MY Fellow New Yorkers Fight FOr Your Rights

[BehindTheIronCurtain]

I'm new to the forum and just joined today, so I'm not sure how many New Yorkers (City or State) are members.

I am currently trying (unsuccessfully thus far) to attain my CCW in the people's republic of New York City. I am a business owner, married father of one, and have no criminal past whatsoever. With all of that in my favor, New York will most likely reject my application for my permit.

I have gotten a consultant (he worked 3 years as an NYPD pistol licensing officer) and have had to first go through my county which isn't much easier than NYC. My consultant sees my chances as 50-50 in NYC and perhaps less so as my business does not require me to be there everyday on a 9-5 basis.

Add to this the tragedy in Arizona, and this idiot Loughner who just made the gun owning community take 10 steps backwards. Now Mayor Bloomberg has new footing and has already been to Washington DC to propose new and stricter laws. Laws can't get much stricter in NYC or NYS for that matter. Now is the time to organize and really seek to get our rights back. I know 4 people who can help. They include my consultant (a 20 year NYPD officer) a fellow business owner, and a Brooklyn resident who is a college student, as well as myself.

Help us get our numbers up and email ([email protected]) me with any questions or interest in joining along with the NRA, and GOA to get our 2nd Amendment rights recognized.

 

[rajb123]

....lived in NYC for 12 years ....CCWs are not issued on principle and your application will likely be accidently lost by authorities.

Hire an attorney experienced in these matters and your chances are still very low.

 

[batjka]

We just have to wait for the Westchester County lawsuit to be won. This is the one to get rid of the "good cause" clause in the law. Once we have that, NYC will be forced to issue CCW permits no matter what. The day of reckoning is coming!

In the mean time, don't get discouraged. You have a business (hopefully a "cash" business), and you won't be denied. It will take forever, you will have to take numerous trips downtown, you will be treated like a criminal, but you will get your permit eventually.

I am moving out of NYC to Westchester, and will apply for a PP there. They don't issue an unrestricted PP, but they issue a carry permit with administrative restrictions. It is, however, not legal in NYC. So even though one can possess and carry in all of NYS, once he sets foot in the 5 boroughs he is a criminal and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Which is totally illegal and ridiculous.

 

[archigos]

Why don't they just make NYC a seperate state, in and of itself, and forget his BS? Then all the welfare costs would be borne by the city and the upper state would be able to offer lower tax rates for business and mayby lure some jobs into the area?

41% of the population of NYS belongs to NYC. Coupled with that simple fact, you just stated exactly the reason that NYS can't break free of the shackles of NYC.

 

[BehindTheIronCurtain]

For those of you who currently live in New York, I would really like to get some contact info and keep you abreast of the situation with the various people who are joining me in our law suit against the city. If they did it in DC, and did it in CHicago, we can do it in NYC.

 

[archigos]

BehindTheIronCurtain, have you engaged the NYSRPA regarding this?

 

[BehindTheIronCurtain]

BehindTheIronCurtain, have you engaged the NYSRPA regarding this?

I have visited their site a few times and have been unimpressed with their "activism" as well as the quality of their site as a whole. I will contact them via email though following your suggestion. Thanks!

 

[Siberious]

We just have to wait for the Westchester County lawsuit to be won. This is the one to get rid of the "good cause" clause in the law. Once we have that, NYC will be forced to issue CCW permits no matter what. The day of reckoning is coming!

batjka, no it WON'T. New York (both on the State and local levels, ie: the cities) work on the principal of Home Rule, NOT on the principal of State Pre-emption.

Thats how the crooked bast*rd Tim Sullivan got the law to be passed back in 1911, called the Sullivan Act, which laid the groundwork for NYS Penal codes 265 and 400.

New York has Home Rule. The Westchester ruling, if it goes in our favor, will ONLY APPLY TO WESTCHESTER, and SAF along with Gura will need to find another case in another county that closely resembles the Westchester case, take *that* to court, win on precedent, lather-rinse-repeat until all the counties are dragged into a courtroom.

I'll wager, and lay good odds too, that NY State will be the ONLY state in the nation, in the future, to be a May Issue state. Not even NJ, Maryland, or Mass will be may issue, whereas NY will be for quite a long time.

Reason is that the city proper (Kings County) the rest of the boroughs (Staten Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx) and the bordering counties (Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester and Rockland) make up 68.2% of the TOTAL State population, or a total of 13,210,000 people out of the 19,540,000 people OF THE WHOLE STATE.

Which means that the state Legislature (and by default, the whole damned State) is controlled by the Liberals of NY City and the surrounding counties. Keeping that in mind, do you really think that the Draconian NY Gun Laws will ever be overturned? Hell will freeze over first.

The city politicians that run Albany could care less about the Upstaters. They pass laws designed to keep the peasants and peons in the city under their thumb, and don't give a rats patoot about the collateral damage that their laws inflict on the rest of the state.

The best thing we can hope for is that the state splits into two states...Manhattan can keep all the crowded ghetto's, slums, sec 8 housing, crime, gangs, drunks, druggies, hookers, and illegal immigrants, and the rest of us can live like Free Men in the Upstate region of NY.

 

[batjka]

I have to disagree. If a Supreme Court decides that a "good cause" clause is unconstitutional, NYC has no chance. The Supreme Court has the authority to tell every jurisdiction in the country to oblige, and will come down with full force on anyone defying its ruling. I hope Bloomberg chokes once the ruling is handed down. I will be first in line to get my NYC carry permit immediately.