My Brand new Glock 19 jammed 3 times in 150 rounds.

[stevereno1]

I Have never had a jam in either of my glocks. I don't know what to tell you.

 

[sturmgewehr]

Based on 209 voters. You can hardly base an entire manufacturer's reliability on 209 votes.

It's 209 current Kimber owners in a pro-Kimber forum (likely to be pretty honest). Are you suggesting that it's a bad sample? You know, people spread out across the country who purchased their guns at different times vs. people in the same town or state that purchased them roughly at the same time? It's a very good sample...

Hell, they can poll 1,000 people and can tell you who the next President will be many times, and within a few points.

LOL, I just loving readying silly excuses.

As for the Glocks, I'm not arguing they are junk or that they are poorly made. I believe quite the opposite to be true. I was taking issue with your notion a company could turn out 5% lemons and be forced out of business. Sure, it could happen but there are companies that turn out product that have a much higher failure rate than 5% and still have a loyal following. Heck, Colt did for YEARS (high failure rate) and throughout their darkest hours they still had loyalists and people buying their products.

 

[bdg146]

Ok, so I shouldn't say they would be out of business if that were the case. What I should have said is that they wouldn't have such a reputation for reliability if that were the case. It really wasn't the point of my post. And, I'm not really defending Glock either. I'm not a fan of them, never owned one, never will. The only reason I posted what I did was to point out how ridiculous it is for someone to compare a malfunctioning Glock to a unicorn and how ridiculous some Glock worshipers can be. Not exactly sure why you jumped all over me for this, but be my guest.

Are you suggesting that it's a bad sample?

And to answer your question, yes, as a matter of fact, I am. Feel free to believe everything you see on the internet if you wish, but for me, I ignore most of it. To suggest that a poll on a message board that has no rules/restrictions on
1) who may vote
2) the honesty of voters
3) how many times one may vote (different user names)
To suggest such a poll is a GOOD sample is unbelievable, especially considering the vast majority of Kimber owners probably do not frequent that site, or have never been there.

But considering the following fact:
You mention it was posted on a Kimber forum. Most likely, there are a good number of people on that forum that have more than one Kimber, since it is a pro-Kimber site, correct? Now, each person gets ONE vote. Not one vote PER kimber, one vote TOTAL. More than 5% of Kimbers weren't reported in that poll to have malfunctions. More than 5% of Kimber OWNERS reported having a problem. Surely some of the Kimber owners who reported a failure have 1, 2, or more other Kimbers that they haven't had a problem with. However, those Kimbers are ignored in this poll since the malfunctioning one is the one that gets the vote. In addition, surely some of the Kimber owners who reported no malfunctions have more than one kimber. However, their 2, 3, etc. Kimbers were all lumped in to ONE vote. To take that fact and translate that into "5% of Kimbers have a major malfunction" is illogical and just plain wrong.

But yeah, I'm done now. Sorry to the OP for derailing the thread, although it was pretty derailed already I suppose.

 

[chieftain]

Are you suggesting that it's a bad sample?

Yup.

Hell, they can poll 1,000 people and can tell you who the next President will be many times, and within a few points.

Yea, just like in the New Hampshire primary. Phooie.....

I own 5 Kimbers, and right now 3 glocks. Over the years I have owned an additional 13 Glocks that have come and gone.

I find no problems with my Kimbers, and on my own Glocks the only CONSISTENT problem over the years has been the magazines. Many folks will use an answer along the lines, "It wasn't the gun, it was the magazines."

I guess that is the epitaph they want on their tombstones. The tombstones needed because their weapon jammed. It is exactly the same problem when one uses poor/bad ammunition.

The weapon is a system. Any break down in the system will put you in the ground. It doesn't matter why. Now with all that said, we don't live in the world of possibilities, but the world of probabilities.

The longer any weapon system works for you reliably, the more one can expect it to be reliable the next time it is used. With one major proviso. It must be maintained and Cleaned per manufacturers standard.

Frankly, I find many very reliable weapons appear unreliable due to the lack of cleaning or maintenance.

Understand I am an old Marine DI. I put weapon maintenance and cleanliness on a religious basis. Maybe even a higher level. I have seen men I knew die because of dirty, unmaintained weapons. Never saw anyone die from no other reason than neglecting their religion.

It appears that todays Glock magazines are much better and reliable, to me, than the early high capacity mags of the Pre Ban days, even the metal lined ones.

Well, I think Glock today is much more reliable than any earlier Glock. I think they have solved many of their fundamental problems with their numerous non recall, recalls. Today I think it is a very good pistol.

With all this hogwash stated, all weapons fail. It is a matter of degree. I don't believe that Glock is necessarily the best at this measure, but it is one of the best. The difference very marginal, it isn't critical or really important.

I prefer other platforms, personally. But that is entirely for subjective personal reasons.

Because of medical and other reasons today, when I carry a 45 acp, I carry a Colt. When I carry 9mm I carry a Browning Hipower.

Right now when I shoot the Steel Challenge I shoot a Glock 34. When I shoot IDPA or Bowling pins, I shoot a 1911. When I shoot low light competitions I shoot 191l. But I am thinking of using the 34 for the low light stuff. But I still need a holster for the 34 and X200. The X200A's, I have 2 that are about to be replaced by the X300 for outside use. Will continue to use the X200B for inside work. Just ain't got off my duff and get a Holster to hold the gun and light for the 34. I use a Sidearmor version for my Kimber Warriors(2) with the lights attached.

Soon I will be using one of my Hipowers to shoot IDPA.

I cannot shoot my SIG's or revolvers much anymore for medical reasons. I truly miss them.

So there it is. I am not a Glock kool aide drinker, but far from a basher. Facts must be accepted for what they are. Facts. But every weapon has strengths, and every weapon has a weakness. It is my job as the operator to be intimately aware of them, and operate accordingly.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I called GLOCK USA this morning and they want the pistol back. I'll box it up and ship it out. I'll post again with an update.

If this is a true story

Ya' got me man; I've got nothing better to do with my time than to come on a damn internet forum and complain about a gun I dont really own.

 

[AJD]

Hopefully they can make things right for you.

Also,

Threads talking about S&W locks and any problems with Glocks tend to bring out high levels of immaturity in some people don't let it bother you.

 

[Jason_G]

I called GLOCK USA this morning and they want the pistol back. I'll box it up and ship it out. I'll post again with an update.


Quote:
If this is a true story

Ya' got me man; I've got nothing better to do with my time than to come on a damn internet forum and complain about a gun I dont really own.

Glad to hear you're on your way to getting it all resolved.

Jason

 

[sinistr]

glocks are ugly,they rattle and have squishy triggers.plus the one i carry whispers swear words in a stuttering hiss when im in line at the liquer store....which people attribute to me!no,no,i say... it was my gun!butt no one believes me seriously,i have had alot of glocks with no real problems.try the remedies recommended,it could be you might have a lemon.don't be concerned,glock has outstanding cs.they will make it right.

 

[chauncey]

It took me a while to get around to polymer handguns, after years of shooting sigs, 1911's etc.. Initially, I had some jambs. don't think it is impossible for an experienced handgunner to limp wrist. I passed on Kahr, because the ones I fired never seemed to cycle reliably.

It wasn't the weapon, it was me.

 

[Firepower!]

If its brand new..

If your Glock is brand new then take it back in for an exchange for a new one. I have had Glock 19 for past 14 years and it never jammed. It is possible that a gun may jam. After all we are dealing with a machine...and machines sometime do mal functions. I never keep a gun that jams on me. What if it was a situation scenario??

If you are not up to take it back in then try different ammo. Best ammo out there is by US or Serbian for 9mm.

 

[Wedge]

Ammunition was Monarch

There's your answer. I used it once in my Glock with terrible results. Took me 3x longer to clean the gun than with domesitic brands.

Good luck.

 

[vandergl]

did you by chance clean out the copper colored flakes (factory lube) in the slide? If you've not owned a glock and mistakenly clean those out it'll jam until you lubricate the slide.

 

[stevereno1]

Try good ammo first, if it happens again, call Glock H.Q. in Smyrna, Ga. They'll either fix said pistol, or replace it. Glocks ain't supposed to jam, so I'd be pissed too!

 

[Tecolote]

Are you using ten rounders with 2183 mag followers? Swap them for #3 followers and your problems should be solved.

 

[MarcusWendt]

If this is a true story

It's comments like this that give Glockians a bad name.

I've seen Glocks fail. It happens. Some of you who took that whole "Glock Perfection" thing hook, line, and sinker need to get into rehab.

Could it be the ammo? Sure, but it could also be the gun.

 

[pbearperry]

What's a Glock?Is it black?

 

[PhillyGlocker]

I'm calling BS. People create these threads to try and discredit Glocks. When Glocks jam, it's ammo related. This thread is a conspiracy in the making.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I'm calling BS. People create these threads to try and discredit Glocks. When Glocks jam, it's ammo related. This thread is a conspiracy in the making.

Update:

I got the gun back a few weeks ago. I'll give a range report as soon as I get a chance to test it out. I've been working overtime and havent had a chance to get to the range. Factory says there is absolutely nothing wrong with the gun. They also told me the gun should fire fine with Monarch, and the service person I spoke to did not tell me to stop using it. They did replace the magazine I had marked for free. They also covered shipping back to me , which I thought was cool.

 

[Deputy25]

I have four Glocks, bought my 19 in the early 90s. I've never had a malfunction of any type. All factory jacketed ammo. Please let us know how your problem pans out. Glocks are as reliable as a democratic tax increase.

 

[ZombiesAhead]

I am almost positive you were not holding the pistol tight enough. I have a G19 and from the first shot (through several thousand) the ONLY jams I have ever had have been:

1. When I first shot it and did not grip it tight enough

2. When others unfamiliar with pistols or smaller people have shot it and not held it tight enough

"Limp-wristing" is a fact, at least with the G19. I know this from experience and I could recreate a limp-wrist jam on any day of the week for anyone who doesn't understand the physics behind it.

 

[okiewita40]

I'll second alexd. The only time I have ever had a glock or any polymer framed pistol jam on me has been because i did not grip it tight enough. This was caused by single handed rapid fire. It is just the nature of the beast. YMMV

 

[MarcusWendt]

I'm calling BS. People create these threads to try and discredit Glocks. When Glocks jam, it's ammo related. This thread is a conspiracy in the making.

LMAO!!!!!!

 

[pbearperry]

OK I am back from Glock rehab....Now what?

 

[1KPerDay]

They did replace the magazine I had marked for free. They also covered shipping back to me , which I thought was cool.

That is cool. In a fair world they should also have covered your shipping costs to them.

 

[Coronach]

It's 209 current Kimber owners in a pro-Kimber forum (likely to be pretty honest). Are you suggesting that it's a bad sample?

If he isn't, I am. No internet forum poll is worth the electrons its transmitted with, scientifically speaking. Now, can it still be useful information? Sure, but you need to be aware of its utter lack of scientific value.

You know, people spread out across the country who purchased their guns at different times vs. people in the same town or state that purchased them roughly at the same time?

The problem is not with any of that, but with selection bias. Who goes to an internet discussion forum for a specific type of gun? People who really like their guns, people who really hate their guns, and people who are having problems with their guns. Say what you like about one group cancelling the other out, but that's unbridled and unwarranted optimism. What's missing is the big fat middle of the bell curve, where the people who aren't haters and aren't fanboys dwell.

It's a very good sample...

Take a statistics class and a research methods class and get back to me on that.

Hell, they can poll 1,000 people and can tell you who the next President will be many times, and within a few points.

Yeah, because they actually use randomization in their sample selection.

LOL, I just loving readying silly excuses.

Heh. OK.

As for the Glocks, I'm not arguing they are junk or that they are poorly made. I believe quite the opposite to be true. I was taking issue with your notion a company could turn out 5% lemons and be forced out of business. Sure, it could happen but there are companies that turn out product that have a much higher failure rate than 5% and still have a loyal following. Heck, Colt did for YEARS (high failure rate) and throughout their darkest hours they still had loyalists and people buying their products.

That's probably true. I doubt their failure rate was that high (5% is massize), but there are a lot of companies that produce bad product but survive on their logo...for a while.

Mike