NAA 22 Magnum

[mec]

Ive been carrying this around in my shirt pocket for several months. At the time I bought it the 22magnums with the long barrel were very hard to find. I bought one with the flip open holster/grip and immediately replaced the grip with this "boot" arrangement. I like the grip alot. The cylinder has shown no tendency to walk out of the safety detent notch between chambers. I had a complete head separatation with WW supreme at an amazing velocity. None of the other available rounds have shown any problems and most produce velocities at around 1000 fps

These rounds/ both from a ten year old box and a recent box deliver 1100+ fps and positive expansion. The expansion and partial fragmentation is even greater shot through a combination of beef ribs and brisket. Penetration of the recovered bullets was confidence building. The old, original loads from WW and CCI deliver high 900s to 1,000+ fps and would not be expected to expand at those velocities. Some might guess them to be a better choice because of penetration. I myself do not know for sure but believe the TNT load will penetrate far enough.

The gun can be brought up and fired very quickly -just covering the desired point of impact with the entire front sight. Latest results show tight head shot accuracy out to seven yards and 9 ring accuracy to fifteen-which I found somewhat surprising. I would guess it to be a pretty effective weapon inside of head shot distance-its effectiveness dependent upon luck at 9-ring distance.

scale.

 

[jmortimer]

I had the shorter barrel version and like your model better. In the end it is better than nothing as it meets rule one of a gunfight but that is about it. I switched to a 13 ounce
J Frame.

 

[CoRoMo]

I want one; specifically the PUG, and I think I'll opt for the holster grip. A respected member here convinced me that the holster grip is a good device.

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

That boot grip looks good. That grip on the new break action model they are supposed to be coming out with this year is what I really want.

 

[bigfatdave]

A respected member here convinced me that the holster grip is a good device.

It is, assuming you can stand to shoot with the holster grip.
I can't, so I slapped on the rubbery ones and accepted the slightly fatter profile ... but for full disclosure I've maybe carried mine twice in a Kydex pocket holster, mostly it is a range toy and a demonstration of the stupidity of "gun-free-zones"

I should try the boot grip, I made the mistake of ordering the screw-on rubber (good!) and slip-on rubber (flimsy!) to replace the holster grip ... looking back I should have just ordered the boot style and screw-on rubber for comfort and looks respectively.

Step 1 = HAVE A GUN
(with the NAA you are better armed than ~90% of the population, although someone will be along to tell you how under-gunned you are compared to the "fiftee deagle" they keep in under their bed any minute)

 

[CoRoMo]

dave...

Are you talking about the type of grip that comes on the Black Widow? Show me a picture if you can find one. Thanks. 'Control-ability' was the reasons I've read, that make the holster grip preferable. That and the fact that you don't need a holster, just fold it up and drop it in the pocket.

 

[mec]

although someone will be along to tell you how under-gunned

Which is a good enough reason to own one, most of the walter mittys having the same amount of gun fighting experience that I have . I always carry something bigger but this one might be considered a back up or something to have when you really don't want to be bothered with a gun. It is much more powerful than generations of mini revolvers that have been around since the first cartridge. Besides which it is cute. The number of people who have shot them rather extensively with no problems seems to considerably outnumber the ones who have experienced breakage of the tiny springs or other parts.

The pre-announcement of the breaktop is what prompted me to get this one. NAA tells me that it will not be out before the end of the year -if then. They want to make sure it will work first- a concept that is almost unique in the industry.

 

[Walkalong]

Slip it in your pocket...

or put it on your belt... (It's very quick form there)

Step 1 = HAVE A GUN
(with the NAA you are better armed than ~90% of the population, although someone will be along to tell you how under-gunned you are compared to the "fiftee deagle" they keep in under their bed any minute)

Quite so.......

Yes, if I knew I was going to a gun fight...

#1 I wouldn't go if I could mange it.

#2 I would bring a bigger gun.

Great post and write up mec

 

[earlthegoat2]

MCGunner swears by his holster grip and maybe that would help me with mine. I can hit point of aim at 7 feet. Thats right, feet, not yards. It is still a fun little noisy cricket to have around though.

It is currently my bathroom gun.

 

[bigfatdave]

I really should do some ammo torture testing, with loose rounds in the pocket for a week of sweaty summer, or something.

Maybe in a mesh baggie, or lightly taped together?

My biggest worry with these isn't being under-gunned, it is having it go >click< instead of >BANG< or even worse having it go >phuttt< and fire in some half-assed way that jams it or hangfires into the frame after I advance to the next round ... and the gun isn't going to cause those problems, it will be the ammo.

Five rounds of .22loudenboomer (magnum) should be enough to allow a shoot & scoot to extract one's self from a non-gunfight defensive situation, generally I prefer to go to my Kel-Tec p32 for mousegun needs, and obviously I'd prefer my EDC (Walther PPS 9mm) or my compact 1911 (Citadel officer's compact .45acp) ... but the NAA mini makes a great "gun when you can't have a gun" and is the only thing I bother with a pocket holster for. Knowing the limitations of the hardware (no reload, hard to grasp, slow shooting of limited capacity) make it a gun to get OUT of a fight with, or a "get off me!" gun, but if you can handle Step Zero (don't panic) on your own and Step one is covered by the NAA, one is fairly well covered for opportunistic predators, although you're probably under-gunned if there are ninja assassins hopped up on meth and angel dust chasing you about.

 

[MCgunner]

Yes, I rather prefer the holster grip for carry/shooting. Your 15 yard accuracy is typical. One of the down sides to the mini is the tiny sights. I'm kinda wanting a mag/LR black widow for my next mini to see what real sights can do. I'm pretty decent with the little ones, but they're slow to acquire.

My little 1 5/8" .22LR rides shotgun in my weak side pocket to which ever primary I might be carrying in my strong side. Good insurance. I'm not real comfortable with less than .380 as a primary and not all THAT comfortable with the .380, but there are times when nothing more than a mini can be carried.

To avoid clicks instead of bangs, rotate ammo out every week. That's all it takes. Sweaty pockets DO contaminate rimfire rounds over time.

 

[bigfatdave]

Sweaty pockets DO contaminate rimfire rounds over time.

I know, I just want a definitive answer as to how long. If I'm carrying the mini (damn rare!) I put in fresh ammo, that's not a gun I store loaded. (due to the rarity of carrying, not some safety concern)

I'd just like a quantitative measurement of how long it takes in my sweaty pocket to kill 1 in 5 .22lr rounds from various manufacturers and the same for .22mag ... the data would be used more to pick ammo than to determine how long I can "get away with" not changing the rounds out.

 

[MCgunner]

I'm not sure how long a mini can be carried in summer down here (guys up north have no appreciation for the heat and humidity of the gulf coast), but it is my routine to change ammo, dump the old, load the new, every weekend. It's good insurance. I've carried 2 weeks and they've gone bang, but I just get in the routine of every weekend. I've carried the little .22 pretty much for 25 years constantly. It's so easy to carry, I just do. That's why I have it and I'm practiced enough with it to know it can and will be deadly if I have to use it within 15 yards. It's great insurance in a weak side pocket. But, one of the deals is to rotate ammo. I dump the old into another box and shoot it at the range. Never have a problem with it, but it's only been carried a week and the whole idea is to have no problems with 'em.

 

[MCgunner]

BTW, I clean any possible dust bunnies out of my pocket carries every weekend, too. Might as well change ammo. I don't clean the thing loaded, after all.

 

[Guillermo]

It is currently my bathroom gun

any larger boom might ignite the methane gas

 

[Landric]

My "around the house" gun is a 1 1/8" NAA .22 Magnum with a holster grip and a front XS night sight. It just has to get me to a real home defense gun in the unlikely event that I need it. I rotate the ammunition, but not weekly, since I'm carrying it in a climate controlled environment and therefore not sweating all over it.

 

[bigfatdave]

it is my routine to change ammo, dump the old, load the new, every weekend.

A good practice, surely.
Do those rounds always go bang at the range after?

 

[JAguirre]

any larger boom might ignite the methane gas

That's too funny, seriously made me laugh out loud.

 

[mec]

They are mostly hydrogen sulphide. Some do not contain methane but those that do produce a blue flame ("Blue Darter" in Australia) when lit off at drunken frat parties.

 

[Guillermo]

this is a TOTAL tangent

I used to co host a radio talk show and someone called in and said that we needed an "assblaster". I thought they were referring to a weapon and kept bringing it up.

It is a creature from the book/movie Dune that propelled itself by igniting its "emissions"

Ever since I thought it would make a good weapon.

Maybe EarltheGoat is onto something!!!

 

[MCgunner]

Do those rounds always go bang at the range after?

Yes, they always go bang at the range after a week of carry. I still use 'em, but this routine assures me I have a bang every time I need one and I still shoot up the old ammo for practice, so nothing is lost in the deal.

When I first got the gun, I'd carry for a month or more and I'd get misfires. I learned to be diligent about cleaning and ammo rotation. Pocket lint will accumulate in the barrel over that amount of time, too. I really don't clean the mini revolver, just take the cylinder out and blow it all out with lung pressure and rotate ammo.

 

[bigfatdave]

OK, so a week's sweaty carry never makes duds, and a month's does make a few duds.

The way I see it, take the time until known failures in worst-case conditions and cut it in half (back in my seafaring days, I did maintenance scheduling), which allows for some slop in the estimate of failures and the actual performance time.

I really have to experiment with some ammo in the pocket, I'm curious for some reason on the subject of which rounds are sealed best and should go in the box with my mini.

 

[Snowdog]

I've got some .22 WMR left over from when I still had my Remington 597. I might just do some torture testing starting now and see where I am when I get around to buying an NAA in .22 WMR (which will likely be soon).

Here's what I'll do. I'll dig out some Remington 40gr SP .22WMR and segment them into three groups. One group of 5 I'll carry in my jeans pocket whenever I do yardwork or anything that might break a sweat, which I will begin doing now (yard work slated for tomorrow). The second group I'm going to leave outside, exposed to the elements and the control group will be kept in the box where it is now.
After a few weeks (when I decide on which .22WMR NAA I actually want), I'll fire them over an F1 chrony and post the results with pictures. I'm open to suggestion on the testing parameters.

My gut tells me there will be little difference between the 3 groups in .22WRM, though I would like to wait to see if the result confirm this. I won't bother with conducting a similar test on .22LR as I suspect the heel-base .22LR bullet and case that crimps around it doesn't provide the best seal against moisture. It's the .22 WMR that I'm I'm curious about.

 

[MCgunner]

My gut tells me there will be little difference between the 3 groups in .22WRM, though I would like to wait to see if the result confirm this. I won't bother with conducting a similar test on .22LR as I suspect the heel-base .22LR bullet and case that crimps around it doesn't provide the best seal against moisture. It's the .22 WMR that I'm I'm curious about.

Because of the heal seated feature of .22LR, I've often thought it might be more susceptible to moisture than the .22 Mag which is loaded as with a center fire except that there's no primer for moisture to get by which might even make it better than CF ammo, but I don't know that. I don't own the mag revolver, yet, to say. Guess I could do some experimenting with the rifle, but, nah. .22 LR is cheap to rotate.

 

[Walkalong]

I shot some very old CCI .22 mag ammo yesterday at the range doing some testing with new offerings. It all shot fine, but it had never been carried. It grouped horribly. It was by far the worst of what I shot. Clean, hot, but inaccurate.

I have some Federal 30 Gr JHP ammo in my NAA right now. I tested 5 types in a 6" OMM yesterday. I am going to run some through the NAA and get some velocities to see what they do in the short barrel. If I had remembered to bring the NAA yesterday like I had intended to..........