Narrowing down the Grab-n-Go Bag

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Atticum, I suggest getting some gold and junk-silver(preferably) together and carrying that, along with the cash you said you were already stashing away.
Because in times of crisis, people might not want the paper money, thus it's always good to have a universal back-up.
 
Take it out into the woods for a weekend and live out of it. I went from a 50+ lb. ALICE pack with everything to a Maxpedition fat boy versapack that weighs 10 lbs.
Rough list: 2 .380 mags,2 space blankets, roll of guaze and first aid tape, lighter and tinder, cheese crackers and chocolate bars (2 ea), $43 ($3 in quarters), box of .22s (In case I can grab my 10/22), .380 pistol, and a 1 liter bottle of water. There is also some fishing line and a hook wrapped around a little foam float, and 10 feet or so of 550 cord, and a surefire flashlight with 2 spare lithium batteries. I can do 48 hours on this easy with the exception of water. I figure in a SHTF situation I can bust into a soda machine or find other suitable water.
 
For example, where I live, the only "natural disaster" we have to worry about is an accidental house fire.

Worry about big earthquakes. Even non-fault areas get hit hard every hundred years or so.

Worry about the power grid going & staying down. No electricity to pump gasoline, and things will get ugly.
 
Added something similar to Wilderness Medicine teaching;

Pick a task, now practice at home under these conditions;
With one hand only.
With your non-dominant hand only.
Standing in the shower.
In the dark.

For anything outdoors that is a reasonably expectable condition.

Same thing for survival gear.
It's not ready until it's practiced in field conditions.
Can you find that Go bag in the dark? Find your flashlight? Find things when you need them? Do it while crawling? Find clothes/ shoes/ wallet in the dark? In a smoky room? Injured?
On the outside of my bag is a flashlight taped to the pack strap. It's always there. Holster slung on the bag. Truck key taped at the small of my back. (Hidden but ready.) Have spare cash and copies of ID's inside and more in the truck. Shoes by the bed and old boots on the porch.

This summer me and the boys are going to live out of BOB's for a weekend just to see.
 
I'm assuming when the zombocalypse comes I can hit up convenience stores for grab-n-goes to get food.

In my experience, this is not a safe assumption. In L.A., on the first day of the L.A. riots I went to my nearest supermarket and it was closed. Then I went to the gas-station convenience store across the street -- it was open, but all of the shelves were completely cleared out except for, weirdly, a single 8-oz bag of chips. I bought them.

This was only about four hours after the Rodney King verdicts were announced. Looting hadn't even hit my area yet.

As we've seen with ammo recently, it doesn't take much panic buying to make a formerly reliable supply disappear.
 
In my experience, this is not a safe assumption. In L.A., on the first day of the L.A. riots I went to my nearest supermarket and it was closed. Then I went to the gas-station convenience store across the street -- it was open, but all of the shelves were completely cleared out except for, weirdly, a single 8-oz bag of chips. I bought them.

This was only about four hours after the Rodney King verdicts were announced. Looting hadn't even hit my area yet.

As we've seen with ammo recently, it doesn't take much panic buying to make a formerly reliable supply disappear.

Excellent point.

Many folks assumptions, are not there.

I was involved in resupply during Andrew in south Florida in 92, and Was in Manhattan for the black out in 2003. (I feel I must explain, My daughter already graduated from university, and wanted to live in the big apple. I didn't want her to go alone, so we got a nice apartment in the East Village (note: not many good ole' boys in the East Village) but I enjoyed the time with my daughter for a couple of years)

My point though. I was literally walking into the apartment when the power failed, my daughter was just coming around the corner of our block, so we were good.

But as Travis stated, with hours the fresh fruit, veggies, and meat were gone. We got some fried chicken, and our regular grocer gave us all the fresh stuff we could carry. We took enough for one meal.

By the next morning the grocer shelves were already thin, and the Mayor wasn't letting vehicles into the city. The trains up there were all electric, weren't going anywhere either.

People behaved, but by Saturday night around 8pm when the power came back in our neighborhood, it started on Thursday afternoon, you could feel the tension.

Food was low, in many places none.

I had thrown together a couple of packs for my daughter and I, and told her if push comes to shove, we were going to walk out to New Jersey and get to where the power was still on. My mother still lived in Florida in our Family home, and we could get transportation to there once we got to a destination outside the failure zone.

My point. is TravisB's point. The "supplies" go fast. Don't count on much you don't already have and control.

In Andrew many of the supplies were destroyed by the disaster itself. And within a few hours the food and useful stuff was gone.

I went with a buddy who had family in the V ring, and at one point I was literally sitting in the back of his truck with my shotgun in high port.

Many of the other trucks that didn't have someone riding "shotgun" had stuff swiped. we didn't, and got all the supplies and material to his family and friends. We helped them for a few days, stood guard at night, and headed home IIRC three days.

After the National Guard got there he took another load of stuff down, by himself and said he didn't have a problem.

But TravisB is right. be very careful abut your assumptions. The wrong ones can get you in very deep Kimschie.

And never forget. "MURPHY IS AN OPTIMIST"

Go figure.

Fred
 
I'm assuming when the zombocalypse comes I can hit up convenience stores for grab-n-goes to get food.

I learned the hard way during Hurricane Rita Evacuation and Hurricane Ike debacle that if you do not have it, you ain't likely to get it.

Hurricane Rita:

Houston pretty much went into Panic mode on Monday / Tuesday, by Wednesday and Thursday there was not a ton of supplies left and those that were, were correspondingly hard to obtain. Lines... Gas wasn't easy to get just because so many were buying it.

Don't ever plan on getting your supplies last minute. Most people are creative and like you can adapt. Your window maybe open, but it will not stay that way. I stock things now. Before an event (like a hurricane or some other date that makes me think anything could happen) I go to the store and pick up extra toilet paper, chips, drinks, maybe some batteries for the most commonly used stuff. Top of the tanks... I do that just to add a little extra and usually that extra is enough to see me mostly through the event, but if it goes longer, I can stretch.

Make sure you have alternate ways to cook, like a propane stove. Always try to ID your PRIMARY and have a SECONDARY. So, if you have gas lines in most areas they will still be on, but have that secondary in case they get damaged. Doesn't hurt to have a third option (propane bbq pit) or something like that. Get creative, there is a lot of stuff out there.

A note on tools. Get what you need now. Generators, chainsaws, whatever you might need to survive the type of disaster that your area is likely to see, get it now. Reason I saw that is that you will not be able to get them in time of crisis, so don't procrastinate. Sears does financing on some items and they WANT to sell them right now, so you might be able to do something interesting there. Like 24 months no interest on a $800.00 generator (that is like $40.00 per month...)
 
BOB's

My philosophy on BOB's these days is:

It doesn't need to be much, just enough to evac out of the area and into a "green zone". I have other gear packed in crates (rubbermaid) and if there is time, they get loaded. If there is some kind of chemical spill or reverse 911 call in the middle of the night to advise of flooding, I grab the BOB.

The CRUCIAL point, is knowing when to leave everything else behind... Most people don't, so they overload their BOB's. Or they die packing their truck when they didn't have time, OR they had plenty of time and didn't grab enough stuff.

BOB's are for, we are minutes away from dying, grab something and escape. If you have a few hours, you can load a lot of other gear.
 
I don't call my bug-out bag a bug-out bag. It's just my backpack, the same one I use to go backpacking. I keep it ready for a multi-day trip at all times. The stuff I need for a multi-day backpacking trip is the same stuff I'd need in a bug-out bag.

The only gear I don't store in the backpack is my -20F down sleeping bag, as it's not good to store it compressed. I have imagined myself bugging out in a hurry, trudging through the snow, remarking at how light my pack feels and...oh, right. That. Well, that's what the mini snow shovel's for.
 
Bugging In...

I live in the woods in New Hampshire. About 20 years ago a really bad ice storm hit an area to our north. That area was two weeks without power.

When my wife and I moved from Manchester (the city) to the woods I determined that we needed to be able to go two weeks without outside assistance. This past winter we had a repeat of the ice storm. We were without power for seven days. Some communities went two weeks without power.

We were prepared. We had firewood and candles. We also had lamp oil and four oil lamps. We had a portable battery operated TV. This kept us informed. We had food and propane to cook with. We did not have enough bottled water, but we do have a clean brook on our property.

Fortunately, after the first day we were able to go to work and live normal daytime lives. The feeling of going from candle light and firewood to electricity and lights and music and running water is kind of like that part in the Wizard of Oz where the movie changes to color when you arrive in Oz. Going back home is going back in time.

Long story short...where I live you stand a much bigger chance of having to bug in than leave. The local fire department members came by and checked on our welfare, and my wife was happy to tell them that we were prepared and did not need to go to a shelter or receive donated supplies. Needless to say, I was very pleased with the smooth transition that my wife and I had due to our planning.

Yes, I have a BOB...but I haven't needed it yet!
 
I'm too out of shape to bug out. Me? I'm buggin in!

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BTW. This Flu may become a pandemic, if so, prepare to bug-in for anywhere up to 3 months, possibly more.
 
Yup--I suggest you load up all that crap and try it out.

Have a feeling you'll be dumping more than adding more.

That list looks to be a huge load to be humpin around.

I'd be going minimal and maybe adding a rifle and a few magazines while I was at it.
 
Because in times of crisis, people might not want the paper money, thus it's always good to have a universal back-up.
I've often wondered who is really going to know or care that pre-65 dimes and quarters are 90% silver? And in that kind of situation, what good will it really do you?
 
gill net and fishing gear fine for survival packs but not realistic gear for getting out of dodge with.
realistic threat is probably 48 max 72hrs before you reach civilization water food clothing shelter
 
water food clothing shelter

Actually, in terms of importance it would be; shelter, water, clothing, food. Perhaps even shelter, clothing, water & food. Exposure kills faster than dehydration. Humping too much and wearing the wrong clothing will fast cause one to overheat, sweat profusely and cause chills from the damp clothing.

If you realy think there is a chance you will need to bug out, lets say you live in a known hurricane prone area, then just preposition some of your stuff at a friends house elsewhere or rent a small storage unit where you want to bug out to. It makes abundandtly more sense to me than trying to hump a quarter of the things on your list.
 
To the OP and the Duke of Doubt

I attended the survival course today instructed by Peter Kummerfelt. I had a really good time. If anyone ever gets the chance to attend one of his courses by all means it is worth your time. He spent a long time blasting magazines and books and has a real dislike for shows like Man vs Wild and Survivor man. He said if you take all of the bullcrap out of those things people would be alot better off. Anyway back to subject. I showed him the two list complied by you guys. Duke he thinks you could survive a weekend at a nudist camp. To the OP it was his belief that you are carrying way to much stuff. Unless you are bugging out near a vehicle there is to much weighing you down and will wear you down before you get far at all. Duke I think it was more towards any type of suitable survival gear on your list. Bourbon and condoms didn't top the list of needs.


What to grab
Pack - Kifaru Daywalker or Eberlestock Gunslinger
Winter jacket and Hunting Vest ready to go

Protection:
CZ SP-01 - Hip Holstered
2 loaded mags - in Vest lose the vest boxed 9mm ammo x 100
Gerber Air Ranger Serrated 3.25" Folding Knife Get a better knife
Fixed Blade knife - 4"+ 3" to 4" is plenty longSurvival:
Leatherman Wave multitool
First Aid Kit (the contents of which could be an entire thread)
Hatchet Lose the hatchet get a good saw
2-4 MREs (out of box to save space)
Camelback
Polar PUR Iodine Crystals
a few Multi-Vitamins and any Prescriptions Lose the vitamins
Zippo Lighter Lose the zippo use a metal match instead
2 man tent with tarp
LED Headlamp
backup maglite Get rid of the mag light and use a small Led model
Batteries for both
All weather fire starter Vaseline soaked cotton balls
Poncho 4 mil 55 gallon trash bags
Beanie
Underwear x3
Wool Socks x3
Change of clothes (wool or gortex) x1
Winter GlovesDetailed topographical maps of escape route and surrounding areas
Compass
GPS
TP
Toothbrush + Toothpaste lose itTowel
Can Opener and Utensils one set each keep them clean
Feminine Products (my fiance is coming with me or I'm not leavin)
Cash (putting away small amounts at a time)

Extended wilderness vacation:
Folding Shovel
Binoculars lose them
Large brim hat
Fishing kit - gill net? lose them
550 parachute cord - 100ft
Pocket book with info on local plants
Work Gloves
Duct tape
Sewing Kit

Signaling
Hand crank 2-way Radio
Flares
Whistle
Glow Sticks
Prepaid Phone Card

Identity:
Passport / IDs
pen and rite-in-the-rain notepad
2x Thumb Drive w/ important documents Safety deposit box
Laminated Documents - Insurance Cards, Birth Certificates, SS Cards, Credit Cards, Drivers Licenses, Checkbooks, College Transcripts, Diplomas, Immunization Records, Current Resumes, Latest W2, Auto Titles and Registration, Firearms records and receipts, Major item receipts, Current Bills, Important addresses and numbers. put put in a safety deposit box
Full set of house / automobile keys
SD card with photos of possessions Safety deposit box(not in bag) Online database with digital copies


What can go?

add a naglene bottle each and a metal cup each
 
Here is my experience,
I loaded everything that I thought I'd need for 72 hours on the "rough" in a disaster bag. I couldn't even drag it across the living room let alone carry the thing on my back a few miles. I discard EVERYTHING that is not esental to survival. In 72 hours you can not starve to death. You can get real hungry but 90% of Americans could use to loose a little weight anyway. You can die of dehydration in 72 hours. You will need a reasonable amount of water and a small light system for making potable water out of mud puddles. I carry a liter for each person to get you through the first 24 hours and a straw filter and iodine tabs to get more for the next two days. You can die of hypothermia in 4-6 hours. You should probably have a summer bag and a winter bag to keep from dragging around a parka in the 90 degree heat of summer or sun block lotion in a snow storm. Weapons should be light and descret. You are not going to be able to fight off the Panamanian defense forces out of your back pack. (Lets face it sometimes you are just screwed and there is nothing anybody can do about it.) You can carry a small accurate pistol and a pistol cal. carbine you stand to take small game and fight your way out of most nasty lawless, looting, sociopathic gang sort of situations. Most gangs are simply groups of ner-do-wells will turn tail and run from a determined and armed opponent. Only a trained military unit considers it an acceptable option to take casaulaties to achieve an objective. This is all predicated on order being re-established in 72 hours or there about. If the crisis is local that is probably reasonable. The disaster plans of most government agencies plan to have first aid, rescue operatons and security agencies in place inside that three day time frame. Once again:
1) If the disaster is big enough, multi state, regional or world wide, (consider a flu pandemic or multiple dirty radiation bombs going off) you are in "YO-YO mode" (you on-your own).
2) The disaster happens right under your house. You are in big trouble.
3) The area you live in has a very high level of socialy "dependent" people, that will freak out as soon as the nearest super market or liquor store closes for a day, you are screwed.
Otherwise try to make everything in your bag do double duty. Nothing has only one possible use.
Note paper can be toilet tissue.
Food bars can be barter items.
Signal flares can be fire starters.
One type of ammo will work for all the guns you carry.
Para cord can be rope, a trip line, fishing line, but for now is tied into a rifle sling or a belt to hold up your pants.
Batteries can fit all the electronic devices you cary. Flashlights, red dot sights, GPS, radio, etc.
After doing this, carrying the load, throw away half and start over again. After about ten times I have a 20-25 pound pack that will probably give me a reasonable chance of surviving 72 hours with no outside support.
I can not:
Support ten wounded women and children, perform a heart transplant, grow a balanced diet of organic foods, catch a fish and cook a 50 pound salmon, communicate with "radio free-man" the new anti-government in place, fight off a platoon of Serbian troops with RPG's and close air support that have been sent by the UN to quell civil unrest, or survive a 10 day snow storm when the average temp is 10 degrees below zero. Sorry, sometimes you just die...
Everybodys' situation is different, so everybodys bag should be different. If you are interested in what I packed away I will be glad to put it out there. I am not a special forces snake eater or a H.S.L.D. operator, I am an experienced outdoorsman and hunter with a life long commitment to survival and emergency medicine. A very wise man once told me, "The only thing that we know for sure is that if you do nothing, you are screwed." That is as close to a survival philosophy as I have....
-H-
 
Binoculars lose them
I would lose a good many things on that list before a binocular. Avoiding trouble in a variety of forms a long ways off is just one good reason to have them.
 
I do NOT have a BOB... yet... so all these posts are a great guide for someone new to the idea, but I have a question about something I haven't seen covered yet..


How often do you replace items?

Things like batteries last for years, but medical supplies, whether it be actual medicines, or bandages/gloves, have a shelf life for sure.

How often do you check these things? Anything exposed to the heat in a car trunk has its life shortened considerably. I realized this after opening up the rather comprehensive emergency kit that came in my '01 Audi to find that half of it was no good after 8 years. Only opened it out of curiosity, never put a thought to it before. Hmmm... maybe time to restock...

So, is there a guideline or is it a case by case situation?
 
How often do you replace items?

I keep a complete inventory with my emergency kit that contains: Name of item, number of item, and expiration date. I check the kit every time I open it to add something, look over the expiration dates, and remove anything that's within 3-6 months of its shelf life. The inventory is in pencil, so it's easy to update as new items come in and old ones get used up.

If it's a food item, I consume it, if it's something I can use camping, I'll do that.
 
Depends on why it is being replaced.

Some things should be tossed or used periodically (food, some meds), where with other things I would buy more but not necessarily toss the old.
A prime example of the latter category comes from boats. They are required to carry a few non-expired signal flares (or equivalent), but nobody with any smarts tosses the old ones. After five years of boating they may have a dozen flares, only three of which are current. In an emergency you won't care if they are expired.

Same can be true of bandages and certain meds.

My general thought is to use the bag from time to time. That will use up expendibles and give good practice.
 
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