My neighbor is going to Mississippi and wants to borrow my SKS

[Horsesense]

My neighbor is going to Mississippi and wants to borrow my SKS

He is a deputy jailer and he has been offered a contract to "work" in MS. He was told that his employer has a letter from the Governor and that he should "bring any gun he wants". The thing is that he doesn't have any suitable long guns. I told him that he could owe me the money if he would give me what I paid for it or I would loan him my M44.

I also told him that he needed to confurrm that a SKS, HP ammo and a bayonet were ok, he will get back to me, however he seemed to be getting cold feet after I suggested that he increase his life insurance and asked him if he had considered that he may have to kill someone.

 

[joab]

If you think it's for a good cause let him borrow it or like you said accept his IOU for the sale

 

[Frandy]

he seemed to be getting cold feet after I suggested that he increase his life insurance and asked him if he had considered that he may have to kill someone.

Yeah, well, better to find out now whether you can handle the job. Better now than later.

 

[GRB]

So he borrows the gun, he then winds up in a bad situation and kills someone. A lawsuit ensues. Guess who is named in the lawsuit. If you loan him that gun you had best be 110% certain it is in perfect working order, the friend knows how to use it and is very proficient with it, that it is 100% legal in the situation in which it will be used, that it conforms 100% with all the regulations governing the job, and on and on. Make sure to remove the bayonet before he uses it.

This is not like handing a friend a gun to help defend your homes as rioters attack and it is a desperate situation of life or death. This is alawsuit waiting to happen with you as one of the losers.

 

[Horsesense]

You make a good point Glenn. I will give him the M44 (it was only $40) or he can sign an IOU for the SKS.

 

[GRB]

Someone could still try to sue you but, this way at least it is his firearm and therefore with a sensible jury, he would be responsible for it as opposed to you owning and sharing the responsibility. Lousy thing all these lawsuits based on the blame game but they are now a fact of life in the USA.

 

[KriegHund]

Sell it too him for 1$.

Buy it back from him for 1$.

 

[Taurus 66]

So he borrows the gun, he then winds up in a bad situation and kills someone. A lawsuit ensues. Guess who is named in the lawsuit.

Yes, it's bad what a lot of lawyers have done to our justice system.

The sheriffs department won't lend him a rifle?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Sell it too him for 1$.

Buy it back from him for 1$.

But be sure to sell it to him. And make up duplicate copies of the paperwork, one for each of you, signed and dated by both people.

Absolutely correct -- it's his choice to go there, but since nobody has any clear understanding of what rules/laws apply or don't apply or might be in abeyance or just being overlooked -- the last thing you need is a neigbor down there shooting people with YOUR gun. If it's in your name, YOU are responsible for it ... and I assume you're not going along to tell him who to shoot and who not to shoot.

 

[Pilgrim]

I think I look at from a morbid point of view. What will he leave for you to compensate his getting whacked and you never get your rifle back?

Pilgrim

 

[Crosshair]

Wolf HP ammo works in my Yugo SKS just fine. Just in case you need to know.

 

[El Rojo]

The lawyerphobia around here cracks me up. I mean sure, I guess better safe than sorry, but if it were me, I would give him a gun and tell him to make sure it gets back in one piece or I know he is a good enough guy to do what I would do if I borrowed something. Bring it back in better shape than it left. No one is going to sue you if he has to shoot someone. There are much bigger fish to fry.

Seriously, this lawyerphobia has to stop and someone needs to start just doing the right thing in defiance of lawyers and unfounded fears of lawsuits. Of course I won't hold my breath.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

I think I look at from a morbid point of view. What will he leave for you to compensate his getting whacked and you never get your rifle back?

Just write off the SKS when you give it. If it comes back, its an unexpected bit of good luck.

To equate a neighbor's life with an SKS? I like most of my neighbors, so it better be a good SKS, a genuine Russian-made piece.

 

[Sunray]

"...a deputy jailer..." A what? If he's a cop or any other form of LEO, he'd be issued anything he requires. The real question is why isn't he being issued a firearm? An SKS isn't standard issue to any North American LEO I've ever heard of. Where would he get ammo? Horsesense, this sounds like BS of the highest order to me.

 

[Borachon]

I live in Mississippi. I'm away from the coast going to college, but my family lives(d) in Bay St. Louis.

Tell your buddy to take his side arm. He isn't going to Somalia or Iraq. All the people down there are shell shocked. The gun shots that he hears will probably be residents dispatching snakes, rats, and alligators. You aren't hearing about mass shootings and all that in Mississippi like you are in New Orleans. The demographic make up on the Coast is not like New Orleans. It's mostly large families. Tell everyone you meet that your name is Ladner and they'll have you in for a family reunion...because everyone on the coast is a Ladner. (Not quite true...but damn close.)

Frankly, if your buddy is more concerned about what sort of long gun he needs to bring, then I'd rather he stayed at home. If he was concerned about what sort of water to bring, or what other help, then I'd say come on.

He sounds like he wants target practice. We aren't the type of people you want to try that stuff with. Especially right now.

 

[Taurus 66]

No one is going to sue you if he has to shoot someone. There are much bigger fish to fry.

Ah yes, so simple it is, just fire away with the absolute complacency that martial law trumps all. That'll get you somewhere. Don't believe it! Everyone's a half a step away from their own day in court, and there are plenty of attorneys out there fresh to the system and eager enough to try something.

 

[Borachon]

Another thing.

Tell your buddy if he does come here to be polite.

All of us hunt here. We all know how to shoot, and shoot well. We have one of the highest percentages of citizens who join the armed forces. So anybody you might meet could have been in special forces and many of them will have at least served in the military. Many of our citizens have done some truly honorable service overseas. Tell your buddy that.

The most dangerous thing to your neighbor will probably be to his waistline...assuming he brings enough ingrediants to let the women bake him a pecan pie. If he brings that, I promise you he'll eat good every day he's here. Because we have wonderful people here.

On the negative side, we still kill each other over affairs of honor. I've seen feuds between men that lasted for 25 years that finally ended with one of them killing the other. I've seen a man shoot both his wife and her boyfriend in a church parking lot. The consequences to the murderers freedom never even being a consideration.

We have a high rate of police officers killed in our state. Most of our people are "live free and leave me alone" types of people. When you mess with them, you are asking for trouble. What I'm saying is, is that we have lots of citizens who wouldn't think twice about shooting an out of state cop who started roughing up their wife or children...especially when they haven't had a bite to eat in 5 days and only river water to drink. Don't take my word for it. There has got to be a website that shows the percentage of police killed here in Miss. and how that works out to a national average.

We also don't like people from other places coming down and telling us what to do. We've had that happen a couple of times since 1860 and we didn't like it then and we don't like it now. If you are coming to help, you'll find we are the nicest people on the planet. If you come here with the wrong attitude and start throwing your weight around, I promise you that you'll get hurt.

 

[Borachon]

Everyone's a half a step away from their own day in court, and there are plenty of attorneys out there fresh to the system and eager enough to try something.

Our attorneys were the ones who beat the TOBACCO INDUSTRIES' attorneys. Forget that old stereotype about the guy in a white suit drinking mint joolips on his front porch...the attorneys we have now are pit bulls.

If our cops (local sheriffs and local police) see you (a foreign cop) throwing your weight around and blasting people for the hell of it, they'll either A.) arrest you, or B.) make you wish they had.

Your neighbor isn't going on a safari in Africa for God's sake. He doesn't need to debate what firearm works best for shooting Mississippians. Tell him to bring his side arm, and he'll be able to pick up a rifle or shotgun around here...if he thinks he needs it once he gets down here and looks the situation over. My prediction is he'll find out that the long gun is unnecessary and burns the hell out of your arms when you leave it in the sun too long.

 

[Byron Quick]

Sounds like home to me.

 

[Borachon]

Sounds like home to me.

Ah...a Georgian!

Our canoe-ers can make it down the rivers without sodomy.

Otherwise, not much difference.

 

[Taurus 66]

We have a high rate of police officers killed in our state. Most of our people are "live free and leave me alone" types of people. When you mess with them, you are asking for trouble. What I'm saying is, is that we have lots of citizens who wouldn't think twice about shooting an out of state cop who started roughing up their wife or children...especially when they haven't had a bite to eat in 5 days and only river water to drink. Don't take my word for it. There has got to be a website that shows the percentage of police killed here in Miss. and how that works out to a national average.

We also don't like people from other places coming down and telling us what to do. We've had that happen a couple of times since 1860 and we didn't like it then and we don't like it now. If you are coming to help, you'll find we are the nicest people on the planet. If you come here with the wrong attitude and start throwing your weight around, I promise you that you'll get hurt.

AMEN Borachon! You are new here but you will soon discover many who post are loose and trigger happy. I guess they just don't come to grips with the real world or simply think the laws in their local land also apply elsewhere. It's almost as if Hollowhead Hollywood hollwed their heads to the point that they can react in a way to a situation the actor does on the screen, especially if it's Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson.

Be certain your shot is justifyable, 'cause most southerners don't take wrongful shootings at all lightly. Lynching is still the order of the day in those parts, and claiming ignorance is not a formidable plea.

If you're spared for some reason or another, it's because you're destined to suffer your remaining days a poor man walking the planet.

 

[odysseus]

Your neighbor isn't going on a safari in Africa for God's sake. He doesn't need to debate what firearm works best for shooting Mississippians.

Right on the money!

 

[El Rojo]

You know, I would figure that the standard around here, as far as shootings go, would be you don't shoot unless you absolutely have to and if you do shoot you make sure you are justified in doing so. I guess I made the mistake of assuming that most people in this country and most people on this board fully understand what makes a legal and justified shoot and what is not. It would seem that according to some of this board anyone who wants to take a rifle along for their protection is incapable of knowing what is right and proper and they are more likely to just start randomly shooting innocent civilians and endangering the general public. In addition, no one should ever use a rifle to defend themselves because there will be lawyers waiting to sue the crap out of you and take your money, your kid's money, their kid's money, and their unborn children's money. No, nevermind the fact that if you make a lawful shoot justified by self-defense laws of your state you are not liable for the situation that someone else placed you. No no. The lawyers will sue you and they will win. It is best to just dig a hole and not come out of it for fear of being sued for leaving your hole open for someone to fall in. In fact, you should just get in your hole and fill it in while you are in it just to be safe.[/extremesarcasmanddisgust]

 

[Taurus 66]

You know, I would figure that the standard around here, as far as shootings go, would be you don't shoot unless you absolutely have to and if you do shoot you make sure you are justified in doing so. I guess I made the mistake of assuming that most people in this country and most people on this board fully understand what makes a legal and justified shoot and what is not. It would seem that according to some of this board anyone who wants to take a rifle along for their protection is incapable of knowing what is right and proper and they are more likely to just start randomly shooting innocent civilians and endangering the general public. In addition, no one should ever use a rifle to defend themselves because there will be lawyers waiting to sue the crap out of you and take your money, your kid's money, their kid's money, and their unborn children's money. No, nevermind the fact that if you make a lawful shoot justified by self-defense laws of your state you are not liable for the situation that someone else placed you. No no. The lawyers will sue you and they will win. It is best to just dig a hole and not come out of it for fear of being sued for leaving your hole open for someone to fall in. In fact, you should just get in your hole and fill it in while you are in it just to be safe.[/extremesarcasmanddisgust]

NO! See, it's not gonna work. You forgot to put [extremesarcasmanddisgust] at the beginning.

 

[El Rojo]

Damn, you're right.