My neighbor is going to Mississippi and wants to borrow my SKS

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My neighbor is going to Mississippi and wants to borrow my SKS
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Why worry about all of the legalities and liabilities of lending your rifle to him? Just tell him to go out and buy one. Go along to help him pick one out.
 
Lynching is still the order of the day in those parts, and claiming ignorance is not a formidable plea.
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Bull????. There hasn't been a lynching in the south since 1981.

They might take you out behind the woodshed and beat you within an inch of your life, but they won't lynch you.
 
I've had trouble with this question. It is similar to the often question of SHTF and neighbor needs gun do you give them one? On the one hand your neighbor really should have been prepared. Plus this is his method of employment so the rifle and some training would have made sense.

On the other hand, you are not in the SHTF situation, a bunch of good people in MS are so why not help out. Its not like you can't replace the SKS at the next gun show for cheap. And if the guy needs to shoot someone with the rifle, we'll I'd have a special pride about my rifle having been used to take down a looter or rapists or something.

So I guess I'm for giving him the SKS, just make sure you tell him that if he gets TV interviewed to MAKE DARN SURE he makes the point that the rifle he is using to keep MS citizens safe was donated by a citizen from X state. We could use the good publicity as gun owners right now.

You know what, ask your friend if other cop/security guys need rifles because I bet we could get a lend/lease program started and that would be GREAT PR. And the right thing to do. I'd go buy an AK just for the occasion and it could be stamped like the ones were for the UK in WWII.
 
Let me get this right...He is a deputy/jailer;a peace officer.He can get work down ther e to keep the peace,maybe by force of arms.And he's getting cold feet??What am I missing?Or more importantly,what is HE missing???Did he think that his takng the job meant he'd never have to use force??Or that fights are choreographed to never escalate to a lethal level of force??
Is he really young for the job??I'm not trying to bust his b@lls,I just might have had a different upbringing,even up here in Ted Kennedyland/Massghanistan.
 
They might take you out behind the woodshed and beat you within an inch of your life, but they won't lynch you.
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Depends. We've got some lynchings on hold. Can't find the lynchee. There's a murderer from this area. Tried. Convicted. Imprisoned. Was given a life sentence instead of the electric chair and paroled in seven years due to political pull.

He hasn't been home in forty years. He didn't attend his father's funeral, his mother's funeral, or any of his kin's funerals because he didn't want to attend his own funeral.

The family of his victim is still waiting on him to decide that enough time has gone by to let bygones be bygones. So far, he's got better sense.
 
My neighbor is going to Mississippi and wants to borrow my SKS
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The original post was by HorseSense. Is this the same HorseSense who (with his cousin's help) used to do strange modifications to Makarov pistols?

If so, glad to see that you haven't been "Darwinized" by gunsmith experiments.

And if your cousin "improved" the SKS, don't give or lend it. Don't even touch it. :D

Regards.
 
He decided to stay at home. He is not a gun guy and his job consists mostly of moving prisoners, searching cells and what ever else those guys do. My reluctance was based on the fact that he, most likely, was getting in over his head, what kind of work do they want you to do if they tell you to bring any gun you want? While on the other hand it could be just standing and guarding something. In any case I wouldn't want to deny a neighbor the use of a long gun, just incase, but I would have been more comfortable in his ability to use the M44 than the SKS (spray and pray comes to mind) and its just a tough situation all around.

I'm glad that he backed out.
 
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Sorry I started to draw a wrong conclusion;I've had the misfortune to encounter people who were happy to get a public trust position,get paid for it,but freaked when they realized they might have to do the job.These being recent encounters,I was probably a little pre-judgemental. No offense was/is intended. :eek:
 
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No, nevermind the fact that if you make a lawful shoot justified by self-defense laws of your state you are not liable for the situation that someone else placed you. No no. The lawyers will sue you and they will win.
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Nobody said the lawyers would win. But if sued, the guy who lent the rifle still has to pay to defend himself against a meritless suit.

And, there's always the chance that the plaintiff might win.

Want to do away with lawyerphobia right quick? Get the ABA and the Trial Lawyers' Association to stop using a "shotgun" and "deep pockets" approach, and to focus on justice rather than compensation. IMHO what you're seeing isn't a fear of lawyers, it's plain and simple disgust at the way many (I might go so far as to say "most") will prostitute themselves in the pursuit of $$$$ for their clients -- and for themselves. Most are more concerned with winning than they are with seeing that justice is attained. That's wrong.

I agree that everyone is entitled to their day in court. That does not mean that they are entitled to win a meritless suit. It means they are entitled to pay the filing fees, pay their attorney, and stand there listening as the judge throws the case out. Unfortunately, that happens all too rarely.
 
I wasn't referring to lynch by a court of law.
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Although the verb "to lynch" comes from an Irish judge of that name who sentenced his own son to hang, it has long since come to mean an unlawful killing by a mob. There are no lynchings by a court of law.
 
I don't think it's a good idea to "loan" a gun to someone who is voluntarily going into a bad situation. I'm judging the right or wrong, good or bad or going to help out. In fact I would commend him. But he needs to go out and buy his own weapons. SKS and AK's are relatively inexpensive and commonly found. I would expect a gun in such an application to be put to hard use (dings, scratches and so forth, not necessarily shooting) and it's sure to come back to you worse for the wear. Liability considerations are also important.

Now, if you (and he) were already in a bad situation and this guy is your buddy and needs the gun.......well, I've already said in another thread I support loaning him the gun provided he understands that he is responsible to you for what he does with your property.
 
Nobody said the lawyers would win. But if sued, the guy who lent the rifle still has to pay to defend himself against a meritless suit.
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I have never heard of this happening, has it?

Thats a serious question, not smart assed at all
 
Pardon me for being so blunt, but why not point him to a store that sells SKS's?

If I wanted another SKS, I could could drive to any number of stores within 20 minutes of my house, and have a shiny new SKS in my hands at home in less than an hour.


Giving a rifle to someone who isn't familiar with it isn't too much different than giving a teenage daughter a case of wine coolers and a box of condoms and telling her to go have fun.
 
I have never heard of this happening, has it?

Thats a serious question, not smart assed at all
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I don't know if it has happened. The point is, if the first guy lends the gun, it remains his property and under the law he is responsible for its use (or misuse). If the gun has been legally transferred (either by sale or by gift), then the first guy is no longer the owner and is not responsible for what the new owner does with it.

I don't consider it a "phobia" to recognize the reality that trial lawyers always seek deep pockets and always seek additional pockets when filing lawsuits seeking compensation. If there is any way to drag you in, they'll do it. How bad is it? A number of years ago the firm I worked for at the time was sued by a volunteer fireman who injured himself falling from a ladder because he showed up at the fire drunk. That should have been reeason enough to dismiss the suit, but it wasn't.

But the best part is, my company was hired AFTER the fire, to design the repairs to the building. Yet the lawyer for the fireman named us in the suit, claimed the fire was caused by OUR faulty design (which had not yet been performed) ... and the judge initially was so dense that he couldn't understand why we moved to be dismissed from the suit.

And you wonder why I hold lawyers in low esteem? I come from a family of attorneys and judges. The last quit private practice and became a professor because he couldn't stomach the lack of ethics displayed by his colleagues. And that was couple of generations ago ... it hasn't gotten better since then.
 
It sounds like at this point in his life he can't afford to buy his own long gun. I'd say if you have a spare for defending yourself let him have it.
 
Point One, The Mississippi Side of the river has not been the scene of wide spread looting and social unrest over this as of yet. I have been recruited by several companies to head down and help with the New Reconstruction. I would not be surprised that by next year much of the affected areas are dramatically different in demographics.

Point Two So many of the residents are going tobe gone, adn so many new comers in place trying to help rebuild. The lever of damage is such that it it going to affect the price of new commercial construction for many years. The demand for skilled commerical heavy construction workers is going to be a national issue.

Point Three. I truly believe that in the next three weeks there will be no time for larceny down there, every one will be to busy rebuilding to have much time to be out messing around.

For a hundred bucks if a neighbor needed the gun i would give it to him, sell it for a dollar. makes it legal, not to kowtow to the lawyers, but then he can truthfully say to anyone concerned that it was his weapon.

I am looking at going down, living in a trailer for a year, will take a couple of stainless hanguns, maybe a 870 marine not sure yet. Would feel plenty comfy that way.
 
I wasn't referring to lynch by a court of law.
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I wasn't either. I know you must think we're all a bunch of backwoods, illiterate, inbred, hillbilly rednecks who wouldn't care if we had sex with a goat or our cousin, but this isn't Arkansas, it's Alabama. (sorry, couldn't resist for the people in Arkansas).

We're not all card carrying members of the Ku Klux Klan. We don't all hate minorities, we're not all white supremacists. I know this is difficult for you to understand, having been brainwashed, I mean educated, in the North, but until you get to visit the area, maybe you can just take my word for it.
 
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I wasn't either. I know you must think we're all a bunch of backwoods, illiterate, inbred, hillbilly rednecks who would wouldn't care if we had sex with a goat or our cousin, but this isn't Arkansas, it's Alabama.
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HEY NOW! You think I called you illiterate? I take great offense. :D
 
what kind of work do they want you to do if they tell you to bring any gun you want?
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The kind of work were it doesn't matter if you bring a howitzer or a single shot .22...because they don't expect you to USE either. Your gun is intended to be a deterent showpiece.

I'm glad that your friend decided not to come here though.

As the old saying goes:

"Come to help
You're welcome to stay.
Come to shoot us.
Please stay away."

If he changes his mind and decides to come, he'll be welcome as long as he can throw ice and pick up trash.

I'm not trying to minimize the situation. There is SOME gunfire, and you do NOT want to be in violation of curfew, but the majority of gunfire is for snakes, and pets that have "flipped out". Armed confrontations between neighbors, or between hurricane victims and the police, just haven't materialized here in Mississippi...and won't. Unless some new extraordinary set of events changes things.

On the subject of lynchings in Mississippi. Well...as I understand it...they aren't done in public anymore. If we have lynchings...and I have no proof we do...then they are disguised as suicides that happen in jail. Someone is found hanging in their cell, and you don't know if it is suicide or something else. Public lynchings went out a while back.

Our society has a barely repressed fascination with lethal violence though. We carry a lot of that Scots/Irish blood in our veins, and we aren't above killing someone if we think they deserve it....even if most other independent observers would question our motives in doing so. I think that most of the Southern states have a veneer of civility that keeps us from shooting each other every five minutes or so. We practice religion and politeness as a balm to an underlying savagery. And we can be quite savage. I've often thought that Southerners shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol because drinking tends to let our dark sides run more freely. My view is not a popular one though. ;)

Our civility is not false though. It is merely the gentle side of our nature. I've seen men who cheerfully killed Germans for 2 years break down in tears over a bag of puppies that were abandoned on the side of the road.

No I'd say that lynching is very much out...at least for the moment. We do have a real sense of tradition though about most everything else...I don't see why lynching would be any different...if the situation called for it. No, I'd say lynching is currently out. If we want to kill someone now, we pull up outside their house, pump 20 or 30 shots thru their drywall and then get 'em with the shotgun when they run outside.

As a final thought, Television has gone a long way toward killing Southern Culture IMO. It's very hard to find a real down home ringing Southern accent anymore. There are people who can effect one for Yankees who won't know any better, but the true accents of Mississippi are gradually blending toward the TV norm. Kinda sad actually.
 
the true accents of Mississippi are gradually blending toward the TV norm.
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I Think the true Mississippian accent may have died with Shelby Foote. It's really a shame to be losing it.

There was a time in my youth when you could tell what state a person was from by their accent and to some extent from there features.

Mississippian was always one of my favorite accents
 
I have been recruited by several companies to head down and help with the New Reconstruction.
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If this name is catching on, I suggest someone come up with an alternative, perhaps some play on "the South will Rise again".

:uhoh:


"Hello friendly Southerners, I'm from Massachusetts and I'm here with the "New Reconstruction." Where do I put my carpet bag?"

<bang>

:evil:
 
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