MYTH of Chrome lined bores busted

[dstorm1911]

Silverlance, same place ya bought your T53 from but Don isn't open to the public as he has no storefront just a warehouse so not allowed to deal with customers only at gunshows or mail order etc... because of the SOT-2 and dept of homeland security he can only allow "employees into the warehouse as everyone has to be background checked etc... without a retail storefront.... he used to let folks come by and wander around then some guns dissapeared that was the end of that...... it really sucks I can't even let folks drop off stuff directly anymore as I feel rude havin em stand out front etc...

Some folks he's known for years he lets come in but not even my friends are allowed in if he doesn't know em..... havin to explain to the BATF bout stolen guns is no fun they get real p#ssy on the subject....

Gew, not a matter of not entertaining other options...... as long as they fit the reality, ya don't get to rewrite the facts to fit your theory after all this isn't American history so we can't re-arrange the facts to create what we would like them to be....

FACTS are;

Gun was brand new totally spotless

Gun had zero lube on it or in it etc.. other than a very small amount of grease on FCG parts and lower rails

Gun was released with 5 Hungarian 20 rnd mags loaded with Wolf blk box hollow point ammo, customer had no clue where to even pickup additional ammo etc, at the time

Gun was fired on the side of a private road in Three Points AZ about 2 hours after it was picked up, customer fired all but 7 rnds of the supplied ammo

Pima county deputy confiscates the gun and cites customer, the gun and empty mags with 7 loose rnds is placed in brown paper store bag in Deputies Ford Crown vic police cruiser.... when deputy gets into the substation located on Benson HWY in Tucson, AZ the gun was transfered to a plastic evidence bag along with 5 empty magazines and an envelope containing 7 loose rnds of ammo

Customer expends large amount of $$ over 4 months fighting legal battle and finally wins... recovers his gun which when he first looks in the bag appears normal.... takes it home and opens heat sealed bag and removes gun to find bluish green corrosion in the bore etc... he tries to clean it himself with brass brush and WD-40 but cannot even get brush past gas port so brings it into town for me to deal with.......

It is discovered that the chrome lining is literally blistered and lifted on a bed of corrosion from the gas port to the muzzle, the muzzle device is locked up tight, I remove the retaining pin to get it outa my way while I try to twist off the brake with a pipe wrench and remove the barrel pin and press out the junk barrel while trying to twist off the brake the entire barrel is twisting so I heat the muzzle device to red hot and then it twists off with some effort....... the rest is in the pics


thats it, now if ya got any other possibilities that fit those facts I'd be glad to hear em...... if ya wanna rearange those facts to fit your idea sorry.... I'm not the American public school system I know we really did have slaves, I know my ancestors (Lakhota Indian) really were pretty much wiped out by genocide and I know pirates really did carry off young maidens and rape them.........

 

[Ash]

Er, eh, as far as I know, they still teach that whole Slavery thing these days...Ditto for the American Indian plight...

 

[dstorm1911]

ASH, it was a context thing regarding the rewriting of history, sure they still teach it, READ the new version versus the original versions..... its now been PCafied (yea new word) so our history doesn't look quite so bad.... I hadn't realized just how much until I helped clean out an old library and.... well History was always onea my favorite subjects so I kept all the old history books that weren't full of mold etc... later started leafin through em and everything looked normal Until my niece started disputing something I told her so... I got down onea the cleaned up old books...... and guess what we were BOTH right...... at least depending on who's book ya were reading.... give it a try if ya got any Junior high school kids around borrow onea their history books for a day of reading ya'll be surprised at whats been left out or down right altered.... guess all us old farts was sposed to already be dead by now so we couldn't dispute em

 

[Ash]

Try reading about those of us with Confederate back grounds. We are treated largely like Nazi's these days and the assumption is that all of us owned slaves. While you're at it, check out what historians write these days about Mississippi. You would think we had lynchings and hangings on the weekend just for fun, and that the KKK is our number one church (while ignoring the fact that the KKK is more active in New England). Robert E. Lee was evil and his name must be spoken only with spittle on the ground.

Ash

 

[dstorm1911]

Yea I know I lov the ones bout how sweet and gentile the North was etc... I have relatives from Missouri into South Dakota...... mostly cause the Lakhota used to range the entire plains........



OH and CLEAN YER D@MN GUN!!

to keep it on topic an all

 

[JNewell]

A chrome lined barrel means absolutally nothing in a semi auto rifle

I've read all three pages here and I don't think that the evidence supports this statement at all. What I think this does prove is that quality materials and qualilty workmanship matter.

 

[MIL-DOT]

yeah,but what bout a WHOLE rifle in hard chrome !!!!!! gotta be a rust-magnet....OR... create a 50 foot rust-free zone, depending on where you stand on this issue LOL. when i saw this ,i just HAD to post !!! i was hoping the pics would come through,check clasicarms if you wanna see 'em.

HARD CHROME AK-47 RIFLE.
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WE HAVE BEEN GETTING REQUEST FOR A LONG TIME NOW TO OFFER A CHROME AK RIFLE. TRUTH IS, WE HAVE HAD THE ABILITY BUT THE RECTIFIER WE HAVE USED IN THE PAST IN OUR CHROMING PROCESS WAS UNDERSIZED FOR THIS PROJECT AND WE HAD TO DISASSEMBLE EACH AK RIFLE PIN BY PIN AND DO EACH LITTLE SMALL PART SEPERATELY TO GET IT RIGHT. THIS JUST MADE THE PROCESS TOO LABOR INTENSIVE AND THEREBY TOO EXPENSIVE TO BE FEASABLE. THAT IS UNTIL NOW.YOU SEE, ABOUT 8 WEEKS AGO OUR RECTIFIER BURNED UP. AFTER WE POUTED AND WRUNG OUR HANDS FOR AWHILE, WE WENT OUT AND FOUND ONE THAT WAS MUCH BIGGER AND BETTER TO REPLACE IT WITH. THE FIRST TRIAL RUN WE USED IT ON WE THREW A COUPLE OF ROM-AK MV RIFLES IN THE BATCH AND THEY TURNED OUT GREAT. MY HOPE IS TO GET A NEW CAMERA OVER THE WEEKEND AND POST A BETTER GRAPHIC BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ABOVE THESE ARE JUST GORGEOUS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT,THE PROCESS WE USE ACTUALLY BRINGS OUT THE DETAIL IN THE WEAPON. THESE ARE THE MILITARY VARIATION RIFLES WITH THE 45 DEGREE COMPENSATOR AND THE BAYONET LUG. EACH RIFLE COMES COMPLETE WITH 1- CHROME MAG, 1 BLUE MAG, SLING, BAYONET W/ SHEATH, POUCH CLEANING KIT AND MANUAL. VERY LIMITED QUANTITIES..... ROM-AK-MV CH...........$449.95.
NOTE: ALTHOUGH WE HAVE DRAMATICALLY SIMPLIFIED OUR PROCESS, THE CHROMING OF A SEMI-AUTO RIFLE IS STILL QUITE TEDIOUS AND LABOR INTENSIVE.WE WILL ONLY BE DOING THESE IN VERY SMALL BATCHES AND THE LOW NUMBERS PRODUCED WILL MAKE THOSE WHO OWN ONE OF THESE A VERY EXCLUSIVE GROUP.

 

[JWarren]

I would also say this might have a bit to do with the problem as well. The wolf garbage is great for making noise and getting your barrel hot, but don't even believe their labeling when it says non-corrosive- always assume wolf is corrosive.

I can't believe that no one has mentioned this, BUT


In terms of ammunition being corrosive or non-corrosive, it depends on the primer.



From AK-47.net:

(http://www.ak-47.net/ammo/corrosive1.html)

The term “corrosive ammunition” refers to the fact that the priming compound in the cartridge....

What makes corrosive priming so damaging to the bore is the powdered residue it leaves behind after firing. They call these residues “salts”. It is an accurate name because these salts attract moisture from the air and immediately begin to attack the steel in your gun barrel.

Regarding Wolf Ammunition, I have a hard time believing that someone could get a "bad batch" that would be corrosive verses other batches. I'd wager that the same primers are used throughout the batches. If some is corrosive, I'd think that ALL would be corrosive.

That said, I can understand that some have mentioned bad experiences with Wolf that leads them to believe that Wolf Ammuntion is Corrosive. I dunno... I'm not convinced.

My Vector AK underfolder has gone months without a cleaning AFTER being fired. And All I have fired in it is Wolf. I've had the rifle for 5 years (Oh crap! my warrenty just expired! grrrr....) I hate to admit it, but I've probably cleaned it less than 20 times and I can't remember EVER cleaning it the same day I shot it. Yeah, I know.. I am lazy.

The bore of mine looks pristine. You would think it's never been fired. For what it's worth, it does have a chrome-lined barrel.


This causes me to be skeptical of any claims that Wolf Ammuntion is corrosive.




Now granted, I am talking about corrosive ammunition, not the issue of chrome-lined bores verses non-chrome-lined bores as it pertains to corrosion. Really that is a seperate issue from ammunition altogether. And you guys seem to be doing a great job hashing it out. I'll leave you to it.

I just wanted to mention the corrosive ammunition primer thingy.


-- John

 

[dstorm1911]

John, start buying by the pallet....... ya'll get a much better cross section, we still have cases turn up with corrosive residue and been burnin the same pallet for the past year....... we clean up the cases with a magnet then just dump em in buckets a week or so passes and the buckets get dumped into a 55 gallon drum to go to the scrap yard...... all the chicom stuff I bring in myself is always corroded and occasionally ya'll hit 10 or so corroded Wolf cases as ya are pourin em from bucket to barrel .............. your own choice I don't have an issue as I clean everything for corrosive regardless........ BTW I don't bother to track which cases the mags get loaded from, there are several different lot numbers all in that one pallet though not just one or two or even three different numbers maybe 10 different ammo lots that made it up originally...... the corrosive stuff could be from any of those 10 or so lot numbers we just don't worry bout it as the guns get cleaned a few minutes after they are done being fired......


BTW ya do know Wolf is just a clearing house right? they have ammo loaded all over Europe the lowest bidder gets the contract, to be the lowest bidder they use whatever components they can get the best deal on, reclaimed bullets when available, surplus powder and yes very often surplus primers corrosive primers sell for considerably less than non- corrosive so if a deal is available thats what that contractor will use............ ya can do a search for WOLF and learn bout the clearing house details......

 

[JWarren]

Crap. I can't talk right now. I have to go clean my gun.


Thanks for the explaination DStorm. Makes sense and I haven't thought about that. Sounds like I've been lucky.



-- John