My new 1891 Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53 argentine

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tark said:
Read post # 8. The 7.65 can safely reach 308 velocities with loads that are perfectly safe in a 91. Norma used to load a 150gr bullet at 2920FPS for this cartridge. Those boxes were not marked "for 1909 only " They were safe in all Argentine Mausers.
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That is your opinion, but I wouldn't put my face against that load in a M1891.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
MSRP $600?? :rofl:
The manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) is the amount of money the producer of a product recommends the product be sold for in retail stores. I don't think anyone is making these anymore.
I see that you copied that from that web site.
I hope that you didn't pay close to that price. When it comes to surplus rifles the ones in original condition are the ones that bring the higher prices.
Now the ones like Browningguy,s rifle that are pretty much a custom rifle and bring good money too.
When it comes to a basic drill and chop sporter you shorter, they just don't hold much value. Pretty much all collectors value is gone once it has been drilled and tapped.
Now this is not saying that the rifle is junk. In fact I have see drill and chopped surplus sporter that were great shooters. The plus side is that they can be picked up at pretty fair prices.
I ended up with a few chopped Spanish Mausers a few years ago. One was a hell of a shooter and the other would keyhole at 10 yards. I ended up treading both to a friend for a M44 Mosin. My friends plan was to make nice sporters out of both. But he ended up selling both to a guy for $400.
From time to time I see these type of rifles in pawn shops for under $200. I pass on them because I prefer them in military dress.
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where are these mysterious collectors who pay high prices for unaltered mil surps? in 35 years I have not met one when I was selling rifles
 
I have an original 1891 full length rifle. I remember making cases for it out of 30-06 brass. at that time there was no ammo for it except for a few boxes of original argentine ammo on stripper clips I got when I bought it
 
salt&battery said:
where are these mysterious collectors who pay high prices for unaltered mil surps? in 35 years I have not met one when I was selling rifles
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That would depend on what you are selling. Not all surplus rifles are sought after the same. A few years ago you could pickup a clean Turkish Mauser for $75 to $150. Now they go for $200. Have you seen what 03A3s are going for these days? I'm glad that I found one that had a chopped stock at a third the going price, and had a good stock in my spare parts.
Here is the post I did on it.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/remington-03a3.753322/
You have to remember that years ago the surplus market was flooded with rifles. Things have pretty much dried up. When supply is low and demand is up, it's a sellers market.
If you were into surplus firearms back in the 80s, you may remember that Enfields in excellent condition sold for $80, now they are in the $400 range.
Some think that Mosins 91/30s are a good deal at $200. Less then 10 years ago I bought a crate of 20 for $1700.

I have restored many rifles over the years. Parts were easy to find and there were many rifle that had only the stocks cut down. Now days it will sometimes cost you to restore one as it would cost to buy one in good condition. Unless you are like me and have a good stash of surplus parts.
Rifles like the 1891 Argentine Mauser were slow sellers until the market started to dry up. Now days they bring double what they sold for 10 to 15 years ago. Also the availability of new ammo has helped. It's hard to sell a rifle that you can't find ammo for.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
That would depend on what you are selling. Not all surplus rifles are sought after the same. A few years ago you could pickup a clean Turkish Mauser for $75 to $150. Now they go for $200. Have you seen what 03A3s are going for these days? I'm glad that I found one that had a chopped stock at a third the going price, and had a good stock in my spare parts.
Here is the post I did on it.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/remington-03a3.753322/
You have to remember that years ago the surplus market was flooded with rifles. Things have pretty much dried up. When supply is low and demand is up, it's a sellers market.
If you were into surplus firearms back in the 80s, you may remember that Enfields in excellent condition sold for $80, now they are in the $400 range.
Some think that Mosins 91/30s are a good deal at $200. Less then 10 years ago I bought a crate of 20 for $1700.

I have restored many rifles over the years. Parts were easy to find and there were many rifle that had only the stocks cut down. Now days it will sometimes cost you to restore one as it would cost to buy one in good condition. Unless you are like me and have a good stash of surplus parts.
Rifles like the 1891 Argentine Mauser were slow sellers until the market started to dry up. Now days they bring double what they sold for 10 to 15 years ago. Also the availability of new ammo has helped. It's hard to sell a rifle that you can't find ammo for.
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yes 03's went up but it took over 30 years. we don't live forever lol
 
salt&battery said:
yes 03's went up but it took over 30 years. we don't live forever lol
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You would not believe it but video games and movies have had a lot to do with the price of surplus guns. After Band of Brothers came out, the price of US Military surplus guns took a big jump. Within the last year WWI area weapons have gone up due to the video game Battelfield 1.
have you seen this. ORIGINAL 1903A3 SPRINGFIELDS FROM THE PACIFIC SERIES.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/thepacificmovie-1903a3package1.aspx
 
gsbuickman
If you plan to restore a Mauser that you buy, be sure that the metal has not been altered. The stock will most likely be your biggest cost to restore. I do have some surplus stocks that are not in the best of shape but can be fixed up to be serviceable. Contact me and I might have something I can give you.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
You would not believe it but video games and movies have had a lot to do with the price of surplus guns. After Band of Brothers came out, the price of US Military surplus guns took a big jump. Within the last year WWI area weapons have gone up due to the video game Battelfield 1.
have you seen this. ORIGINAL 1903A3 SPRINGFIELDS FROM THE PACIFIC SERIES.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/thepacificmovie-1903a3package1.aspx
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without the band of brothers series it would have taken 75 years for the 03's to go up :evil:
 
GunnyUSMC said:
You would not believe it but video games and movies have had a lot to do with the price of surplus guns. After Band of Brothers came out, the price of US Military surplus guns took a big jump. Within the last year WWI area weapons have gone up due to the video game Battelfield 1.
have you seen this. ORIGINAL 1903A3 SPRINGFIELDS FROM THE PACIFIC SERIES.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/thepacificmovie-1903a3package1.aspx
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Before the Band of Brothers series of games came out there was also the Medal of Honor game series starting with Medal of Honor, Medal of Honor Underground and expanding into Medal of Honor Frontline and Medal of Honor Rising Sun as well as several others that made a huge impact on milsurp firearms. As a matter of fact I have pretty much every Medal of Honor game that they put out to date.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
gsbuickman
If you plan to restore a Mauser that you buy, be sure that the metal has not been altered. The stock will most likely be your biggest cost to restore. I do have some surplus stocks that are not in the best of shape but can be fixed up to be serviceable. Contact me and I might have something I can give you.
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Thanks, if you happen to have a full length stock for this Argentine kicking around that would be greatly appreciated.
 
salt&battery said:
where are these mysterious collectors who pay high prices for unaltered mil surps? in 35 years I have not met one when I was selling rifles
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Oh, when someone's selling one they suddenly the collectors don't have a dime to spare. But when it's your rifle and you consider sporterizing it to make it more functional, suddenly the darn thing is a national treasure and modifying it will "decrease the value". Screw 'em. Do whatever you want with your property. If they want to keep the rifle original, they can buy it (at your price) and then it will be their property to do with as they see fit.
 
Llama Bob said:
Oh, when someone's selling one they suddenly the collectors don't have a dime to spare. But when it's your rifle and you consider sporterizing it to make it more functional, suddenly the darn thing is a national treasure and modifying it will "decrease the value". Screw 'em. Do whatever you want with your property. If they want to keep the rifle original, they can buy it (at your price) and then it will be their property to do with as they see fit.
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Sounds like you have had some bitter experiences trying to sell some items.....
 
Merle1 said:
Sounds like you have had some bitter experiences trying to sell some items.....
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No, I just find "collectors" who want to tell other people what to do with their property pathetic. If you want to control what happens to it, you better be willing to pay for it. Otherwise you're just flapping your gums.
 
Llama Bob said:
Oh, when someone's selling one they suddenly the collectors don't have a dime to spare. But when it's your rifle and you consider sporterizing it to make it more functional, suddenly the darn thing is a national treasure and modifying it will "decrease the value". Screw 'em. Do whatever you want with your property. If they want to keep the rifle original, they can buy it (at your price) and then it will be their property to do with as they see fit.
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now that is a beautiful post and so true. that has been what I have seen
 
Merle1 said:
That is your opinion, but I wouldn't put my face against that load in a M1891.
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I have, years ago. I had a cut down 91 and the thing weighed about seven pounds. It kicked like a mule with the Norma load, but the cases looked completely normal. Don't know if Norma still produces that particular load, but it is listed in my "Cartridges of the World". They doubtless used a powder not sold to the public. Ammo companies love to do that. The 2017 Gun Digest lists the 150 gr bullet at 2785. Lyman's 49th lists 44gr of 4320 with 180 gr bullet at 2590. These are just under 308 ballistics. No doubt they are being deliberately conservative.

Anyway, here's a pic from the 1965 Gun Digest showing the 150 grain Norma load.
 

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tark said:
I have, years ago. I had a cut down 91 and the thing weighed about seven pounds. It kicked like a mule with the Norma load, but the cases looked completely normal. Don't know if Norma still produces that particular load, but it is listed in my "Cartridges of the World". They doubtless used a powder not sold to the public. Ammo companies love to do that. The 2017 Gun Digest lists the 150 gr bullet at 2785. Lyman's 49th lists 44gr of 4320 with 180 gr bullet at 2590. These are just under 308 ballistics. No doubt they are being deliberately conservative.

Anyway, here's a pic from the 1965 Gun Digest showing the 150 grain Norma load.
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you cut down an 1891? I would have given you 2000 for it in original condition :evil:
 
Actually, I did cut it down. I was a crazy high school kid that had not yet developed a functional brain. The collector bug had not bitten me yet. I have a 91 today and it is a 98% gun......with a ground crest. It also will not feed the last round from the mag.....which probably explains the 98%. It's pretty but it isn't worth much.
 
tark said:
Actually, I did cut it down. I was a crazy high school kid that had not yet developed a functional brain. The collector bug had not bitten me yet. I have a 91 today and it is a 98% gun......with a ground crest. It also will not feed the last round from the mag.....which probably explains the 98%. It's pretty but it isn't worth much.
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the one I got is the long rifle all original they even numbered the walnut stock. it says made by deutsche waffen. it is like 95% condition
 
1891 7.65x53mm Mauser and Arisaka type 99 7.7mm with mum $200 for 2 6-30-2011.jpg 1891 Mauser bolt 6-30-2011.jpg

Some old guy died. His daughter was an electronic technician who was friends with a technician that used to work for me.
I paid $200 for 2 rifles.
More recently I have got some morals and have been paying more than guns are worth to individuals and full asking price at pawn shops.
 
"More recently I have got some morals and have been paying more than guns are worth to individuals"
Good on ya, Clark. Giving folks what their thing is worth is like working an honest day for an honest day's wages. How we aught to be with one another.

Love your .22 work as well.

-kBob
 
I bought an anshutz 22 target rifle off an old lady whose house I was working on when I was 30 for $200. found out it was worth at the time 600. shot it against my Mossberg 22 heavy barrel and could not outshoot it with the anshutz and sold it for 600. felt bad went back gave her 300 more. I remember she almost cried when she sold me the gun cause of her husband
 
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