets and flash holes.
2. make sure all brass is uniformaly the same after sizing. ie length width
3. make sure your powder is all the same exact charge by weight.
4. check the oal length to make sure they are the same
5. make sure you have a good crimp but not over crimp

1a. When using one type of bullet dont automaticly change when you dont get the results.
2a. Remember to work up a load. load 24 rounds. 6 rounds 115gr at 5 grains then 6 at 5.5 then 6 at 6grains then 6 at 6.5 grains. (note this is just an example)
3a record your results. you will find that not all guns like the max load. some will shoot perfect at just the standard load.
4a. Now that you shot 24 bullets at 115 grain. switch powders to see if it makes a difference. Check the burn rate of the powders to pin point weather that bullet in your gun prefers a slower burning or faster burning powder at a given charge.

Now change bullets. you dont always have to go bigger on bullets. As some mentioned you may want to stick with a certain grain. Just try a different brand. Your trying to dial in a round to fit the habits of the way you shoot through your gun with a specific load to get a desire results. Stick in there it takes a while. Some can get it on the first try. Some takes longer
 
(2.5" group at 25 yards, give me a break, it is not going to happen, it's just amazing the guys that think they have 8 inches really only have 4 inches---and thats the way it is!!!
Lets get real!!)

SA provided the test target with 5 shot and I measure the 5 shot group at 2.5"
 
Ditto on the info. Hey, actionflies. I believe you. I used to have a stock out of the box Browning Hi-Power MKIII that would shoot groups of 2.5" or even better if I had the right load and took my time on the sights and trigger. Your XD9 just might be able to shoot very good groups. PLEASE get the bore diameter checked on your XD9. And even before that, start shooting your loads close up (7 to 10 yards) and see if it is just you and the gun not getting along. If you can hit well at that distance, then work your distances further out. Do that with the best ammo you've used, and try some of the reloads too. I have had some of my 9's that needed more concentration to shoot better until I got used to them. Be an "over-analytical lab scientist" with it for just a few minutes - it might just pay off.
 
Have you tried factory loads?

I have a XD-9 and I can get 4" pattern at 25 yard shooting two handed without a rest. I normally shoot Winchester whitebox 115g FMJ

I'm still working on a ideal reload for mine.

-C
 
Many factors here. Have someone else shoot it to make sure it is not you. Check bore diameter and try some other bullets. Some times the powder can make a difference also.
I do not like to go either min or max on my reloads, I have never found either to be very good for accuracy. Different bullets may also help in the accuracy department.
I very seldom use all the components that a reloading manual used, I always start below mid level for a load and work to where I want to be.
Some firearms especially handguns just do not fit us and we can not get accuracy from them.
Hope you find the problem and answer.
 
I'm not sure I read that right...Use a .357 125 grain bullet in place of a.355 bullet in a 9mm X 19? Did I read that right? Uh-huh...Don't...Lookin' for a stuck bullet or worse. Maybe lead, but....
 
I had a Ruger P 89 that would not shoot anything but 147 gr bullets well,so as some have said check bore diameter and just for giggles rate of twist. Had a problem with a Baretta 92,slugged the bore and found it was on the high side of .356" was told by the factory that 9mm Luger can run as high as .358". 38 super would be considered 9mm but loads that I have seen for 38 Super use bullets of up to .358" Rate of twist for 9mm Luger is 1 in10,I purchased a barrel from Bar-Sto for the Baretta .3555" and 1 in16 twist and it will shoot both lead and jacketed equally well.
 
Doesn't the xd have polygonal rifling? I've always heard that lead bullets, like the precision delta bullets you're using, tend to not shoot as accurate with this rifling as fmj.
 
I agree with the other posters, try various factory loads and see what your guns does. If they're all uniformly crummy, it may be that your gun simply will not run most ammo accurately at 25 yards. If that is the case, you are going to have to decide how important that is to you.

FWIW, I have managed a sub 2" group from a Glock 19 with 124gr GDHP (+p)s before. (5 shots, 1.7".) Even some of my crummy handloads with Berry's Bullets (147gr RN) did 4.3". I blame that disparity on the Berry's, they aren't that great in terms of ultimate accuracy. I've never really done better than the 2" out of even some JHP handloads, so I figure that is about as accurate as said Glock 19 is going to run.
 
Below is a target from 25 yards with my Springfiled XD9 Service. I use 5.0 grains of Unique and a 125 grain TC Shaped bullet.

OAL is the same as a Winchester White box FMJ 115 grain bullet. This was with mixed brass. It was loaded with a hand press, and I think it is pretty good.

I hope you get your load down. I would try a different bullet.
 

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A suggestion was to use a 357mag 125gr. .358 diameter for my XD9. I test loaded one without powder & primer and it didn't look right. Bad idea!!!:eek: Can we all say stuck bullet.:cuss:
 
A suggestion was to use a 357mag 125gr. .358 diameter for my XD9. I test loaded one without powder & primer and it didn't look right. Bad idea!!! Can we all say stuck bullet. :cuss:

Well we can say it, but it doesn't mean anything. The cartridge probably had an hourglass shape to it. That doesn't matter. How did it chamber? Obviously you wouldn't start with a maximum load because the pressure may run higher if the bullet is too tight. But it's not going to stick in the barrel. (it might if you forget to add the powder...) What you have to be careful about is firing out-of-battery if it doesn't chamber properly.
 
actionflies:
You need to be more specific with your load data for your 9mm load before I can determine whats wrong with it.

I didn't know Precision Delta made jacketed bullets. (I know Bobby Tranum, owner of company).

He buys the Jacketed bullets in bulk from outside vendors. The last I saw were Hornady. (its been about 4yrs since I saw him, or his ammo at the NRA Police Nationals at Jackson, MS)

First, you have to match the propellant to the specific bullet.
Precision used to produce the most accurate factory ammo for 9mm. A LOT of NRA PPC records were set by it by the Miss. Highway Patrol shooters. Not so, since changing bullet and powder vendors.

For the 115gr Bullet, I find that it's necessary to seat the bullet a bit deeper than you are (1.156"). I seat the Hornady 115's (and very similar Montana Gold) as well as Rainier HP to 1.10" oal. With the Remington 115JHP, I use 1.125", which is what P-D used before they swithched to Hornady bullets about 10yrs ago. This seats the bullet deep enough in the case for proper alignment and minimize run-out.(you can check for this by rolling the loaded round on a smooth flat surface such as a counter top. The tip of the bullet shouldn't wobble).
I've found that Win #231 is excellent in the 115gr @ 5.0gr (what P-D used before switching to a "cleaner" burning powder) However, I prefer Winchester SuperField @ 5.2gr.

For the 124gr bullet, you can seat a bit further out. For the Remington,Speer, and Rainier, I again use 1.125". Again, I use WSF @4.8gr

For the 147gr bullets, I seat to 1.135" oal. (most all HP's). And, I use 4.5gr of WSF (note that this is~+P loading). This too, is what PD used to use before going to IMI630.
Anderson Cart. (of Greenville,SC) used this in their 147JHP along with a Hornady 147gr XTP before they closed up shop. Many competitors favored this over the P-D offering as they seated the bullet out a bit further (P-D still used the 1.105" oal that they used with the 115gr load, but a lighter 4.2gr charge- (at least in the two lot#'s I pulled.).

I hope this helps steer you in the right direction.

FWIW; the XD's DON'T have polygonal rifling. It's conventional in the two I own.
FWIW; my XD9 subcompact will shoot ~2.5" at 25yds.,also my XD45, with "select" loads. (but the S&W PPC-9's I use in competiton will shoot ~1.0" or under. My 5" PPC-9 shot a .770" six shot group last Wed. with the Nosler 115JHP @ 1.080"oal, over 5.2gr of WSF in a OFB Precision-Delta headstamped case [starline] and a Winchester small pistol primer.)

With a cast 120gr TC, I use Hodgdon's LongShot at 1.080" oal
(how much, I won't say! I cast the bullets, too.). From my 6"PPC-9, suffice to say it's a ragged hole at 25yds, for as many shots as you want to put through that 1"x1" hole. (after 12rds, the hole don't get no bigger than that).
Thats the load that my XD9 likes. In the 45XD it's a 200gr SWC @ 1.255" oal over 3.8gr of Hod. Clays.

I doubt that your XD9 has a .356" or larger bore. Mine's right at .355".
 
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