My future wife outed me in a crowd

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I understand a lot of the points made. I just don't think I would care in the funeral home. Upset women tend to over react. I do agree with the fact that brushing the gun should have been no big deal, but in my experience, give a woman a reason to bitch and she will. Again, this would not be a big deal for me, definitely not a deal breaker. I agree with discussing with her the need for some code words if you like.
 
I have been to funerals of distant family members. It is a surreal experiance trying to grapple with the death of someone whom you were close to. I can only imagine that it would be much more intense an emotional experiance with the death of a parent.

There are stages in greif and coping and I think it is most likely that her noticing the gun snapped her into reality, that her father is dead and I/we could die at any minute (as the gun is a tool to help protect against that).

So maybee she simply reacted out of disbeleif/desire not to recognize reality.

A talk is in order, but it was a mistake that came out of a very emotional situation. There is no reason to beleive this problem can not be fixed.

my condolences to the family.
 
JohnKSa said:
mr. trooper,

This thread isn't about people with differing views.

It's about someone publicly humiliating someone they're supposed to love.

And it's about someone choosing a method to publicly humiliate which is potentially dangerous in many situations.Exactly correct.

However, I'm afraid the young lady in question has indicated that she is not interested in working out the differences--she's working on eliminating those differences by shaming her fiancee into submission. And that's NOT the same thing--not at all.

In fact, outing a person's carry habits in public is pretty much the OPPOSITE of "looking out for each other."What? After all that talk about working out differences, now it turns out that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is immature? Hmmmmm...


VERY well said!
 
mr.trooper said:
Regardless, i still think its rediculous that everyones first reaction to any bump in the road is "Drop her like a sack of potatoes!", or "Run away while you still can!". Its Childish to "Run like Hell" the first time you run ito a problem. If thats your reaction to someone who thinks differently than you, then you will never have a lasting relationsip.
Yeah, you're right. It's much better to marry her, have two or three kids, argue a lot about the values you DON'T share in front of the kids and each partner try to get the kids on his/her side ... and THEN get the divorce.

The kids will thank you for it the rest of their lives, too.

Sheesh.
 
I would print out this entire thread and let her read it. It may open her eyes to the seriousness of her actions and their possible future consequences..(ie remaining single)

It may also teach her the correct attitude that she shoud quickly develop.
 
Hawkmoon said:
Yeah, you're right. It's much better to marry her, have two or three kids, argue a lot about the values you DON'T share in front of the kids and each partner try to get the kids on his/her side ... and THEN get the divorce.

The kids will thank you for it the rest of their lives, too.

Sheesh.


Amen!

I've been there and done that. Costly lesson, indeed. :banghead:
 
Rockrivr, it seems you've got both oars in the water (as a veteran of BT, DT).

Bide your time, let the dust settle, take a few deep breaths, and have your talk. If cranial rectitus and emotional immaturity/instability is still in evidence, then you know what you've gotta do. Good luck to you, and best wishes for a happy outcome, whatever that may be.
 
Well, with the marriage scheduled in five weeks, I think you've got a tough situation to deal with. After two years of dating, and being five weeks from getting married, it appears that you have invested a lot of time and emotion into this relationship.

I don't think I could just walk away without at least talking about it and what it really means to you and your future together. If she persists that you were wrong to carry at her fathers' funeral, that will be something that will come up again and again over the years and I don't think that bodes well for your future together. (I think that would definitely fall into the "bail out" scenario.)

What I haven't seen discussed here is what making that very public disclosure will really mean for you for some time. I'm not talking about any unscrupulous characters at the funeral. What I see is that at least several people will probably have conversations in the coming days about you carrying a concealed firearm at that funeral. Whether they are pro or con on gun issues, I firmly believe that some who heard that comment will find it notable enough to discuss with others and your name will be used. Who they have those conversations with, or who overhears them, could impact your personal safety and/or your risk of a burglary. (It could be an incident that is significant enough to some to mention in conversation for a long time.)

I believe that needs to be CLEARLY pointed out in your discussion. This isn't just an "oopsie", this is something that has the potential to endanger you and/or your home.

I guess all I can do is wish you the best of luck with whatever decision you make.

GB7
 
To me, this has almost nothing to do with concealed carry or her like/dislike of guns in general.
To ME it is the huge issue that she attempted to publically humiliate you. She airs her dirty laundry in public. She wasn't able to discuss private matters in private. She isn't able to keep a secret. She obviously is attempting to mold your behavior. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I can tolorate some unusual behavior during times of stress. I deal with this almost every day. I have worked as a paramedic for over 20 years. I have told numerous parents that their child is dead and many other horrible episodes: too many to list. Just mentioning this brought back a laundry list of things I wish I never saw that I wish I could forget........... But for me, this funeral thing is way over the line and I would be gone like last night's steak dinner.


John Ross posted one sentence. I have found him to be a very intelligent and logical thinker. Someone who pays attention and is aware of the things going on around him. You might find his website interesting. He writes a great deal about his opinions on the beahavior of women. I am certainly no expert on anything, let alone women, but a lot of stuff he says is stuff I have observed over the years. I think he is right on the money about most of it based on my own life experiences. http://john-ross.net/ross_in_range.htm I would highly recommend that anyone thinking about getting married should read those articles on his webpage.
 
3 of the most evil words you can hear...

"My future wife"
bail now b4 yr completely FORD...
 
was it determined that she was actualy tyring to humiliate him? ... I think it more likely that she simply wasnt thinking strait at the time, from all that was hapening.
According to the initial story, there were TWO incidents on TWO consecutive days. So much for the "oops" theory. This is a pattern of behavior, not a single momentary abberation. I stand by my earlier comments.

In my opinion, she's got an agenda (conscious or unconscious) and the stress of the current situation is a convenient excuse to begin implementation.

As far as this type of thread almost always turning into a "dump him/her fest", there's a GOOD reason for that. By the time a person is frustrated enough to sit down and post a problem they're having with a love interest/spouse, things have generally gone beyond the "Honey, let's talk it over and then kiss and make up." stage.
 
???

The fact that she blurting something out twice in public, at a very stressful time in someone's life (hello, losing a father, five weeks before marriage!!??!), quite simply does not mean she was trying to "publically humiliate" you. I see a rather clear link between the two: first, an emotional reaction when, already distraught, she makes you and reacts to it. Ok, not what some of us would prefer from women who have daily exposure to guns, but probably something most women would do in a similar experience. Secondly, having this already imprinted on her emotions for that evening, the second incident I think does not relate NEAR as much to "public humiliation" (if at ALL), but rather to the state she was in. The fact of the matter is, most women DON'T wear guns to their own wedding, though many of us might fantasize so.

This should not be the litmus test of your relationship. Rather, you should be asking, from the two years you have had together, have you discerned a strong mutual committment for a lifetime together, regardless of the conflicts (believe me, MUCH worse will come than that over firearms), and when those conflicts come how will you relate over the long haul? Those who are willing to bail when the going gets tough will simply experience the same kind of relational loss repeatedly, regardless of the person they are will. A marriage is not a "single issue vote." Those are the questions you should ask concerning your relationship, and if you can't honestly answer those in the affirmative concerning her commitment to her, then you probably have no business getting marriage; and if you can't answer in the affirmative concerning your own commitment, then you have no business marrying anyone to whom you cannot make a similar covenant.

Guns are wonderful, and you will have a lifetime to lead her and teach her. But female emotional reactions at times of high stress should not be the litmus test for marriage, regardless of our own "Louis Le'meour" Sackett fantasies.
 
Gaiudo,

Sorry, but as I posted earlier, I don't believe stress changes what's inside, it merely reveals it.

The issue isn't that she's blurting things out under stress, it's WHAT she's blurting out under stress and the fact that in she seems to be making a point of doing it in public situations.

It's not about guns either, although the fact that it is elevates it a bit from the level of merely blurting out the color of one's underwear. No matter how embarrassing or inappropriate that might be, it's not possible for it to get you killed. What she's doing could conceivably do just that in the proper (though admittedly unlikely) situation.

What it's about is that she seems to have a problem with his behavior, and rather than attempting to solve the problem by working through it, she's broaching it loudly in public.

It's dirty pool. She brings it up loudly in front of bystanders in a situation where he can't respond in a constructive manner without making things worse. Then, in spite of the fact that she knows got him to lie publicly the first time--which should have been AMPLE evidence that he's, at the VERY least, touchy on the subject--she essentially repeats the tactic with a slight twist the next day.

It smacks of intentional humiliation and intimidation.

Not good things in a relationship.

And not the kind of traits one should look for in a spouse.
 
candid

JohnKSA,

Unfortunately, stress often does promote undesireable reactions (undesireable even in the eyes of the actor), in many circumstances with untried persons. This should be understood, though educated and trained for the better.

As for the public humiliation bit, there is probably a good way to address that. Simply sit down and have a candid conversation with the girl, avoid the confrontational "DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN TO ME IN PUBLIC" kind of rhetoric (guaranteed to produce more defensive, offensive situations), and simply ask what her purpose was in making the second statement. If she indeed says it was to "publicly humiliate" or "teach you a lesson" or anything of the sort, then I agree, this is not the kind of person I would chose to be tied to in any way. On the other hand, if it is simply a case of "I was emotionally ragged, distraught, and I am sorry that I put you in a bad position" this would probably reveal a fairly different side of things. Again, honesty in relationships should be rather important, especially five weeks before marriage....

Perhaps I missed it, but does age come into play here? This is honestly the kind of reaction I would expect from a 23 year old young lady unaccustomed to firearms. Not my daughter, or my wife (the second NOW knows better, and I plan on teaching the first as the time comes), but again, fairly typical. However, if we are treating a 35 lady who one would expect to have the maturity to tame the tongue, even under such duress, I would have to wonder about the potential for future progress.

Someone posted before that you can't change someone; no, you shouldn't go into a relationship expecting to "change" them. However, maturity happens. A young lady, if possessing qualities and traits suggesting a good mate, should not be disregarded for simple immaturity that most would recognize as fairly typical.

However, I agree with alot of people here on this: its not normal for someone to come to a gunboard, complaining about something like this and asking marital questions, and it being the ONLY cause for his discomfort. Perhaps you should examine things on a wider level. Although, I know that cold feet does seem to kick in about that time..... However, regardless of the timing, to remove yourself now from a relationship in which you consider trapped will be MUCH easier and less painfull for all parties then five years down the road.

In resumation, I would again suggest that some wisdom is clearly needed in such evaluations as this, and should have been taking place for the past two years. If you are not in the position now where you can confirm being committed to live with this person for as long as you live, regardless of the circumstances (i.e., cool-headedness over guns and funerals, or the lack thereof) then indeed you had best look elsewhere, for I doubt you will be anytime soon. I do not thing this isolated occurance should not be the litmus test for your relationship. If however, it points to something deeper, which you have seen as an underlying constant, that should alert you to something.

Regardless of the armchair counceling you see going on here (myself included), none of the posters here know your fiance. You have had the opportunity to gauge her over a two year period. Simply examine what you know of her. I guarantee you will be able to see the picture clearer than anyone here who has no broader perspective on this girl. Make an honest, honorable evaluation in light of those two years (and, this circumstance as well). Luck.
 
Rockrivr's new lady;

Yeah... you need to educate her a bit on the points of guns / carry / etc..
I don't think it is realistic to hold someone accountable even though it may seem "common sense". If she indeed is a 'blabbermouth' about stuff in general, I have little doubt it would be 'surefire' problems and you'd probably already know that about her. Best of luck...
 
RockRivr1,

Have you and the Fiance' discussed (in the past) your desire to CCW? Or was this all a big surprise?
Doesn't sound as if her family is all that keen on CCW either. Trust me, you do marry the family.
It will become an issue later as you have kids or are subjected to being around family members' kids..."Is he carrying? I don't want my precious little darlings to be around guns", etc, etc.

Sounds as if it's time for a serious heart-to-heart with the fiance'. This (CCW) is more than a "lifestyle", it's a very serious responsibility.

I called off a wedding 1 month prior to the date...it just didn't feel right. We were in a bad place and getting married wasn't going to erase underlying issues.

Deep down, you know what you feel and you know what needs to be done.


Lex in NC
 
One more thing from me and I will shut up.

IMO, we as a society tend to insist on finding reasons for things appearently in order to excuse them. For example: we might know for an absolute fact that someone murdered someone else. But we have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out why, as if that will change anything about the situation. In this case, I don't really care why this happened. The fact is that it happened and I would spend the rest of my life wondering when it is going to happen again. I would be wondering how stable she is. If she lost it with the stress of her father's passing, just how much stress does it take for her to lose it ? Is it OK to disregard his feelings, their trust etc. every time she gets stressed ? Can I count on her to keep it together during all the other stresses life has to offer over a lifetime of marriage ? She might be fine. She might be a rock from now on. But, you will never know. It happened once and that will always be there, in the back of your mind.
IMO, the pre-marriage days are the good days. They are the days when both of you are on your best behavior. Things will only go downhill from here once that ring is on her finger.
If she is publically announcing your personal business in front of a crowd at the funeral home, what do you think the chances are that she will discuss all manner of personal business with her friends and family over the years ? Is this OK with you ? And if she is so willing to share, I am sure those people will freely give her advice: which she will happily share with you........
 
For those who advocate cutting her some slack because she was under stress consider this...

What will she blurt out at the top of her lungs if you're even in a life or death situation?

Suppose you're standing in line at a convenience store when Joey Numbnuts decides to pull his revolver and scrounge up some extra beer money from the register?

Will she scream out, "LOOK HONEY HE'S GOT A GUN JUST LIKE YOURS?" :what:


What will she yell in public if she ever gets angry with you?


There are some bigger problems here that just firearms.
 
And if she does blurt out something like that, is that OK because she is stressed ?

Not with me it isn't.
 
Agreed. Demote her status from future wife down to girlfriend, until after the heart to heart talks, and conciliation (or not) that flows therefrom.
 
I think that JohnKSa is right on the mark. It isn't about guns, it's about humiliating the other in public. It's about behaviour toward the other in public. If the gun issue disappears, then she will find some other way to get stressed and to produce public put-downs.

I would eject, rat now.
 
JohnKSa said:
The issue isn't that she's blurting things out under stress, it's WHAT she's blurting out under stress and the fact that in she seems to be making a point of doing it in public situations.

It's not about guns either, although the fact that it is elevates it a bit from the level of merely blurting out the color of one's underwear. No matter how embarrassing or inappropriate that might be, it's not possible for it to get you killed. What she's doing could conceivably do just that in the proper (though admittedly unlikely) situation.
I agree with this only partially.

I think it IS about guns. The first incident, well maybe we could write it off as surprise ... even though she certainly should have been smart/adult enough to hold the comment/question until later.

But the second incident, IMHO, shows what's really happening. "You put the cards in the GUN safe?" Why the emphasis on "GUN"? It's a safe, right? It's undoubtedly the most secure repository in the house. Why question putting things of monetary or sentimental value into the most secure place in the house?

Answer: because there are GUNs in there. Taken in context with her reaction at the funeral the day before, I am of the opinion that this young woman somehow feels that her father's memory has been defiled, by the presence of a GUN at the funeral, and by putting the sympathy cards in a GUN safe.

Actions speak louder than words, and her actions say loud and clear that deep down inside, she believes that guns are dirty, ugly, evil things.

This is not a good thing. It does not bode well for the future of this proposed marriage.
 
444 said:
John Ross posted one sentence. I have found him to be a very intelligent and logical thinker. Someone who pays attention and is aware of the things going on around him. You might find his website interesting. He writes a great deal about his opinions on the beahavior of women. I am certainly no expert on anything, let alone women, but a lot of stuff he says is stuff I have observed over the years. I think he is right on the money about most of it based on my own life experiences. http://john-ross.net/ross_in_range.htm I would highly recommend that anyone thinking about getting married should read those articles on his webpage.

Thanks for the kind words, 444. Here are some things to remember:

1. All of a woman's bad habits will persist and worsen after marriage.

2. Women initiate between 75%-80% of all divorces because the Family Court system rewards them for "cashing out." They keep the kids and continue to get the ex's paycheck.

Since the Family Court rewards women's bad behavior, when a man comes here to THR describing red flags he's received from his fiancee, the ONLY logical advice is to call off the wedding.

Still want to get married? Okay, then do this: Tell Cupcake that you will uphold your wedding vows for exactly one HOUR longer than she does. Tell her what "Love, honor, and cherish" means to you. If, for example, it means no shaming language, no withholding sex, and no going into debt, TELL HER THAT. Explain that you will Ernest Borgnine her @ss the instant she breaks her vows. If this phrase is unfamiliar to you, read a piece I wrote at

http://www.john-ross.net/marriage_ii.htm

and you'll get the picture. There's a reason that men are currently on a marriage strike...

JR
 
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