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Thank you for the bashing on my "handy" no charge work, there Mickey. I do what I can and I get by however I can. If I get the money I'm buing a Choate stock anyways, so why's it matter what I do the POS one it's on now? It's my gun and I'm the one that has to use it! The cheek piece works wonders, and it's nice and smooth.

I'd rather pay 90 bucks for 440 rounds than 440 bucks for 440 rounds. So that's why I want 8mm Mauser. I'm sorry if your wallet is too deep to understand where I'm coming from, and to tell you the truth, I hope you don't! You know it's hell trying to live on unemployment here, and everything I've done to this rifle was done with no money spent, other than the scope when I had a job. So again, thanks for bashing on my rifle and on my ideas. A man can hope and dream can't he? Wonderful High Road Individual you are.

Forgive me for being "annoying" and "immature" and thanks for the "help" but I'll think about that the next time I come to "The High Road". You come asking questions and get steered into purchasing something else.

And to those that were able to show some patience, thank you. I realize you were giving good advice, but it's something I was just wanting to let you know that I was going to eventually undertake in this little, futile project, but it's something that I wanted to accomplish.

I found out that I can't modify the action for 8mm Mauser so I am going to have it chambered for .308 whenever I do find a job and get my debt managed. Again, thank you for your time.

Admins, please delete this post, as this was a massive waste of time, on my part, to all of the more important members on this forum.
 
It hasn't been a waste of time, but dude, you need to seriously calm down - you're basically insisting on a set of parameters that you cannot possibly hope to achieve (1000-yard and/or tactical rifle in 8mm off a Savage .243 base gun with a scope that is not even a Tasco and a per-round cost of less than a buck or so) and then getting all huffy and defensive when people tell you that, er, uh, you might want to, ahh, maybe reconsider that.

We're not trying to rag on you, we're trying to save you money. You can spend five hundred bucks on this project and not get any closer to what you want - that's what we're trying to get through to you. If you just want to do something completely oddball just for the hell of it, then say so; don't make your end goal out to be a 1000 (or 600) yard tactical rifle in 8mm, because that is going to encourage people to try to be High Road by letting you know it'd be a gigantic waste of money.

While we're on the subject of money - no offense, but you need to pry whatever piece of silverware you've got up you outta there. You don't need to be Uncle Moneybags to build a decent gun for any given purpose, and I'm fairly certain that none of these guys you've been denigrating for trying to help you are filthy rich. You do need to have some basic idea of what the hockeysticks you're doing (or the guidance of people who do - like, say, the last three pages of this thread), and you need to be willing to compromise if you're working on a shoestring budget.

I personally don't understand why you're so hung up on 8mm; the ammo's been pretty much dried up for a couple years now and it's only going to get scarcer and more expensive. 7.62x54R would seem to serve you a lot better as a cheap milsurp cartridge, with the benefits of being able to buy a cheap but rarely-seen rifle (Finn Mosin) already chambered in such and with plenty of provenance as to its capabilities thanks to Ruskie and Finnish snipers.

The reality is simply that you're not gonna be able to do what you want to do, how you want to do it, for the amount of money you're willing to spend. If you want to bleed dollars trying anyway, more power to ya, just don't expect much in the way of helpful advice next time.
 
There is not a doubt... absolutely zero doubt... you've already made that clear as Sprite in a Bud lite bottle! You ARE... absolutely... postitvely... may want change that to a billon...

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I'd rather pay 90 bucks for 440 rounds than 440 bucks for 440 rounds. So that's why I want 8mm Mauser.
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There's just too many contradictions in your story here, jefe. You talk about not having the money, but you're willing to sink money into a project that likely won't be worth what you spent on it in the end. If you were wanting 8mm because of the availability of cheap ammo, then use it for fun shooting. A tactical style rifle shooting surplus 8mm would be like having a tactical musket. The specs on surplus 8mm are all over the place, somr hot loads, some weak loads, some hard primers that may not fire from a modern rifle. There are just too many variables with surplus ammo that trying to get it to shoot tight groups would be almost laughable. Surplus ammo wasn't designed to have high specs with repeatable performance. It was made for the masses.
 
LJ, a properly built .243 is an excellent choice for long range shooting you're overlooking the obvious...243 delivers less drop & wind drift than the 308 or 8mm mauser! But you have to use heavy for caliber bullets. If you plan to use the heavy 105gr Scenar for example you may be able to shoot it with your 1-9.25 twist barrel but you may need a barrel with a faster twist i.e. 1-8 or 1-7.5" to stabilize the 105 Lapua, 105 Berger and 107 SMK's. You could still try out some 90gr and 100gr stuff to see what it will do. I guess the next question is do you reload or have access to reloading equipment?
 
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Surplus 8mm won't do what you want at the distance you want. Junk everything but the action and get some money for those parts. Wait till you shoot that leapers on a 8mm, its going to blow that thing apart. My buddy took one off his air soft gun tried on his .308 not even 7 shots in the thing went to crap. I ended up blowing it apart with my .30-06. Don't get to upset with everybody ranking on your plans. Im broke as a joke college kid so I can't afford the top end stuff, but I buy smart and I buy when I find deals. it may take longer to to finish the build but you will be much happier with it. We could be like other forums and tell you horrible things and tell you to pound sand. But we're just letting you know your idea "not gonna work".

If I were you, I would scrap the plan, stick with the .243. And ask yourself these questions

1. Am I good enough to shoot out to 1000 yards
2. Do I have access to shoot out to 1000 yards
3. If I don't like what I ended up with can I sell it and recoup some cash
4. Why do I want that kind of setup
5. Can I do all this by myself or will I need a gunsmith
6. And lastly why do you want this setup, really what is the purpose behind the build. I know you mention benchrest. But you can purchase a Savage palma that will do this right out of the box, If your good enough

Question 4 and 6 are the same cause they are the most important
 
First of all I'd like to say good luck with your project. I enjoy tinkering and have gotten into a couple similar projects myself. I picked up a 98 Mauser with a .243 barrel I planned to rebarrel for .308 until I started shooting it. I found another caliber I like. I'm interested to find out how much more accurate it will be when I start reloading for it (another new project I've gotten into). I got a deal on a Savage 110 in 30-06 that I planned to rebarrel in .308 until I found my Remington 700P in .308. Now the Savage is getting barreled in .300 Win. Mag. for my long range shooter.

Keep us posted on your progress and range report.
 
I think he asked about the mag box

LJ

It isn't their money, it's yours. You decide what to do.

Brownell's has a series of Guntech gunsmithing how-to articles on the web site. One of them describes how to replace a Savage 110 barrel. Go check it out here http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=10511/guntechdetail/Re_barreling_Your_Savage_Rifle. Then go searching for a true match grade 8x57JS barrel worthy of 1000 yd shooting. They ain't cheap, go check them out carefully. They ain't drop-in, either.

While you have the action torn down for the barrel replacement, you'll be able to see how the magazine box is replaced. You also need the mag follower and spring.

If you don't reload your own yet, you need to start learning. The 8mm Mauser you buy (commercial or surplus) isn't capable of accuracy or precision at your chosen distance. It's an ammo thing. You need to reload.

Maybe this a good effort to get as close to 338 Lapua as possible, without the price?

Cheers, LJ.
 
We've all been there. I'm a college student with limited resources, and realistically, there are tons of things I'd like to do/buy, but there is joy in using what you have to it's full advantage, but fully knowing its limitations.
There is a great wealth of knowledge and weisdom here, so it would be prudent not to piss everyone off by asking for advice and then blowing up when its given.

--on cheap optics--

In my younger days (yes, really young) I put a scout mount on a czech 98/22 mauser. as we all know, pistol scopes are few and far between, so not having much money, I bought an NCstar 2-7X32...not understanding what stout recoil would do to it.

needless to say, it now patterns at about 12 inches at 100 yards with cheap yugo surplus ammo. It is also still mounted to the rifle, waiting for the day that I can afford to buy a Bushnell elite to replace it. I learned a valuable lesson, fully worth the 50 bucks I wasted on that chinese piece of crap.

I have an uncle who lives in alaska--an avid hunter. He told me once when I was up there that he spends at least as much as the rifle cost on the scope and mounts. I thought he was crazy too, turns out that's what is best.

--bottom line--
Know the limitations of your equipment. My primary hunting rifle, a savage in .17 hm2 wears a bushnell banner 6-24x40...arguably a better scope than yours, but I know where to draw the line. If I put it on an 8mm or 30-06, it probably would be toast. it's not the clearest scope, but it works for rimfire, and a lot of squirrels have perished because of it.

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Final thought...

...shooting at 1000 yards doesn't require a full magazine. In fact, you may not want your super-duper reloads to get pounded by the recoil of the previous shot. Besides, figuring out the wind and other ambient conditions between shots takes time. Plenty of time. And patience. You don't just crank the bolt and squeeze off another round.

Single shot is not bad.
 
I have a 110 in .243 Win as well. There is no plug in the magazine - it's a short action magazine and the hole in the action is short too. Without a machine shop you're not going to get a long action magazine into it.

The savage is nice, I've kept the .243 barrel and bought a 260 barrel too. They headspace with the same gauge. I snug it down tight on a GO gauge, then back it off about 1/16 of a rotation. That lets a go gauge slip in, but the no go won't.

The savage .243 barrel has a 1:9 twist (maybe 9.25), plenty for 105g Speer, but I don't know about the Amax, it's a lot longer.

Right now I have a $40 Simmons scope on it, the Simmons scope that came on the rifle (package rifle) was junk and broke after a few trips to the range, but this one has managed to last through a few years of range work and a couple of short hunting trips.
 
To all of you who are at least showing some positive report, thank you. The 8mm round is not going to work for my action... it is not possible to lengthen (stretch) the magazine well to accomplish what I plan. As I have stated in post #5, that I might have to go with .308, which is now apparent. So it will serve as a more modern tactical rifle because of this.

I won't, however give up the 8mm Mauser chambered Savage idea, I'll save that for another day when I have the ability to spend some money and buy a long action that is made for .30-06, which will fully support my ideas. These are extensive and may-be futile plans. But I strive to be different, which most of you seem to misunderstand, and though your advice is sound, I don't want it. I should have avoided this whole mess and should have put in the original post "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO STEER ME AWAY FROM THESE INTENTIONS", as it would have saved a lot of trouble.

The scope is working great now. How would you know for sure that it'll break instantly? Or after a few rounds? It's already survived 60+ rounds, and it hase been dropped a couple times already. It may break or it may not. Let me learn that for myself.

With the 8mm chambering. It may be illogical, but I've always been bull-headed, and when my mind is set on something, not easily will you persuade me different. And neither have most of you. I did, however, take into account, in post #5, that I would possibly have to go with .308 with this particular action because of the .243 chambering. I stated that clearly. So bashing on me for my intended caliber could have been negated right there.

The comment on the cheek piece was out of hand and completely rediculous. Just because I may be a poor man does not mean my intentions are. It works fine for me, it looks fine for me, but obviously I don't care about what it looks like. The crooked vents? Oh well, I'm buying another stock for it eventually anyways. Just because you don't toy around with your rifles while trying to figure out what'll work and what won't, and what theories might solve what problem and so forth does not mean that I can't. This goes towards Mickeyjim or whatever his name is.

But sir, I obviously don't care what you think. It was uncalled for because whatever items you possess, you will never see me bash on it as you have done to my gear today. I know how to show respect. And I give respect when respect is shown to me. Yes, I may have blown up, but I apologized for it, I don't intend to do so, but quitting cigarettes is not going as easy as I thought it would, and neither is my unemployment situation.

Again, I am sorry for any members I may have offended, and I'm sorry if I had not wanted to take your advice, it's not because of you, honestly, it's because they're ideas that I don't agree with. I have tried to show respect, and in most cases I was able to go without dishing out the insults. Butmost of you wil agree that if you were being bashed on, having your gear being called S&*%, and just a general use of criticism would cause some anger in you, too. So, sorry I blew up, I do apologize and I am not proud, but I'm defending what I'm trying hard to accomplish. Thank you for providing information, and thank you for the support. Admins, you may delete this post after a few more replies. It shan't be necessary after that.
 
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The reason that so many people use the same calibers for that range is because they have been tried and true. Tested for a lot of years. People with vasts sums of money have dumped into this aspect. Look into the ballistics. And then also, for that kind of range you want a match grade ammo, or hand loads that were formed in your chamber with everything consistent, and high quality parts, etc. etc. The bulk surplus isn't going to be consistent enough for that range. Just a few little nuances may not mean much at 100 yards or even 300 yards. But out to 1000, it can be the world.

And I can tell you, you need one hell of a scope for that range. As said before, a good one usually is worth more than the rifle. It wouldn't be uncommon for a $1500 scope.

Can't turn a Ford Probe into a corvette, but you can have a lot of fun with it!
 
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Thank you for the bashing on my "handy" no charge work, there Mickey. I do what I can and I get by however I can. If I get the money I'm buing a Choate stock anyways, so why's it matter what I do the POS one it's on now? It's my gun and I'm the one that has to use it! The cheek piece works wonders, and it's nice and smooth.
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The only reason I bashed on your handy "no charge" work is that you called it "Custom" and then had the audacity to start ranting about how we "High Roaders" didn't understand your dream Wha Wah Wah! whatever! Please, if you are going to describe the work you have done to this rifle as custom, please expect criticism. Especially after the attitude you have demonstrated here on this thread.

I'd rather pay 90 bucks for 440 rounds than 440 bucks for 440 rounds. So that's why I want 8mm Mauser.
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I know not of what you speak about getting 440 rounds of 8mm to my 440 rounds of .243 for 440 bucks. The only way I know of getting that much ammo for so little a price in today's markey would mean it would be mil surp ammo. As others before me have stated, There is no consistency. This is why it is cheap. But, I can and do buy my ammo for my .243 and 440 rounds costs me $158.00. How? I roll my own! 38.5 Gr H4350 X 440=16940 Gr /7000=2.42lb@ 20.00 per lb =$50.00 + 4.00 per 100 primers = 18.00 + 20 per 100 bullets = 90.00. 90+18+50=$158.00 per 450.

I'm sorry if your wallet is too deep to understand where I'm coming from, and to tell you the truth, I hope you don't!
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Well, I do have a job. However I am partially disabled, so I can only work 6 hours a day. I also have 4 kids and a wife. My wife has to work so we can have health insurance, and no, I do not collect any disability income from anyone or any govt program. We barely make ends meet. Having said that, I have learned from a long time of being out in this old world trying to make the ends meet. You have to budget and save for your purchases. I started in the workforce at age 16. I didn't want to... I had to. My dad died and left me with a dying wish. It was "Take care of your mom son!" Mom was bedridden and could barely make it to the bathroom. Eventually she couldn't even do that. I had to go to school, go to work and make it back home at decent intervals so I could lift my mom on a potty chair next to her bed. Then Clean her up and get her back in bed. Then go back to whatever it was i had to go do.Work, School, or whatever. On the weekends I would have to bathe her too. As well as take care of my 90 year old Grandma who lived with us, and I worked every weekend. I then went on to college and got my degree. It was a trade school and the school was 35 miles from my home. I went from 8 to 12 5 days a week. I left at 7:30AM and got home at 12:30pm. I took care of mom and went to work until about 10PM and then cooked dinner and fed my mom and grandma did my homework and went to bed around 1 or 2 am I would get up the next day and do it all over again.
Don't try to tell me how tough you have it! There isn't anything you have been through that could even hold a candle to what I have gone through. I do not want your sympathy. But don't you ever bring up my wealth and make it like I am somehow LUCKY I have that wealth. I am not lucky for what I have. I worked hard for every damn penny! Gratefully my mom lived a full life and passed only 2 years ago. I kept my word to my father. I cared for her until her dying day 23 years later!

As for me calling you immature and annoying, I stand behind every word, except now I would like to add pathetic to the list of descriptive words I have called you.

Good luck with whatever it is you decide to do with the rifle you have ruined so far. But please, don't ask for help from me!

Mikey!
 
Sorry to hear about your mother and how you don't have it easy as well. And I can just as easily tell you to F*&^ off and that I don't care for what you went through, but I'm not going to say that because that is a life that I wouldn't want to live and I'm sorry that you didn't have it easy. Call me pathetic, whatever. Like it matters to me what you think. You've been nothing but an ass since your first post. I will however say this as my final work to you, which you obviously forgot to learn how to read in school, and I'll put it in large print to make it easier on your labored eyes:

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE STOCK. I DON'T NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT THE RIFLE EITHER. IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT A PROJECT TO ME, TO GET MY ADMIRATION WHEN FINISHED. MY ****TY CRAFTSMANSHIP ON THE RIFLE IS DONE SO IT WORKS FOR NOW. BELIEVE YOU ME, WHEN I GET THE CHANCE TO GET A BETTER SET UP FOR IT, I WILL, BUT I AIN'T GOING TO HAVE NO "IT BETTER BE PERFECT OR IT AIN'T WORTH A ****" OLD MAN TO TELL ME THAT MY WORK ISN'T WORTH THE TIME. I LIKE YOU HAVE WORKED HARD FOR WHAT I HAVE TO. THIS RIFLE IS MY VERY FIRST FREEBIE I HAVE EVER GOTTEN. EVERYTHING I OWN, EVERYTHING IN MY BEDROOM IN THE PICS IS OWNED BY ME AND PAID FOR BY ME. YOU WANNA KNOW SOMETHING? AS SOON AS MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS WERE BORN, I WAS IGNORED. I DON'T TALK TO MY FATHER, AND I HARDLY SPEAK TO MY MOTHER, BECAUSE I WAS IGNORED. EVERYTHING I KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT MY SELF. IT WAS ME THAT TOLD MY PARENTS THAT I WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL. THEY WEREN'T GONNA MAKE ME GO. AND I WANTED TO GO TO COLLEGE. BUT I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO GO TO COLLEGE, AND I HAVE NO CREDIT. THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOIG TO GET A SCHOOL LOAN MYSELF. SO DON'T TELL ME I HAVE IT EASY EITHER.

And if this post gets me banned, so be it. I'm not going to have some old codger tell me that I can't do something because he doesn't agree with it, nor does he think it looks good. So let the man have his words. I've had mine. I'm sorry to The High Road community for this, I have sunken to the low-road, and I am sorry. Please accept my full apology.
 
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This is the most bizarre thread that I have seen on THR.
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life deals us all different cards, but we have to suck it up and move on. If you want a deep wallet, get creative and work your @ off. All this class warfare pisses me off.

MosinFreak, you know the only reason people are still reading this thread is to laugh at your asinine replies, right?
 
I've asked the admins to delete it a few times already. And frankly, I don't care.
I'd rather look like an ass and argue my beliefs than be a pushover. I'm not an easy person to get a long with. I will tell you that much.
 
"The scope is working great now. How would you know for sure that it'll break instantly? Or after a few rounds? It's already survived 60+ rounds, and it hase been dropped a couple times already. It may break or it may not. Let me learn that for myself."

It will survive a .243, thats not what we were commenting on. We said it won't survive a 8mm and the recoil it produces. Now when it does break you'll be out $ that could have been saved towards a better scope. Also have you've look down range 1000 yards with that scope, there is no way that it could be better than a bushnell,leupold, SWFA SS, swift or weaver in their budget options. The saying goes you get what you pay for.

Also theres a multitude of people on THR. Some rich some poor some black some white some pink some tall some short some fat some old and some young. This is why its always best to keep thing strictly to Guns and Gun related material. Take the High Road.

Also if some one critiques your gear brush it off, one man's trash is another mans treaure. Also dont use all caps it doesn't help what you trying to say. You've been on here LJ, over 500 posts you know the deal

so let this be the last post, and end this before more people get their panties all up in an uproar :D
 
And again I apologize. Having read that and spoke of things I was trying to let go about my life has gotten the better of me.

And to save future headaches, I won't be coming here for advice or for show and tell again. Not after this.
 
Look LJ,

Lets call a truce.

If you go back and read all of my posts to you, I was nice to you and was trying to help you until you went off the deep end. Until then I figured you were young and had high hopes for your rifle that were just unrealistic because you didn't have enough knowledge on the subject. Then you said you were trying to quit smoking and to please accept you apology for your mood swings. Being a smoker myself, I understood where you were coming from. Then I read a few more posts where the posts were trying to give you some sound advice and then you just were unreasonable even for a smoker trying to quit. That's when I spoke my mind about your cheekpiece being custom. OK lets move on.

My guess is that you are 17 to 21 years old and are still living at home or you just got your first apartment. You had a job and your world is falling apart because you lost your job. Am I on the right track yet?

Anyway, to kill some time and to take your mind off your problems you came up with an idea about modifying your current rifle and thought you would post some pics and ask what we thought of your idea. Am I getting warm?

Then when we took you seriously and suggested that there are much better, more cost effective ways to do the project you dreamed about, you took offense, because we didn't fall right in with your vision of how it was supposed to work out on this thread. Then people started arguing with you, me included, about what you can and can't do with your rifle. I feel I am getting hot here.

Well, I understand that too!

I hate it when people tell me I can't do something. In fact it Pi$$e$ me off! Usually I will just do it to prove them wrong, even if I really didn't want to do it in the first place. If you notice though, I never said you couldn't do it. I never said you shouldn't do it. What I did tell you is that I understood what you were going through when people told me about the quality of my optics I thought they were full of it too!

Now about your cheekpiece. I love the ingenuity of your cheekpiece. I probably would have done the same thing. How do you think I figured out what you did there to make it? BUT... I would have never come on a forum of this caliber and suggested that it was custom. On this forum, custom means just that... Something that was custom made or an original work that was made precisely. Sleeves and duct tape is not precise. The vent holes in the stock although probably highly functional, were not done precisely. It does not mean that I think you work sucks. It just does not qualify your work as custom. Go look at my rifles. Click on my name and go find some of my work. You will notice I do not use the words custom in the description. Your work and mine are similar in quality. But I didn't define mine as Custom. Do you get what I am trying to tell you here?

I would love to help you with your project, especially now that I know your a young adult or teen looking for advice. Just do me a favor and don't get mad if you ask me what I think of something and I am honest with my answer. If you do not want to know the answer to a question, it is best left unasked.

Mikey!

Edit/// By the way... At 42 I am no codger! LOL Come on now. You are really going to get people mad on here. I would bet most of the members here are my age and none of us would consider ourselves a codger!
 
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