My complaint against milsurp rifles

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Yeah, those vandals are called "wives". Ask me how a know, with my honeydew-colored bedroom and all. LOL

Personally, I find very few things as entertaining as casual plinking. One of my hobbies is to collect and restore old C&R rifles. Some of my most enjoyable plinking sessions are with these firearms.

:D

That's pretty funny.

Yes the "Vandal" was my wife.

Actually we refer to it as our 'Purple Passion' room. ;)

Anyways, back to the rifle. I REALLY like the Yugo and the scout scope setup works really well. Looking forward to taking it in the woods this deer season.
 
to .38 special "quality" is defined by how big of a scope you can easily put on there and if it has an synthetic stock

Again, look at a good Swedish Mauser or a Swiss K31, that's quality
 
"Again, look at a good Swedish Mauser or a Swiss K31, that's quality"

Agreed!, there are fine to excellent quality milsurps out there. I have a few.
 
Saiga39, I was looking at your photo. I think the purple walls are just fine but after looking at it I can't help but wonder, are you and your wife midgets?
 
I have mil sups and I like every one the history to me is in the design and how they compare with others.i have some well used clunkers and the are accurate enuf for hunting even if I dont use them for that.wonder what he would have done when I first started in 1937.most all were milsurp and even the new guns were factory mil converted to sporting.both rem and win.they were 1917 enfields with the ears milled off and blued.with sporter stocks.
 
to .38 special "quality" is defined by how big of a scope you can easily put on there and if it has an synthetic stock

I have a grand total of one synthetic stocked rifle, and the largest scope I currently own is a fixed 6X. So you might want to have your crystal ball serviced. :p
 
to .38 special "quality" is defined by how big of a scope you can easily put on there and if it has an synthetic stock

To be fair..........there is nothing in any of his posts in this thread to make me think that is true.
 
FWIW, I prefer turn of the century British sporting rifles and their modern knock-offs. IOW, fine walnut, blued steel, and iron sights or low-powered optics. I find these guns to be the best combination of handling, accuracy, and appearance for my purposes, which consist primarily of hunting, plinking, informal target shooting, and general woods loafing.

Of course, the typical milsurp will accomplish all of these things, but none of them nearly as well. I find them generally lousy handlers (too long and too heavy), rarely more accurate than 3-4 MOA, generally poorly finished and carrying very plain "hardwood" of some description, and possessed of sights ranging from barely adequate to almost completely useless. As always, there can be exceptions, but there is a reason why the average prices for sporting rifles are many times higher than those for milsurps. Apparently the average shooter finds sporters much more useful than milsurps and has voted with his wallet.

Buncha snobs!
 
Saiga39, I was looking at your photo. I think the purple walls are just fine but after looking at it I can't help but wonder, are you and your wife midgets?

No???

Maybe I took the picture at an odd angle????
Anyways this has nothing to do with Milsurp rifles so I'll no longer address my purple walls.
 
"generally poorly finished and carrying very plain "hardwood" "

What a load of crap that statement is. (and these are just ones from my collection, let alone everyone elses on the web).
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I agree with JD EMPHATICALLY. I only have a Mosin 91/30, Mosin M44, and a K31. All fo them have beautiful wood, nice bluing, and the shoot wonderfully. Ammo is cheap and the vibe of shooting those pieces of history is something you can't get from a modern rifle. Add to that they cost a fraction of a new rifle and they are a pretty good deal if you ask me. JD, You probably bought that whole collection for less than what I'll have in my Savage I'm building as my 1000 yard rifle.
 
Well, JD, you certainly put me in my place. Arguing against the idea that milsurps tend to have plain wood and poor finishes by putting up pictures of milsurps with plain wood and poor finishes. Genius! LMAO.
 
Dunno about anyone else , I don't really care how mine look , it's how they shoot that matters.

If I want to shoot 1" groups at 100 yards I reach for the Tikka 308 , but if I am going out to hammer steel and want a challenge I will grab the Mauser or the Enfield.

The Tikka is hands down better in the accuracy dept , however I find the milsurps more fun to shoot. Could it be nostalgia ? Perhaps...

Regardless of what your choice is , just get out there and shoot em , safe queens suck ;)
 
Plain wood , ya ok, Since when is tigerstriped and burled walnut and quarter sawn Beech, and flame Birch...plain?. Get a clue.

Here are a few more PLAIN WOOD milsurps . I enlarged them for ya too. ( These picts are off the net)


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yeah and Swedish Steel + fine blueing is now "crappy finish"......get a grip .38 special, you're losing it.

Look at that tigerstripper walnut on those Swiss rifles, sure is ugly huh? :rolleyes:
 
Well, JD, you certainly put me in my place. Arguing against the idea that milsurps tend to have plain wood and poor finishes by putting up pictures of milsurps with plain wood and poor finishes. Genius! LMAO.
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Coupla things before I leave you good folks to the name-calling...

I didn't say no milsurp ever had decent wood. I said that most don't, so posting pics of the rare milsurp with decent wood doesn't exactly prove anything. Hell, I've seen pics of a Garand with exhibition grade Circassian. That doesn't obviate my point either.

Moreover, most of the guns pictured here with the intent of "showing me" good wood really don't have very good wood. This, IMO, simply demonstrates that most of you folks really don't know much about such things. (Yeah, I know how "snobby" that sounds, but I don't know how to put it nicely.)

As for the assertion that these are examples of "fine blueing", well, see above. Most of those guns are indeed blued, but that's about all you can say about them.

None of which is terribly important. If you like such guns, have at it. But again, the claim that these are in any way as "nice" as a good sporter -- in terms of appearance, handling, accuracy, or any of the other things that most people value in a rifle -- is unsupportable.
 
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Fine, you can have your $3000.00 burled Walnut sporter hunting rifle safe queen. That leaves more milsurps for us. :D
Here are a couple of hand made $3000.00+ rifles a friend of mine made. (Apples to oranges),Yes ,there is a difference, these sit in a safe, or are displayed. The average milsurp went thru years of human abuse and war. And some still look darn good for their age. Plain wood or fancy!. Say what you will , will just have to disagree on this subject.

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And you're welcome to them. I hope they're everything you want in a rifle.

Meanwhile, I'll be out in the field with my $3,000 safe queens, putting some new dings in the wood and generally having a ball. And I'm sure if we meet we'll get along just fine, as long as you don't start telling me tall tales about MOA with irons and corrosive surplus ammo, and then calling me a snob because I'm laughing at you. :neener:
 
This, BTW,

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is a fine looking piece.

Cut about a foot off of that barrel, turn the "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" bolt handle down, and chamber it for a useful cartridge, and you've got yourself a fine rifle! :p
 
Just to do a little trolling of my own here I feel obligated to point out the first place group in my match.


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