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okay, .38special is a troll, just ignore and let this thread die
My complaint against milsurp rifles
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gun addict, how about just one more question?
I will never know enough about guns to debate anything, being a very late-starter in life, but classic military (or -styled) rifles will always hold my attention more than anything, except a tall, slender young lady with smooth legs, wearing skimpy shorts.
Fatelk (and fellow shooters):
Were not Turkish Mausers built at Brno, in the Czech Republic, or were the Persian Mausers built in Brno?
Thank you for your patience.
I will never know enough about guns to debate anything, being a very late-starter in life, but classic military (or -styled) rifles will always hold my attention more than anything, except a tall, slender young lady with smooth legs, wearing skimpy shorts.
Fatelk (and fellow shooters):
Were not Turkish Mausers built at Brno, in the Czech Republic, or were the Persian Mausers built in Brno?
Thank you for your patience.
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gun addict
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well that's a good question but unfortunatly it is a bit vague. There are many models of Turkish model such as the 1893, 1903, 1938 etc. Most of Turkish mausers are made in Germany and many were assembled/updated in Ankara or K.kale factory. Some turkish mauser model such as M98/22 were contracted and made in Brno factory, and sold to Turkey.
Anyway i hope that helped, but it probably made it more confusing. Turkish mausers can be bought for very cheap but most of them have real slick actions and will make good shooters
then again what do i know, they're all just a bunch of cheap wood and crappy finished metals not worth a damn compared to modern day sporter guns you can buy from Wallmart, right?
Anyway i hope that helped, but it probably made it more confusing. Turkish mausers can be bought for very cheap but most of them have real slick actions and will make good shooters
then again what do i know, they're all just a bunch of cheap wood and crappy finished metals not worth a damn compared to modern day sporter guns you can buy from Wallmart, right?
aprayinbear
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Guess what I just bought........
Just my two cents worth!
Found this thread tonight and guess what...........I just purchased a 1932 Izzy 91/30 about a week ago and I love it. Shot it for the first time yesterday and excuse the expression, but what a blast. I didn't put it on a rest, but offhand standing, it was easy to hold my target groups between 2-4" at about 100 feet. I'm hoping to get 2-3moa when I test fire at 100 yards. Sorry the original poster didn't like his K31 or other milsurps, but I love mine.
I'm also into archery (primative archery) and blackpowder shooting. On occasion I throw a few atlatl darts (which were once used to hunt just about anything) as well. All of these are perfectly acceptable hunting weapons for those who choose to use them. And none of them is half as accurate at distance as the least of the milsurps.
I'm a target shooter myself, but because of very limited funds I'll never have an expensive target rifle. But I do have relatively well made and accurate guns, like my Charles Daly Superior .22 topped with a barska scope. A real working man's (or woman) firearm all around. So what if it's not a Suhl, or an Annie, I can still shoot in the sporter class and do quite well. And I don't expect my Izzy to shoot well against a Remmy 700, but against other milsurps I think I can do well with a little practice.
I guess my point is that in shooting, as with everything else, value is relative. And shooting fun is not about perfection, it's about squeezing whatever, accuracy, function and pleasure we can muster from our chosen firearms as we master their capabilities.
So Happy Shooting No Matter if it's A Savage or a Slingshot!
Just my two cents worth!
Found this thread tonight and guess what...........I just purchased a 1932 Izzy 91/30 about a week ago and I love it. Shot it for the first time yesterday and excuse the expression, but what a blast. I didn't put it on a rest, but offhand standing, it was easy to hold my target groups between 2-4" at about 100 feet. I'm hoping to get 2-3moa when I test fire at 100 yards. Sorry the original poster didn't like his K31 or other milsurps, but I love mine.
I'm also into archery (primative archery) and blackpowder shooting. On occasion I throw a few atlatl darts (which were once used to hunt just about anything) as well. All of these are perfectly acceptable hunting weapons for those who choose to use them. And none of them is half as accurate at distance as the least of the milsurps.
I'm a target shooter myself, but because of very limited funds I'll never have an expensive target rifle. But I do have relatively well made and accurate guns, like my Charles Daly Superior .22 topped with a barska scope. A real working man's (or woman) firearm all around. So what if it's not a Suhl, or an Annie, I can still shoot in the sporter class and do quite well. And I don't expect my Izzy to shoot well against a Remmy 700, but against other milsurps I think I can do well with a little practice.
I guess my point is that in shooting, as with everything else, value is relative. And shooting fun is not about perfection, it's about squeezing whatever, accuracy, function and pleasure we can muster from our chosen firearms as we master their capabilities.
So Happy Shooting No Matter if it's A Savage or a Slingshot!
BHP FAN
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Milsurps aren't accurate? Hilarious!
Good job aprayinbear. Enjoy the heck out of it. I've had a number of Mosins and what I have come to learn over the years is that for the most part the rifle is deceptively accurate. But because virtually everyone shoots surplus ammo out of them they never realize how accurate they can be. Very few folks handload for their $100 Mosins. Kind of like putting pearls on a pig. And I completely understand the advantages of shooting inexpensive surplus ammo. However, and there is always a however in life, the truth is the surplus ammo in most cases is terribly inaccurate. So it skews the shooters perception of the rifle. I do handload for my Mosin. I use Sierra 174 gr. MK .311 dia. with Norma or Lapua brass and it makes the Mosin a whole differnet critter. It brings the Mosin's accuracy to be comparable to any surplus mil-spec rifle with the exception of the Swiss K-31's.
Enjoy that new Mosin and remember the Mosin will last a lot longer than that bruised shoulder
Here's a pic of my like new M44 that I removed the bayonet and sleeve from but retained the sight. Quite simple to do actually and makes it a very much more user friendly rifle. With handloaded ammo at 100 yrds. off the bench I can easily get 2 inch groups when I do my part properly.
And a pic of my 91/30 like new that is totally off the hook with handloaded ammo.
Enjoy that new Mosin and remember the Mosin will last a lot longer than that bruised shoulder
Here's a pic of my like new M44 that I removed the bayonet and sleeve from but retained the sight. Quite simple to do actually and makes it a very much more user friendly rifle. With handloaded ammo at 100 yrds. off the bench I can easily get 2 inch groups when I do my part properly.
And a pic of my 91/30 like new that is totally off the hook with handloaded ammo.
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Thanks Lencac!
I plan on trying to reload for my mosin as well. Here's a pic of mine. It's a refurb, but the bore and muzzle look new!
I was interested in trying to work up some lighter loads with cast bullets. Beartooth bullets has a good selection. It will be interesting seeing what my rifle likes. To me that's all part of the fun.
All The Best
I plan on trying to reload for my mosin as well. Here's a pic of mine. It's a refurb, but the bore and muzzle look new!
I was interested in trying to work up some lighter loads with cast bullets. Beartooth bullets has a good selection. It will be interesting seeing what my rifle likes. To me that's all part of the fun.
All The Best
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ill take a safe full of mosins over a ar anyday
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A buddy of mine has very favorable results with his Tula hex Mosin and recently added a carbine version (c.'54). Jury's still out on the carbine but his full-length Mosin is a pre-WWII I believe and he shoots it with the original iron sights.
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My MN44s' groups at 50 yards were about 6" with the bayonets extended.
In stark contrast, a friend had never shot an LE.
He took a few shots at 50 yards, then sat on the ground with my #4..
His first shot at 100 yards was right into the bullseye's center!
Having retired from a military (reserves) rifle team might have helped.
In stark contrast, a friend had never shot an LE.
He took a few shots at 50 yards, then sat on the ground with my #4..
His first shot at 100 yards was right into the bullseye's center!
Having retired from a military (reserves) rifle team might have helped.
Yeah, no doubt it. Who, in their right mind would want one of those clunky, junky, cheaply made, inaccurate, high maintanence, old ugly military rifles anyway
Heck, I got this old POS that I would be embarrassed to even think about trying to sell this to someone for even $100.
Yep, no doubt it. Who'd want a piece of junk like this
Heck, I got this old POS that I would be embarrassed to even think about trying to sell this to someone for even $100.
Yep, no doubt it. Who'd want a piece of junk like this
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Sounds like you were born to late son. No offense, but those rifle were meant to be operated by "Rifleman". An art that died when we stopped appreciating the marriage of walnut and steel. Every milsurp you fined will be slightly different then it's brother. It is not like going to Dicks and picking one out of the lineup that has the least amount of handleing marks. Each one tells a different story. I am just sayin'..........
66912, it's always interesting to me the things people think they see. I wasn't born too late grand pa. I was being facetious. That rifle is mine. I built it and it shoots sub-MOA. Geez ... sometimes you just got to spell out the simplist things.:banghead:
Ignition Override
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Some us buy only milsurp rifles (pre-AR plastic), or military-styled (SKS, Mini).
A classic Mauser, LE etc any day. The more people buy the newer guns, the better.
A classic Mauser, LE etc any day. The more people buy the newer guns, the better.
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lordy what a thread! Having been on a guitar forum before coming here I was thinking on that guitar forum about how snobbery and "how many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb" Im right your wrong"" "no you are wrong I am right"....Les pauls rule strats suck"...."No strats rule Lespaul are over priced junk"....Youtube is even worse about that, "you didn't hit that one note perfect"
Only to come here and see different gun style people pitting against each other too. Some distinguished members even like Krochus taking jabs at some.
38special~ "is a fine looking piece.
Cut about a foot off of that barrel, turn the "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" bolt handle down, and chamber it for a useful cartridge, and you've got yourself a fine rifle"
38special, Is that sorta like "yeah baby I'll marry you just loose a few pounds, get a boob job and learn to cook first"?
Hey milsurps are what they are. Yeah probably on average 3 to 6 inch groups @ 100yds is what you'll get, depending on condition and ammo. Not something that will make you glee with "cloverleaf" sized groups but ain't it fun to blast bowling pins with them?
And some milsurps like some Mausers, Finnish Mosins,or Swiss rifles can be pretty accurate, 2 inch consistantly at 100 yds without a scope only using stock sights. I saw a guy one time at the range with a normal Mosin he bubba'd and scoped and with hand loads was getting 1 inch groups at 100 yds.
I like all guns, I'll take a 9mm and a .45, a AR-15 and AK, that one with wood, that one with synthetic, and a milsurp and a modern Savage also if you please. I'll accept fake or real boobs and love both strats and Lespauls also btw.
Only to come here and see different gun style people pitting against each other too. Some distinguished members even like Krochus taking jabs at some.
38special~ "is a fine looking piece.
Cut about a foot off of that barrel, turn the "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" bolt handle down, and chamber it for a useful cartridge, and you've got yourself a fine rifle"
38special, Is that sorta like "yeah baby I'll marry you just loose a few pounds, get a boob job and learn to cook first"?
Hey milsurps are what they are. Yeah probably on average 3 to 6 inch groups @ 100yds is what you'll get, depending on condition and ammo. Not something that will make you glee with "cloverleaf" sized groups but ain't it fun to blast bowling pins with them?
And some milsurps like some Mausers, Finnish Mosins,or Swiss rifles can be pretty accurate, 2 inch consistantly at 100 yds without a scope only using stock sights. I saw a guy one time at the range with a normal Mosin he bubba'd and scoped and with hand loads was getting 1 inch groups at 100 yds.
I like all guns, I'll take a 9mm and a .45, a AR-15 and AK, that one with wood, that one with synthetic, and a milsurp and a modern Savage also if you please. I'll accept fake or real boobs and love both strats and Lespauls also btw.
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Many moons ago my yet to be BIL and a friend of his went to the local range. The friend had a commercial semiauto Remington in 30.06 or .308. It fell apart after about 75 rounds.
That answers any question in my mind about Military Surplus.
Best,
Rob
That answers any question in my mind about Military Surplus.
Best,
Rob
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Friends don't let friends buy mil. surps....
I won't touch them...
I'm a big time history nut and I know they'll be just like crack cocain to my week soul.
I can see myself losing the house, the wife & kids and living in a tent under a highway bridge with a hundred mil. surp. rifles hidden under my cot.
I won't touch them...
I'm a big time history nut and I know they'll be just like crack cocain to my week soul.
I can see myself losing the house, the wife & kids and living in a tent under a highway bridge with a hundred mil. surp. rifles hidden under my cot.
jimmyraythomason
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You definitely have a cruel streak,CZguy.
millertyme
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My dad just killed a 400lbs elk with his 1903A3 last year. Occasionally I'll joke with my German coworker about the gun being used in defense of freedom against his oppressive ancestors when he gets to talking about how great Germany is and how the United States doesn't rate. Then I'll ask him to go out shooting with me.
jimmyraythomason
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Indeed I do!
essayons21
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While some of the pictures of gorgeous milsurps are nice, this forum beatdown has turned into the savage brutalization of a very dead horse.
I think it is time to let this thread die.
I think it is time to let this thread die.
jimmyraythomason
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So stop feeding it.
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