(NC) Arsenal discovered in city man's house

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Arsenal discovered in city man's house

By Francine Sawyer/Sun Journal Staff


New Bern police checking on a man's welfare found him to be fine -- but found a house full of weapons, according to officers.

The most disturbing discovery in the house, according to police, was a sawed-off shotgun.

Police were quick to point out that the weapons were not connected "whatsoever to any criminal activity."

When neighbors on Newton Drive noticed the front door of Charles Pugh's home ajar, they became concerned for Pugh's welfare and called New Bern police.

Police Chief Frank Palombo said an officer went to Pugh's Newton Drive home around 2 p.m. Thursday, finding the front door ajar.

"The officer knocked on the door. No one answered. The door was open and the officer saw the room to be in disarray. She announced that she was the police. She got no response from anyone in the house. She called for backup, and not knowing if there was a victim or perpetrator in the house, officers made a walk through," he said.

A sawed-off shotgun was in plain view in a back area of the house, according to police. Upon seeing the gun, several officers left for the magistrate's office to secure a search warrant.

Pugh arrived at his home before officer's returned with the search warrant. Police said Pugh gave officers permission to search his home.

Officers put Pugh in the back of a police car parked in front of his house. He watched for the next two hours as police loaded rifles, shotguns, handguns and boxes of ammunition taken from his house into a police van.

Neighbors gathered on the street to watch the event unfold. They said Pugh is a quiet man who keeps to himself.

Pugh's next-door neighbor said no one came or went from the house, and the man lived alone.

Pugh was in the Army 30 years ago and was stationed in Germany, according to an interview he gave to the Sun Journal in connection with a weather story in January.

He gathered each morning at a restaurant on Neuse Boulevard and drank coffee with friends. He was retired from civil service.

Pugh was released from custody late Thursday afternoon. He was not charged with any crime.

Police worked late into the night taking an inventory of the weapons, checking serial numbers and cross checking with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

One officer said that it was not illegal to have any of the weapons except the sawed-off shotgun. "Then you have state and federal laws to deal with," the officer said.

"Mr. Pugh was very cooperative. We released him, and we will continue to investigate. We are keeping the guns and ammunition as a public safety measure for now," the investigator said.

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The most disturbing discovery in the house, according to police, was a sawed-off shotgun.

Police were quick to point out that the weapons were not connected "whatsoever to any criminal activity."

Do they mean to tell us that this evil, deadly "assault weapon" actually didn't jump up out of the corner and turn it's owner into a crazed lunatic that went on a killing spree? See, it ain't the guns afterall.

You're right, he probably will never see any of his guns again.
 
We are keeping the guns and ammunition as a public safety measure for now," the investigator said.

Translation: "Even though Taxpayer Unit #1175912 has not been charged with any crime, we're stealing his legal posessions in direct violation of the Constitution. What are you going to do about it, serfs?"

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Pugh was in the Army 30 years ago and was stationed in Germany, according to an interview he gave to the Sun Journal in connection with a weather story in January.

He gathered each morning at a restaurant on Neuse Boulevard and drank coffee with friends. He was retired from civil service.


Here we have an undoubtedly disgruntled potentially psychopathic ex-military man who might be a German or Russian spy (KGB was good at recruiting 30 years ago). His house has a weapon in plain sight that's evil enough to require a federal tax stamp. And he has friends and drinks coffee.

I can't define "terrorist," but I know one when I read about one. :rolleyes:
 
Officers put Pugh in the back of a police car parked in front of his house. He watched for the next two hours as police loaded rifles, shotguns, handguns and boxes of ammunition taken from his house into a police van. Neighbors gathered on the street to watch the event unfold. They said Pugh is a quiet man who keeps to himself.

Let's see: False Arrest, trespass, theft, defamation, abuse of power....Anything else? :fire:

TC
TFL Survivor
 
he is lucky they didnt bomb him from 30,000 feet. SBS's are considered WMD are they not?
technically they could drop a bunker buster in his den then tear down his mailbox and ride it down main street.
 
Every year that goes by, I think less and less of NC. Sorry guys, but a lot of uncalled for firearm events seem to happen there.


Now in this case: neighbors see front door open and call the cops? Why? I would expect my neighbors to just close the door and go on their way, or just leave it alone!

And: "Police said Pugh gave officers permission to search his home." I know they had a warrant, so why ask? And why give permission?

I don't think he will be seeing his arsenal for quite a while
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You guys amaze me with your logic. Police bad, gun owner good. A little too simplistic in my opinion.

Anyone care to bet he hadn't paid the fed tax on the shotgun? If not, he could get ten years for it. That's why they took the guns. If he had the receipt for the payment he should have showed it to them.

Even if he did pay the fee, I'm angry at the guy for giving gunowners a bad name. Not only were his guns not secured, he left the front door open for anyone to walk in take them. Sure, that's his business, but irresponsible nevertheless.

We try to take care of our neighbors around here. I've seen doors standing open from time to time - sometimes they're home and sometimes not. After sticking my head inside and calling out, I've gone home to get the key to lock up after them. I especially try to keep an eye on the elderly ones. My next door neighbor has found 2 dead in roughly 20 years.

John
 
So, being a gun owner is probable cause for a search warrant now?

No. Having an possibly unregistered SBS in view and seen by a LEO through a window is probable cause for a search warrant. If it was registered, he shows them the Form 4 and they go home.
 
JohnBT

Since no one quoted the barrel length why would we assume the LEO have the slightest idea what the legal length is or is not. Could the gun not be a legal length but still show evidence of being hacksawed. Don't know. They didn't say.

I wouldn't tar and feather this guy so quickly. "Police bad, gun owner good" is just as much a possibility as the reverse.

Funny,this old guy has ONLY ONE clearly illegal gun out of a house full. I find that strange. Seems like false economy to have only one. Why not 50. Why any! Don't you think that someone with that many guns would be aware of the fact that thsi particular one was illegal and put his others and his freedom at risk. And it was in plain sight....and not hidden?????????? I have know the legal length of a SG barrel for 20 years.
MY BS detector is going off big time.

This guy could be in the wrong. Or.....he could be just another victim of that all too common LE mindset that they are a law unto themselves and there is nothing to keep them from arresting you and taking you property.
Oh you might be released and have the charges dropped and even eventually get you property back AFTER you are a guest of the legal system for who knows how long and it costs you who knows how much. Recon this old retired dude has the $$$ to spend a couple of years in court over this? Doubtful.
If they have charged him, and he doesn't fight and win, his gun owning days are over.
Poor old guy is toast either way. I doubt he will get his stuff back.

If you have a fire at your house, or take a spill coming down the attic stairs and assistance is called for,you have to hope and pray the police aren't part of the response. If they see more that Gramps old 12 ga over the fireplace they might just search your house and take everything you have and let you go pay a lawyer to get it back.
And there guys and gals, but for the grace of God, go you and I.

Poor old guy, poor NC citizens.
When did being quiet and keeping to ones' self become a crime?
S-
 
(hkmp5sd) No. Having an possibly unregistered SBS in view and seen by a LEO through a window is probable cause for a search warrant. If it was registered, he shows them the Form 4 and they go home.

"Having possibly unsafe wiring in a house that has lights on at night is probable cause for a search warrant. As soon as it's determined the house is safe, the police go home after confiscating all the wiring."

"Having possibly unregistered vehicles in view and seen by a LEO is probable cause for a search warrant. If the vehicle is registered, the police go home after impounding all vehicles at the scene."

"Having prescription drugs, possibly obtained by false prescriptions, seen by LEOs is probable cause for a search warrant. If the prescriptions are valid, the police go home after confiscating all drugs in the house."

If leaving your door open/unlocked is irresponsible because of potential theft of firearms by criminals, what about all those canadians who leave their doors unlocked, somtimes leaving would-be thieves with easy access to deadly hunks of metal capable of travelling at high speed and killing dozens of people in short periods of time?
 
Okay, we have a retired US Army guy with firearms. After being released, they decide to keep his legally owned firearms and ammunition for the sake of ‘public safety'. No doubt if he wants his legally owned guns back, he'll have to jump through all kinds of crazy hoops.

As for the sawed off, let's put it this way... if you own multiple vehicles, and one is found to not be legally safe for some reason, is it okay for them to take and keep all of your other ‘legally safe' vehicles?

Public safety indeed... :fire:
 
You guys amaze me with your logic. Police bad, gun owner good. A little too simplistic in my opinion.

Anyone care to bet he hadn't paid the fed tax on the shotgun? If not, he could get ten years for it.

Care to tell me how a ten-year jail sentence is a logical punishment for failure to pay a $5 tax?:scrutiny:
 
Most would agree, a SBS is the best HD weapon available. This is a law I cannot see the logic behind. Concealability ? Effectiveness ? It must be the abiblity to conceal, and it's very terminal performance. :rolleyes: But short range limits it's use to only the most CQC. Why do I live in the country? I can leave the door open all day and close the gate at the driveway and people understand. Please, no visitors at this time.
 
I think the logic behind the law was that organized crime syndicates loved the SBS.
 
tyme,

I agree with you. But at the present time, owning an unregistered SBS is illegal and that does provide the police with justification for a warrant. If someone is going to have an illegal firearm in their home, they should at least have enough sense to not leave it in plain view.
 
JohnBT said:
Anyone care to bet he hadn't paid the fed tax on the shotgun? If not, he could get ten years for it. That's why they took the guns. If he had the receipt for the payment he should have showed it to them.
So...you're for gun control? :confused:

MR
 
Why is the mere presence of SBS enough for a warrant, though? The guy could easily have the tax stamp. I think there needs to be a lawsuit, whether or not the guy had paid the tax.
 
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