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I spoke with an ATF officer today and he said it sounds like I've done my homework but it is not his call to make and it is really a court matter. I've spoken with some NRA legal folks and they said (what I already figured) that I would not be allowed to file anything against the government due to lack of standing...
One of the most crucial parts of the Gun Control Act of 1968 reads-
d) The Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition --
(1) is being imported or brought in for scientific or research purposes, or is for use in connection with competition or training pursuant to chapter 401 of title 10;
(2) is an unserviceable firearm, other than a machinegun as defined in section 5845(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (not readily restorable to firing condition), imported or brought in as a curio or museum piece;
(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus military firearms, except in any case where the Secretary has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled; or
I first asked the ATF by what authority does the secretary decide and what criteria are used, and who is to declare what is "generally recognized" as a sporting purpose...
He then went on to list the "objectionable features" such as the pistol grip, bayonet mount, ability to accept a detachable magazine in excess of ten rounds, a folding stock, etc...
I then immediately pointed out that as the Ohio State Supreme Court already ruled in a case that resulted in the overturning of the Columbus assault weapons ban, a rifle that will accept a detachable magazine will accept one of any capacity, and that the capacity of the magazine does not determine anything...
The Ohio State Supreme Court found that the local laws in Columbus which banned any semi-automatic rifle that could accept a detachable magazine in excess of (I want to say 10 or perhaps 20 rounds) was vague, arbitrary, and violated the equal protection offered by the Constitution, in that a man could have a rifle such as a Mini-14, which came with a 5 round magazine, and never even know that 30 round magazines existed, and yet he would still be held liable. It was ruled, by the Ohio State Supreme Court, that the rifle has no bearing on the magazine and that the ability to accept one detachable magazine automatically means it has the ability to accept any detachable magazine, made by anybody, even years after the gun was designed and made with whatever original magazine it came with.
Anyway, of course that is just in Ohio and has no effect on a national level... However...
Next I asked the ATF officer, "If those objectionable features are the criteria by which a weapon, say a semi-automatic Galil, is kept from being imported, and the text of the law says "readily adaptable" for a sporting purpose, and the presence of those features makes them be classified as 'un-sporting' then all that is needed is the ability to remove them, not even the actual act of removing them... If they have the potential to be readily adapted for a sporting purpose, meaning the pistol grip is actually able to be taken off, the folding stock can be replaced with a fixed stock, the bayonet mount can be removed, then they have the characteristic of being readily adaptable... Nothing in the law says they must be adapted to be imported; it simply says that they must possess the quality of being able to be adapted."
He told me that it seems very sound/solid, but he was not the person to debate the matter with, and that it would have to obviously be a matter raised in some legal/court venue.
Since the only criteria the ATF use to determine "sporting nature" of a weapon is a list of cosmetic features, and the law says if the weapon can be readily adapted to be "sporting" then rifles with those features, EVEN ALL OF THOSE FEATURES, can be imported (by the letter of the law), so long as enough of those features can be easily removed... According to the law they don't actually need to be removed, just having the potential to be easily removed.
That is what the law states...
One of the most crucial parts of the Gun Control Act of 1968 reads-
d) The Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition --
(1) is being imported or brought in for scientific or research purposes, or is for use in connection with competition or training pursuant to chapter 401 of title 10;
(2) is an unserviceable firearm, other than a machinegun as defined in section 5845(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 (not readily restorable to firing condition), imported or brought in as a curio or museum piece;
(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus military firearms, except in any case where the Secretary has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled; or
I first asked the ATF by what authority does the secretary decide and what criteria are used, and who is to declare what is "generally recognized" as a sporting purpose...
He then went on to list the "objectionable features" such as the pistol grip, bayonet mount, ability to accept a detachable magazine in excess of ten rounds, a folding stock, etc...
I then immediately pointed out that as the Ohio State Supreme Court already ruled in a case that resulted in the overturning of the Columbus assault weapons ban, a rifle that will accept a detachable magazine will accept one of any capacity, and that the capacity of the magazine does not determine anything...
The Ohio State Supreme Court found that the local laws in Columbus which banned any semi-automatic rifle that could accept a detachable magazine in excess of (I want to say 10 or perhaps 20 rounds) was vague, arbitrary, and violated the equal protection offered by the Constitution, in that a man could have a rifle such as a Mini-14, which came with a 5 round magazine, and never even know that 30 round magazines existed, and yet he would still be held liable. It was ruled, by the Ohio State Supreme Court, that the rifle has no bearing on the magazine and that the ability to accept one detachable magazine automatically means it has the ability to accept any detachable magazine, made by anybody, even years after the gun was designed and made with whatever original magazine it came with.
Anyway, of course that is just in Ohio and has no effect on a national level... However...
Next I asked the ATF officer, "If those objectionable features are the criteria by which a weapon, say a semi-automatic Galil, is kept from being imported, and the text of the law says "readily adaptable" for a sporting purpose, and the presence of those features makes them be classified as 'un-sporting' then all that is needed is the ability to remove them, not even the actual act of removing them... If they have the potential to be readily adapted for a sporting purpose, meaning the pistol grip is actually able to be taken off, the folding stock can be replaced with a fixed stock, the bayonet mount can be removed, then they have the characteristic of being readily adaptable... Nothing in the law says they must be adapted to be imported; it simply says that they must possess the quality of being able to be adapted."
He told me that it seems very sound/solid, but he was not the person to debate the matter with, and that it would have to obviously be a matter raised in some legal/court venue.
Since the only criteria the ATF use to determine "sporting nature" of a weapon is a list of cosmetic features, and the law says if the weapon can be readily adapted to be "sporting" then rifles with those features, EVEN ALL OF THOSE FEATURES, can be imported (by the letter of the law), so long as enough of those features can be easily removed... According to the law they don't actually need to be removed, just having the potential to be easily removed.
That is what the law states...