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My first 1911

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by cwduke08, Feb 15, 2012.

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  1. cwduke08

    cwduke08 Member

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    I've been wanting a 1911 but cheaper guns keep finding their way into my hands. Should I save up for a Ed Brown or Wilson? My dream '11 is an ED BROWN KOBRA CARRY, or should I get a cheaper starter 1911. So many avenues to venture down.

    Ps what makes a California 1911... They only hold 7 or 8 anyways
     
  2. CZ57

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    CW, take a look at Dan Wesson before you decide on anything. IMO, it's hard to get more 1911 than what you get with the DW. ;)
     
  3. Topperdog

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    I know plenty of people that have started with low end 1911's to learn the platform first, myself being one (Auto Ordnance was my first and several friends started with Rock Island). The advantage is that you learn what you want, don't want, or if you even like the platformwith the cheap 1911. It ended up being the base for a gunsmithing project for me. Not the cheapest route and it definitely doesn't hold the value of the parts original price. But it does have sentimental value.
     
  4. HDCamel

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    I've already said this twice today, but I really regret that my first 1911 wasn't a Colt. The Regent R100 is a fine gun, but I want the pony.

    Of ALL the 1911s out there, a Colt holds it's resale value the best and they're ALWAYS in demand so selling it if you want to upgrade to a DW, Wilson, Baer, or Brown would be a cinch.
     
  5. SteampunkQueen

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    I agree with Camel. Id say a Colt is a great place to start. They have TONS of models on the market now, and their Rail Gun was even in contention to replace the MEU(SOC) Pistol in service with Marine Force Recon Elements.

    I owned an EB and it was beautiful and honestly i loved it to death, but for a first 1911, i say start with the original!
     
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    Some others to look at as well:
    Ed Brown Molan Labe
    Dan Wesson Valor
    Dan Wesson CCO
    Les Baer

    The Dan Wessons are very nice. My DW V is my EB that I'm not afraid to carry and use hard. (It's replaceable)

    Just get the Ed Brown. It really is better, and worth every penny. If it's what you really want, then anything else is going to fall short.
     
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    +1 to the Recommendation to check out Dan Wessons. I have a Pre CZ Pointman (full size) and am on the lookout for a modern bob or maybe an older Patriot.
     
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    I spent many years with Colts, Springfields and Kimbers and, with the exception of a couple of Kimbers, don't regret any of them. I bought my first semi-custom about 15 years ago and immediately regretted not doing so sooner.
     
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    I love the colt 1991 series! I think it just looks awesome, no adjustable sights but it looks mean and original!
     
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    I started with a Colt and know have several Bought a Dan Wesson when they were reasonable on their prices. Its a very good pistol . How ever today I would buy a Ed Brown before I buy another Dan Wesson . I now think their way over priced.
     
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    STI has entry price level pistols that can shoot like much more expensive 1911s. For under $1000 the Trojan is an incredible shooter, uber reliable and a better trigger than many pistols twice the price. For less than $700 the Spartan gives a lot for the money, a great place to start the collection. One word of caution these pistols are habit forming, seven so far and more in the future for me.
     
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    The adjustable sight is a relative oddity on a 1911. It usually requires a different slide cut that will really limit your aftermarket options. I always recommend a fixed sight 1911 unless you actually have a specific need for the adjustable sight.
     
  13. TonyDedo

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    cwduke, how much trigger time do you have on a 1911? I'd hesitate to dump $2000-$4000 on a gun you haven't shot much, just because it looks great on paper.

    Don't go cheap and get a GI model either. Spend an extra couple hundred bucks and get something with decent sights, beavertail grip safety, etc.

    I'd suggest a Smith & Wesson. They have some great options with all the bells & whistles, but don't carry the cost of a high end custom:

    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...4_750001_750051_757754_-1_757752_757751_image
     
  14. cwduke08

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    @tonydedo

    I've probably put about 500 rounds down range with a 1911 (rental kimber)
     
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    Why would you get anything BUT a GI/Government style 1911 for your first?
     
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    Well for starters, GI sights suck. 1911s without beavertails can give hammer bite. The cheap, entry level GI models I've shot (Rock Island, Auto Ord, etc) can run loose and can eject brass all over the place.

    I'm just saying if someone wants to get into 1911s, I'd hate for them to pick up a junky replica, have a bad experience with it, and lose their interest. Especially when, for a couple hundred more, they can get a really great 1911 with all the bells and whistles. You can get a lot going from a $400-$600 gun to a $700-$1000 gun.
     
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    Ed Brown and Wilson Combat make some of the best 1911's money can buy. These are the top tier of what can be even remotely considered production guns. The only way to go up is to save 10 grand, wait 5 years and comission a custom gun from Harrison or Heirloom Prescision or such....

    Does anyone really think you COULD be disapointed with one? There is no reason to buy a lesser gun - other than the cost. I mean $2500-$4000 is a good amount of $$$ ut it's not really that much in this day and age....

    If you REALLY want an Ed Brown or Wilson Combat and you can stomach the cost, you should save up to buy one. No ifs ands or buts about it. No matter how good something else is, it won't be an Ed Brown and it won't be a Wilson....

    COLT, CZ, S&W and STI all make nice 1911's but they are not comparable to Wilson and Brown. Anyone that thinks they are is kidding themselves. They are a good place to buy a 1911 if you can't (or won't) pay the admission fee for Brown or Wilson - but if you can there is no reason to settle.
    Will
     
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    All of your points are a matter of opinion.

    I personally prefer GI sights. Beavertails look fugly and replacing the hammer with a commander style does enough to get rid of hammerbite. Running loose isn't a negative point.

    For your first car would you buy a good reliable sedan or some neon-lighted supercharged street racer?

    I still say he should get a Colt. Easy to work on/have work done to, easy to sell for VERY close to new price if he ever wants to upgrade to a Wilson, Brown, or Baer.
     
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    Are you comparing an Ed Brown or Wislon to a Neon street racer??????? really?

    Then it's NOT a GI or mil spec.

    The hammer bite is more the SHARP edges of the traditional thin grip safety digging into the web of the hand. Again, lack of hand fitting seen in better 1911 style guns. The tang of the grip safety on most (all?) 1911s has been extended to make it near impossible to get the web up high enough to be struck by the traditional spur hammer.
     
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    Great info here. Glad you started this CWDUKE.

    In response to the GI model being a cheap off brand, are you saying the Govt issue 1911s were Rock Island or Auto Ord?

    We had Springfield and Colts when I first qualified in 1986. Then the Military went to the M9 Berettas. I would think one of those Colt/Springfields would be a great starting place that would return your money if you decided you didn't care for the 1911 platform. I'm not trying to stir anything up but am also in the market for a 1911 and trying to get as much info as I can to make a good decision.

    As a personal preference my favorite auto is the Beretta M9 due to familiarity and it feels at home in my hand. I would take about 10 of them if I had the money just to throw around.
     
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    I'm truly baffled by some of the responses I've read so far. I certainly agree that both Wilson and Brown make some fine pistols with solid good looks to boot but if you have a look at the work being done by the "modern masters" most start life as nothing more than a basic Colt, Springfield Armory or Caspian.

    The point of customizing a 1911 using a good smith is to allow the craftsman something to craft. How would Chuck Rogers golf ball a front strap on a pre-checkered Wilson? Why would Chuck Warner dehorn an Ed Brown?

    Most smiths nowadays have gotten away from full house builds to avoid being manufacturers. They don't all have egregious wait times or $10k price tags either. I'd sooner have a Clark Meltdown Colt than a Wilson, or a Les Baer or DW with some work by Harrison. Simply personal preference however.

    To the OP, you'll have to decide if a 1911 will have a niche to fill in your collection. As much as some of us enjoy them they may not be for everyone. For that matter they aren't all built for a single purpose so if you find a purpose and a budget you'll be ready to better research which specific models and manufacturers to further consider. Without that you'll be forever buried with suggestions from every manufacturer at every price point.
     
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    No, but I AM comparing the S&W or the Springfield Loaded to one.

    Who said he had to keep it the way he got it? I'm just saying to start with the base model and change stuff out as needed. He might not need $200-$300 worth of modifications, so why should he buy them already attached?
     
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    Cause it's cheaper to buy them already attached.

    I like modding a gun as much as anyone, but you can buy a loaded springfield, for a lot less than buying a mils spec and adding the same features.
     
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    All I gotta say is :what:
     
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