My Taurus broke in a "what the H*LL way"

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I bought a Taurus PT145 years ago as a concealled carry 45 instead of my full size Charles Daly 1911 Empire EFS.

Since I traded my Charles Daly for my new Kimber SIS 5" I haven't carried or shot the Taurus for a while. It was good to me when I did carry it so I felt it derserved a range trip. So I pack my PT145 along with my Kimber and my Judge and I was off to the range. I have a different post today about the Judge: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5847696#post5847696

Anyways, today I fired two full mags with it (20 rounds total) then I reloaded the mags and went to shoot the next full mag. I hand cycled the first round, lined up by sites, pulled the trigger, and the gun went FULL AUTO!

My response was "what the F _ _ _?!?!

Also it did not lock open after the insanity.

To make sure I was not hallucinating I loaded the next mag and nerviously hand cycled and shot again; and AGAIN it went through all 10.

What the H _ L L is going on?

Is this possible?

I put the gun away and finished the day with my Kimber, needless to say it worked flawlessly.

I got home and the Taurus would not field strip. I tried, I cursed, and punched the table, and nothing.

It won't come apart.

I am simply confused.

P.S. My accuracy with a full auto 3" 45 is horrible, really very horrible
 
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If the firing pin gets stuck in the extended position (due to dirt, mechanical defect, hardened grease, uncleaned powder residues, insect eggs, etc in the mechanism) on ANY semi-auto, it will do that.
 
Wiry Irishman, I know. I yelled at myself after, but it was just so crazy. If this had not happened to me I would not think it was possible.
 
When I was in the Army, one of our Battalion medics Beretta supposedly did that at the clearing barrel. I wasnt there but my platoons medic said it was kinda scary.
 
I saw it happen once at the range where a husband did some garage gunsmithing to his wifes Colt Officer to lighten the trigger pull at her request. It went full auto on the firsr mag, and she was holding it. Here reaction was funny and not so funny at the same time. First she was laughing and then started crying after she realized what had happened. Then she started taking out her anger on her husband because he had NOT tested it before giving it back to her!!! Needless to say the range officer asked them both to leave. Funny thing is she was shooting at a human sillouette target and she stiched the darn thing from the groin to the forehead, in an almost perfect vertical line.
 
when my wife was first learning how to shoot the MP5 I told her to lean into the rifle and give it a go. when you dumped the 30 rds we went to look at the target, all 30 hits were below the waist. When asked if that where she was aiming she said "yes I aimed low to start because I figured the gun was going to rise and didn't want to shoot over the target".

Now back to the OP, clean the firing pin chamber really good and you moght want to look at your sear, you have a little dirt or something on it stopping it from engaging properly. Knowing that the firearm is empty, rack the slide while holding the trigger and listen to hear if the hammer follows or engages. this might save you the time of a detailed strip.
 
If the firing pin gets stuck in the extended position (due to dirt, mechanical defect, hardened grease, uncleaned powder residues, insect eggs, etc in the mechanism) on ANY semi-auto, it will do that.
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Not with a Colt-Browning tilt barrel controlled feed design. IF the firing pin protrudes beyond the breechface, the gun will come to a screechin' halt.
 
when and if you get it apart, check the disconnector and it's bore for crud/wear/function. perhaps why it won't come apart. make damn-sure it is empty, and strip frame to remove same.

gunnie
 
Not with a Colt-Browning tilt barrel controlled feed design. IF the firing pin protrudes beyond the breechface, the gun will come to a screechin' halt.
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I agree it should stop (the cartridge should snag on the protruding firing pin)....
 
I checked to see it was empty and after a LOT of forcing the slide came off and then pieces of metal just fell out of it. They were not from a shattered bullet they were finished pieces and the trigger spring fell out and now it just kind of moves back and forth with no tension. Also the firing pin either split or chipped, I could hardly see it.

I packed up everything and sent it to Taurus with a letter explaining everything.

I also called Taurus, they said turn around it 2 months from the time they receive it :cuss:.

Even after I get this back I don't think I can trust it anymore. Any suggestions on a concealed 45 Auto. I like the 1911 and CZ SAO platforms. I don't mind striker designs either, but I prefer SAO preferably with thumb safety. The Taurus was a budget buy when I was not making as much, so I am free to spend more than a Taurus costs; even though my Kimber SIS set me back close to $1,400.
 
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Any suggestions on a concealed 45 Auto.

Why not a Kimber Ultra Carry? Light, flat, accurate, stone reliable, and----------it's a .45!
str1
 
The problem it the abundance of choices. I am stuck between the Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II, the Colt Defender, the Para Slim Hawg, the STI Escort, the Witness Polymer Compact Carry in .45, and the XD Sub-compact with the optional thumb safety.
 
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The problem it the abundance of choices. I am stuck between the Kimber Ultra Crimson Carry II, the Colt Defender, the Para Slim Hawg, the STI Escort, the Witness Polymer Compact Carry in .45, and the XD Sub-compact with the optional thumb safety.
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Of the ones you mentioned, the Kimber and the Witness would be my first and second choice. The Defender is likely on recall, the XD is a compact in name only, the Para is a rock. Never had my mitts on the STI Escort. It's likely a good pistol. For my everyday concealed carry, it's got to be an alloy or polymer frame. Weight is as important as size to me.
Good luck. Hope Taurus does you right.
Savage
 
Even after I get this back I don't think I can trust it anymore.
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Your pistol is just a mechanical item. If they fix it, and it stays fixed, then its fixed.

I mean, if your car blew a tire, or the head light burnt out, would you trade in your car because "you can't trust it?"

Some people might.

When you get your Taurus back, go out and shoot enough ammo to convince yourself that it is 99.9 % reliable. If it functions fine, then the problem is in your head.

If it breaks before you reach 99.9% reliable, sell it. Because the problem may not be in your head.
 
I do plan to shoot it again, and I really do like the design. It is basically a striker fired SAO with a thumb safety. The only way it even shoots DA is if it had a light hit on a primer. I will definetly shoot it again.

Think about it, I was crazy and stupid enough to go for a FULL AUTO round two.

The malfunction just got me thinking about other concealed carry 45 options.

P.S. I was so stupid to try the another mag. I still can't believe I did that.
 
P.S. I was so stupid to try the another mag. I still can't believe I did that.

LOL!!
Bet you're not the only one here that would have said: "Hey! That was fun!! Think I'll try it again!!" Bet it was a lot more fun than the Glock 18!
str1
 
Glad to hear that nobody got hurt.
Good move to send it back to Taurus to fix.
Lessons learned, anything mechanical is subject to failure. Keep the Taurus and go ahead and get that spare .45!
 
Gee...If you're going to go to the wait & trouble to get the gun repaired, I think I'd trust it, as much as I'd trust any semi-automatic weapon. As someone pointed out earlier, any semi-auto weapon can go full auto under a variety of circumstances.--Patrice
 
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