My future wife outed me in a crowd

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DagoRed said:
My apologies to anyone who felt I dispared them, it really wasnt my intention. Just didnt understand the pyschological need to carry at a family members funeral.
"Psychological need"?

As 444 attempted to convey, it is impossible to predict when you might be accosted by one or more individuals who wish to separate you from your money, your valuables, perhaps even your significant other and/or your life. The fact that you have never been attacked at a funeral means precisely that you have never been attacked at a funeral. Past history does not in any way or to any degree affect the statistical probability that you might be attacked at the next one you attend.

It's like flipping a coin. Doesn't matter if you get 49 tails in a row, the chances of getting heads on the 50th toss are still 1:2.

This has nothing to do with "psychological need." It has to do with an intellectual decision to be prepared, like a good boy scout. I am puzzled why you seem to find this so difficult to comprehend.
 
Just have a talk with her. Don't cut bait yet. It would be interesting to see how many of these guys that so easily say to ditch her are actually single.
 
DagoRed said:
My apologies to anyone who felt I dispared them, it really wasnt my intention. Just didnt understand the pyschological need to carry at a family members funeral.

You have completely missed the point, DR. This thread is not about the pros and cons of CCW at funerals.
 
http://www.john-ross.net/ross_in_range.htm

He has quite a few writings about marriage; read it, I don't agree with some of it, but it's food for thought.

That said:

If you have no idea about my history; let me give you the short short short version.

I was dating a woman for 7 years, and while we have our ups and downs, we were engaged to be married. Then she did something that foreshadowed her "real" feelings towards guns..

The problem isn't "guns", it's their view on self-protection, and the rights you have as to self-defense as well as your responsibility as the man of the house to protect yourself, and your loved ones.

Quite a few people told me "But you've invested 7 years of your life, and you want to throw all that away over a few guns??"

One of the pillars of good investing is: Don't throw good money after bad money. So if I've spent 7 years on that relationship, it'd be stupid for me to invest even more time into it. So, I dropped her like 4th period French class.

Was it easy to break up after 7 years?? Heck no! But, since I just got married to a lovely woman who is very very pro CCW, I am so thankful I didn't "go down that road". So I speak from experience.

Want to know something else that's crazy? My wife and I have never had an arguement, where as my ex and I would argue about guns all day long. I always thought, that I'd one day, be able to bring her over to "our side" but the fact that she's on the wrong side to begin with, should have been a warning flag.

If you ever watch movies, you'll know statistically, if someone was killed, the killer will most likely show up at the funeral. So packing at the funeral seems like a good idea to me!! And as I experienced yesterday, I think packing all the time whenever and whereever you can is a great idea. The life you save, might not be your own.

It's difficult, but you have to think about it. If I were you, I'd drop her, and find someone who is more "aligned" to your viewpoints. I speak from experience, and I am so glad I did what I did!!

Remember, tears of regret will rust a gun even if it has CLP on it, and losing 50% of your assets to some gun-hater is just going to add insult to injury.
 
Some good responses…

I'd probably say something like this,
"Why yes Dear I have most certainly have a gun with me today.
You I'm certain that I had one with me yesterday.
And you can be certain my gun will be with me tomorrow too.
In fact the only thing uncertain around here is, Will you be with me tomorow?"
:D

Or, if you're not the uncouth smartass that I am, you could say,
"I'm very sorry, but your Father isn't here to take care of you anymore. That's going to become my responsibility. And I take that responsibility very seriously."



I would keep the piece in the glove compartment during the funeral.
Do you have any idea how many firearms are stolen out of motor vehicles each year in the US? :scrutiny:

What needs to be understood and apparently is not understood by both Rockrivr1's EX and DagoRed is that if you CCW you need to have control of that weapon at all times. And a gun "in the glove compartment" is NOT under control. And in several states there are laws that collaborate that fact.

For most of my life the only time my girlfriend would have been surprised would be if she had discovered I had left the house and was NOT carrying.
I carried at both of my parents funerals. I've carried at weddings too.
I've carried at church, I've carried to the library.

The biggest thing to remember is that old cliche, Concealed means Concealed!
And a very big part of concealment is keeping your pie hole shut.
Concealment is a joint responsibility.


Out of sight is out of mind.
Unless you're out of your mind and then you can just stay out of my sight.
 
In the end, I have no problem with being prepared, and I am completely in agreement that we have a right, if not a down right responsibility to be prepared to protect our loved ones.
 
Update:

For whatever reason my fiance and I do a lot of our best talking to each other when we get up on the weekends. Basically we sit in bed and just go over stuff. It's nice and breakfast in bed on a Sunday is the norm. Well this past weekend I decided to have this talk with her and was completely blindsided by the conversation at first.

To preface this conversation I'll have to say that I screwed up in a way myself. I had a handgun stored in my truck and I forgot to take it out prior to dropping it off for service on Thursday. I put it into her SUV without to much thought, but I left it there and didn't take it out when we got home. She found the case it was locked in and she was a little upset about that. So the conversation Saturday morning started the whole conversation about how she didn't like having it there without her knowing it. In this she is right and I took responsibility for it. Dumb on my part.

This lead to the rest of the coversation where I told her that I'd been CCWing since July and that I thought she knew. Well I realized that she didn't by the complete look of shock on her face. The conversation after that could of been scripted by any anti ccw handbook. She started asking why I needed to CCW, did it make me feel cool, did I want to be a cop, do I feel in danger, why am I so much into guns lately, what if you take it out and the bad guy takes it from you and shoots you, what if I get mad at her and take it out and point it at her, did my parents know, what would they say if she told them, she doesn't want our baby to be in danger because I left it lying around, etc etc. Geez, it was like a debate i wasn't really prepared for.

I answer each question as best I could, but I couldn't help but get a little pissed in the process. I think she noticed this because she backed off. Basically my last response was something to the effect that she knew about my gun hobbie when we started dating and if she had a problem with it she should of mentioned it way before now.

The final outcome was that I told her that I am going to continue to CCW and she stated that I had better be careful. I told her I aways am careful and I carry to make sure that we are safe. The conversation went very well after that and she asked me to get dressed with my gun because she never noticed it before. I did so and she said that she'd noticed the slight bulge in my pocket, but she never registered it was a gun.

Then I got serious with her and basically told her that I never wanted to hear she told anyone about this. My parents, her family, our friends, nobody. I told her if she did then I would know I could never trust her. She promised not to ever again and for whatever reason I believe her. Since that conversation we've been with many family members and friends. So far she's kept her word and I fully expect that to continue. I hope I'm not being niave.

Things seem to be fine now. I know a lot of you said I should dump her and eject, but that just seems wrong to me right down to my soul. Does that sound dumb? I hope not, because at this point the wedding is still on. I really hope I don't live to regret this decision, but at this point going forward with our life together seems right to me.

Hummmm, maybe getting to personal for this board. I apologize as this has gone way past normal gun conversation.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Things seem to be fine now. I know a lot of you said I should dump her and eject, but that just seems wrong to me right down to my soul. Does that sound dumb? I hope not, because at this point the wedding is still on. I really hope I don't live to regret this decision, but at this point going forward with our life together seems right to me.

You need to make sure she realizes what your deal-killers are. Here's the problem: Most men have integrity to their word, while most women have integrity to their feelings. When we vow to love, honor, and cherish, we intend to do so even when we don't much feel like it. Women, as a rule, change their minds according to how they're feeling. Does this describe all women? Of course not. Might yours be like this? Possibly.

Go ahead if you must, but the FIRST time she breaks her wedding vows, file for divorce. After your health, your most important asset is TIME.

Good luck.

JR
 
First off, I agree, in general, with John Ross's statement that men most often feel integrity is keeping their word, while women feel they must stay true to their feelings.

I commend you for sticking with the relationship and for most importantly trusting your gut. No matter how much you write about your reality here, no one who is giving advice will know the entire situation. It will all just be spitballing, because we're not in your shoes. So good job trusting your gut, because it's usually right in my experience.

It sounds to me like your fiance just didn't know how to digest an idea that was so radical to her. If you DO YOUR HOMEWORK and learn good explanations of the logic and reasoning behind keeping and bearing arms, then you will be much more persuasive and effective in gaining her understanding. Try http://www.a-human-right.com/ , which is Oleg's site, to try to show your point of view.

I think a cornerstone of a good relationship is that both parties make themselves clear and both listen clearly. Let her know how you feel, how strongly you feel about it, what her not understanding that can mean (and be willing to follow through).

Incidentally, the way she acted sounds very much like most of the stories I've read around here with guys who were just getting into guns and were trying to explain it to their wives. First the knee jerk stuff, maybe anger, then curiosity, acceptance. If you're lucky, then you get transcendence, where they actually ask to come to the range with you. :)

Remember you're working against years of ingrained re-education from the leftist media and general societal bombardment against guns in general.

Overall, look around here/online for better explanations to tell/show her.

Good job and good luck-
 
Mnemesyne said:
On a side note....stop with the women bashing...not all of us females are out to steal every hard earned thing you own...As a matter of fact, I walked away with just what I entered into my past marriages with...Simply because my life was worth more then quibbling over possessions....Not all women are evil, manipulative twits....please don't lump us all into the same basket just because you managed to find a bad apple or two....

It's not women bashing, it's the reality of the family court system.

Consider this: Suppose you discovered one day that you had the actual power to control other people's decision-making thoughts, and therefore their actions.

Some of you might claim you'd never abuse this power. Maybe you wouldn't. But what would constitute abuse? If I had the power, I'd make Mel Gibson be wildly enthusiastic about my book, and make it into a movie. I'd like to see what the public's reaction would be.

Would this be abuse? The book's been a bestseller without any mind-control tricks on my part, so I might be doing Mel a favor.

I'd be tempted to have more people open accounts at my firm. That might be unfair to the people who lost the accounts, though.

Hmmm... what if we just fast forward to the end? How about I contact all of the Forbes 400 and have each of them donate $1,000 a month to me? Proportionally, it would be the same as me spending an extra 50 cents per month, which is to say, not even on the radar. And I'd make them feel good about it. $400,000 a month would be far more than I could spend on the things I like.

And, obviously, women I found attractive and interesting would make certain decisions that I would find... pleasurable.

My point is most of us will do what we are allowed to do.

And when we are allowed to do something for a while, we'll probably come to view it as our right.

Example: When our Governor Mel Carnahan was running for reelection, he and his son (and a staffer) flew their private plane into a thunderstorm and crashed, killing all. As chance would have it, they crashed on undeveloped rural property owned by my mother, but that's irrelevant.

The plane was over 30 years old and had a malfunctioning vacuum system (the thing that allows the artificial horizon to function, so you can see whether you're right side up or not in the clouds.)

The vacuum system had been replaced a long time ago, and needed to be replaced again. The son had a history of pushing the weather. Many of us saw him do it, out of our airport.

The Governor's widow (a U.S. senator) sued Cessna. I thought this showed the woman had no shame. Blaming Cessna would be like blaming GM when your 1973 Chevelle with bald tires crashes when you're driving 80 mph on ice.

Cessna coughed up $400,000. They were afraid to go to trial. They were afraid the jury would see "grieving widow and mother, big rich airplane company" and open up the company treasury.

She went after the money not because she actually thought Cessna had made a faulty product. They clearly hadn't. She did it because she knew she could.

I hope rockriver has a happy, lasting marriage. But here's the thing that ought to worry him:

IF she decides to dump him and keep the kids and much of his income, she will be allowed to, just like Jean Carnahan was allowed to shake down Cessna for $400,000. And the reason she might be likely to do that is she's already exhibited bad behavior even BEFORE the wedding...

JR
 
I got out'ted by a friend once..

We were at the gun show in Las Vegas.. Walking around, most of his friends didn't know I was not from LV, but from LA..

So we were walking around, and everybody is talking about their piece.. and they ask me, "So whatcha packin' right now??" I told them I wasn't..

"WHAT?!?! YOU AREN'T PACKING??" Well, guess the whole show now knew as well..



My ex played out the situation as well. I told her, later on, I'd carry when I moved out of LA.. She was "uncomfortable" with it be willing to accept it. That is, until she got peer pressure from her anti friends...

So if you are going to keep her, take her shooting.. That's generally the eye-opener. "It's your hobby, not mine!!" if she says that, then she's not into taking responsibility for YOUR safety. I tell my wife, "You need to learn to shoot so if I'm hurt, you can "reply" to the perps with a few bullets downrange.." She thought it a reasonable request.. her counter-request was "I want a gun that's pretty and __I__ pick it.." Yeah, I'm ok with that..
 
el44vaquero said:
It would be interesting to see how many of these guys that so easily say to ditch her are actually single.

I am. I learned a difficult lesson the hard way. Never again. I'm only trying to pass on my experiences so someone else can avoid the mistakes I made.
 
***, Over?

I'd get this hammer out before you tie the knot. If she's uncomfortable with guns now, wait until your married and she's closer to them than ever.
 
John Ross said:
It's not women bashing, it's the reality of the family court system. IF she decides to dump him and keep the kids and much of his income, she will be allowed to, just like Jean Carnahan was allowed to shake down Cessna for $400,000. And the reason she might be likely to do that is she's already exhibited bad behavior even BEFORE the wedding...JR

Bottom line: Human being behave like, well, like HUMAN BEINGS!! With all of their shortcomigs and weaknesses. It amazes me how many fail to recognize this fact. I cannot tell you how often I've heard, "We're all adults, we don't need to be treated like children." or some variation thereof.

But we ARE children. Our society and various institutions have to be organized to recognize this fact. Every business I've started or run has been established with this organizing principle. I don't patronize or insult others but I do recognize that with the proper structure people and businesses flourish.

If you build a welfare state that rewards sloth and illegitimacy don't be surprised when you discover sloth and illegitimate births out of control. Of course liberals will always tell you that people are better than that. They aren't children. BS!! People will respond to rewards.

If TV, movies and all the media celebrate promiscuity don't be surprised when our children, and yes our adults, act accrodingly.

And when you build a divorce court system that refuses to assign fault and is empowers women and gives no recourse to men don't be surprised when women abuse it. Sure there are women who won't but they will be the exception.
 
twoblink said:
her counter-request was "I want a gun that's pretty and __I__ pick it.." Yeah, I'm ok with that..


So what did she pick? That titanium-rainbow Sig? :D
 
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