My New Super Street Hawk 454 Pocket Revolver Picture

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I wanted to post a picture of my almost finished JRH Super Street Hawk 454 pocket/packing revolver. It's not a Freedom Arms, but it is a very handy trail / front pocket 454/45lc/45acp revolver. The factory grips work well after a little bit of shaping.

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What kind of velocities are you getting out of that thing?
 
I have to assume this is a joke. The .45 ACP and the .45 Colt/454 don't even have the same diameter. It certainly doesn't look like the frame of a .454 Ruger.
 
444, the optimum barrel spec is the same for the 45ACP and the 45LC/454 family. There's nothing at all improbable about this combo. Ruger Blackhawks have been available in double-caliber 45ACP/45LC for years with no reports of significant accuracy differences. I checked into this about a year ago when I was pondering a double-cylinder SA setup - if I recall right, the barrel spec was .451 for both but don't quote me, that's based on old memory. I DO recall clearly that they are the same.

Ruger also ships 357/9mm convertibles and THOSE often suffer in accuracy in 9mm because the spec really is off there.
 
:what: :cool:

Me like...

Maybe you can post some details about what you did after you are done with some more pics.

GT
 
Freedom Arms offers .45 ACP, .45 Wmag, and .45 LC cylinders as drop-in options for their Model 83 .454 C guns.
 
Jim, jacketed bullets for the .45 ACP are normally .451" and bullets for the .45 Colt/.454 are normally .452". 9mm jacketed bullets are nomrally .355" and .357 bullets are of course normally .357". Granted, that isn't much difference and it can be done. I also own a Ruger Blackhawk with interchangeable cylinders in both .45 and .357. I don't own a .454 but I have read a little bit about them. It seems that due to the extremly high pressure involved things such as bullets themselves become critical. If I am not mistaken, doesn't the .454 have the highest pressure of any cartridge used in a handheld firearm ? Something like 80k ? I wouldn't want to be playing around with three differnent calibers, moonclips and all that in a .454 myself. But, I guess if the gun was designed for the .454 cartridge, the other stuff wouldn't be nearly as critical.

I don't know, I would like to have a little more info such as what frame was used etc. I hope it is for real. It is certainly an interesting idea.
 
Hi the 45 acp is compatable with the 454 Ruger and shoots quite well, we convert the 454s for Moon Clips so you can use the 45 acp...

Wildlikeslite454sAlaska
 
By they way, I am not calling anybody out or anything. Just looking for some insight, maybe I will learn something.


Why would you want to shoot .45 ACP in a .454 revolver ? Not so much, why would you want to, but why would you spend the money for the gunsmithing etc. ? In the Blackhawk, you buy the gun and it comes with two cylinders. I never saw the point there either, but it is kind of nice to know you can do it. But if I wanted a reduced load in the .454, I would just handload .45 Colts.
 
Maybe he did it for the fast reloads. full moon 45 ACP reload faster than anything else in a revolver.

What I'd like to know is how he got the frame and cylinder that nice stainless/chrome look since the 454/480's are made with the new alloy that is dark "target gray".

Hard chromed with the top of the frame/barrrel left factory gray?
 
Well, in setting the cylinder up for moon clips, he's got it so that all three calibers work with moons. The extra gunsmithing would have been minimal. It's a sensible solution; reload speeds with all calibers would be quite fast.

Another advantage: the 45LC/454 rim width is really on the small side for use with a DA extractor star. There's a risk that a case rim could get stuck under the star and lock the gun up. By switching to moons, that entire issue is no longer a problem. Getting the extra caliber (45ACP) would be a cool bonus for free.

Why do it? In town, for personal defense, 45ACP is a fine caliber. Cor-Bon 165grain Pow'R'Balls would work great in a short tube like that. You've also got all kinds of cheap practice options in 45ACP without reloading - ammo costs for both 45LC and 454 range from high to "oh my GOD!".

As to the finish, looks like they just stripped the gray finish away and polished it up. A reasonable choice, as once you chopped the barrel and such, you wouldn't be able to re-create the factory finish on the bare stainless metal now exposed. This obviously started as a standard 454 Ruger; by the markings on the cylinder, that's stock too.

This gun really isn't all that seriously modified. The barrel is chopped and crowned, hammer bobbed, re-polished, moonclip mod and it's got what seems to be a new sight rail across the entire top of the frame and barrel holding up the front sight. Somewhat puzzling...maybe they were trying to hide the sight mount?
 
Well, in setting the cylinder up for moon clips, he's got it so that all three calibers work with moons. The extra gunsmithing would have been minimal. It's a sensible solution; reload speeds with all calibers would be quite fast.

Exactly Jim.

In addition, when I am out and about, I dump a few extra loaded moon clips here and there in my gear so I always have extra ammo.

Interestingly, we originally tried cutting the barrel down like in the pic for our Wolverine Conversion...we got to much flash and loss of velcocity so we now keep it at 4-4 1/2.


This gun really isn't all that seriously modified

I dont know about that, we need about 8 hours of machine time and finishing to do one of ours...

Wild33ounce454sarefunAlaska
 
444, I have a package of Georgia Arms .45 Colt ammunition that's loaded with 200 grain Gold Dot JHP bullets originally intended for a .45ACP. (velocity 1100fps). They shoot quite well. The bullets are, for all practical purposes, interchangable, from everything I've been able to gather.
 
This started life as a stock Ruger 454 and than it had a 3.5" barrel. I have a couple of Freedom Arms revolvers but they are single action guns and I have not yet mastered rapid single action shooting in .454 Casull :)

This Super Street Hawk 454 was custom built for me by Jack Huntington. It can be ccw carried in the lively streets of Oakland (.45acp/super) to Wyoming to Anchorage to the plains of Africa as a back-up weapon. The .45 acp moon clip conversion makes reloading MUCH quicker. It is good to about 15 yards and for close range targets. I would not recommend the 45acp conversion unless you want to shoot at 15 yards or less or for self-defense. The original finish was polished off and the scope ring slots removed. The Buffalo Bore 365gr loads are really good at 25 yards. I will try to post some chrono data for the .454 in 365 and 300 loads within the next couple of days.

Wildalaska do you build a snub nose 454? I looked at the pictures of the one you built and from your previous postings I was under the impression that you had not built a snub nose 454 yet? What velocity did you get from your snub nose? Could you please post a picture as I am always interested in seeing pics of interesting conversion work.

Why did I have it done? For the same reason that I own a 4.0" Freedom Arms 454- Because I can. It's that simple. This will hold me over until my ***NON-FACTORY / CUSTOM CONVERTED*** Freedom Arms 500 JRH is delivered;)
 
To give credit where it is due, Arron B. (Wildalaska?) is the person who made me aware of the moon clip conversion on the Ruger 454.

Jim March, will you make me the IWB holster since I did not have you make me one for the 3.5" 454 version?
 
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