My hero! Sniping Iraqi insurgents...

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Defending Diplomats

I think Moshe Dayan was an example of a great diplomat who should be honored for his efforts in the peace accords with Egypt. Yes, he was a brilliant military leader, but a peace that has lasted with Egypt I think is no small accomplishment.

Eisenhower was a great military leader, but a diplomat at the same time as Supreme Allied Commander--keeping the fretting children (Monty and Patton) from rolling on the carpet kicking, screaming and biting one another.

Perhaps two of the greatest diplomats in history were Churchill and FDR. Both men knew that Stalin was a monster, little different from Hitler [anyone still arguing there's much difference between National Socialism and International Socialism in terms of a Totalitarian Rating?], but both men also knew they would have to engage in perhaps the greatest game of diplomacy in history in order to effect the defeat of Nazi Germany.

Diplomacy is saying "Nice doggie" until you find a stick.
 
Dayan was a terrorist against the English in the Haganah group, so you think a terrorist can be a great example of a hero.

For Churchill and Roosevelt, one was a drunk and the other a womanizer. A real hero would not side with someone that they know is bad, giving power to communism. To Americans at the time, the war in Europe was of little importance versus Japanese expansion, but FRD wanted war in Europe. Then after many Americans died for USA and England to attempt to remain most powerful nations, Roosevelt gave Russia the country of Poland and 2/3 of Germany to rule in communist darkness for 40+ years. FDR was also a socialist that took away American freedoms that we still do not have back.

Real heros do not need to be soldiers, but they need to have principles and the courage to do what is right, versus what will give them more power.
 
Has anyone here seen the DVD Exploding Varmints? I bought it on Midway. The first DVD in the series is mediocre quality, shooting ground squirrels, but the second one is digital and includes rock chucks. They have one incident of a twofer--one rock chuck was several feet behind another, and the shooter was in position to put one bullet through both of them.
 
Diplomats,

Diplomats will sell you out, Soldiers will get you out when a diplomat sells you out.

My only use for diplomats is to hold the paper when the enemy unconditionally surrenders.

-DR
 
Perhaps two of the greatest diplomats in history were Churchill and FDR. Both men knew that Stalin was a monster, little different from Hitler [anyone still arguing there's much difference between National Socialism and International Socialism in terms of a Totalitarian Rating?], but both men also knew they would have to engage in perhaps the greatest game of diplomacy in history in order to effect the defeat of Nazi Germany.
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Yes, but the diplomacy was largely responsible for the Cold War period that immediately followed the Second World War. Appeasing Stalin may have seemed like a necessary evil at the time, but it gave him a foothold in Eastern Europe and a level of world power he would not have otherwise had. If, as some of our generals suggested we should, we would have taken the fight to Russian right after we got done with Germany and Japan, the war would have been prolonged, but might have prevented us from having to deal with another atomic super power. Of course this may be over simplifying since there is no easy solutions to war, but it was the collapse of the Soviet Union after the Cold War that brought us our present form of terrorism. So while costs to rebuild Russia in addition to Germany and Japan would have been enormous, it might have saved us the cost of nearly every war since then, including Korea, Vietnam, and our current "War on Terror." It is of course hard to tell for sure, but at least in this case, it is probably doubtful that the diplomacy of FDR and Churchill did anything but postpone the inevitable.
 
Ludd said:
Dayan was a terrorist against the English
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So was George Washington.

Ludd said:
For Churchill and Roosevelt, one was a drunk and the other a womanizer.
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Frank Serpico was a womanizer. Audie Murphy was a drunk. Pappy Boyington was both. I suppose the only heroes are those without sin.

Ludd said:
A real hero would not side with someone that they know is bad, giving power to communism.
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You sound like the idealists who oppose Shall Issue CCW laws because "if it ain't Vermont Carry then I don't support it." The world ain't so perfect that we only get to choose between the Justice League or the bad guys.

Ludd said:
To Americans at the time, the war in Europe was of little importance versus Japanese expansion, but FRD wanted war in Europe.
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True enough. All the more reason to ascribe heroism to Churchill and FDR insofar as their actions as leaders in WWII for saving western civilization.

Ludd said:
Roosevelt gave Russia the country of Poland and 2/3 of Germany to rule in communist darkness for 40+ years.
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The Soviets took Poland. No asking or giving of it. As to Germany, neither side had a warm fuzzy feeling about leaving the option of a 4th Reich rising again in 10 or 20 years.

Ludd said:
FDR was also a socialist that took away American freedoms
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Freedoms Americans have been all too willing to give up. Ever 2, 4 and 6 years for a long time now, voting age Americans get to choose whether they like the status quo or want a change. FDR may have introduced socialism, but Americans willing adopted it.

Ludd said:
Real heros do not need to be soldiers, but they need to have principles and the courage to do what is right, versus what will give them more power.
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Politics - the art of the possible
 
Well, on topic of the actual original post, and in response to the comment about the M14--

This guy was in another article I got from Military.com. Same guy. He uses an M16A2 Squad Advanced Marksmanship Rifle. Never heard of it before, either.
 
Great job Marine,

as for the other, war is diplomacy by other means, said by someone probably smarter than me.

Regards,

James
 
Diplomat/shlipmomat..........what rifle was the sniper most likely using to get off so many shots in so short a time?
 
I was just going back through and reading some of my past posts and wanted to enjoy this one again. Unfortunately a lot of crappy news reporting agencies decided to remove this excellent story from their web sites. But it's still out there if you search some of the terms from my original snippet - such as here:

USA Today - Marine sniper metes out swift death in Iraq's most dangerous neighborhood

Still reads just as good as when I first found it back a couple years ago...
 
Don't remember where I heard it, but line went something like this:


"The sole purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis"
 
We honor the soldiers because they put there own lives at risk. The diplomat, puts everybody elses lives at risk!!!
 
[not] To play devil's advocate, but what if those Iraqis weren't even snipers, but having a BBQ and throwing back some beers on their rooftop. With the strict curfew in conflict areas, and the popularity of BBQs (for some, the only way to cook their food), people conceivably resort to their rooftops for this purpose.

Sorry, but I just hate this war. I know that our soldiers are doing great work in getting rid of insurgents and other bad guys, but I also know that 30,000+ completely innocent men, women and children Iraqi civilians have been killed by US troops for simply being Iraqi. It is a matter of fact that our forces over there are highly racist, which is why they signed up in the first place. I also know of a marine who came home 3 months ago, attempting to sue the US for forcing him to kill civilians. I hope he wins, considering if roles were reversed.

Please don't tell me you've forgotten how much we hate sand-*******, towlies, etc. Most of us were of the mind of "kill them all and let god sort it out". Well, we've been doing pretty much that, exactly.

"Sir, but he's only a toddler. Both parents have been neutralized."
"We were ordered to _clear_ these buildings, not become a daycare."
(yes, this did happen.)
 
Good diplomacy is what brought us WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc..... It's called head in the sand while they kick your a$$. Please, somebody tell me of even one dictator or fanatic regime that has ever been defeated or deterred by a Diplomat...... Anyone????
 
One man's terrorist is another man's patriot.

I am sure that if we were invaded by a country - we would want to fight back.

It depends on what side you are on.

The politicos 'got' the wrong country and the wrong 'people'.

SNAFU.

Peace through superior firepower.

God bless our troops and bring them HOME.

Catherine
 
Because is the diplomat did their jobs in the first place , the soldier wouldn't have to do his.
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Can't agree with this. To many idiots out there looking for a fight and won't accept anything less. Unfortunately they sometimes get into positions of power where they can push entire nations into war.

BTW Great job by this young man and all of our men and women working to protect our country.
 
Raccoon, could you please provide a reference for:

It is a matter of fact that our forces over there are highly racist, which is why they signed up in the first place.
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I would like to know the source.

Thank you

NukemJim
 
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