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Gun raid on wrong house spurs inquiry

By Kayce T. Ataiyero and Mark Shuman
Chicago Tribune
Published March 15, 2007, 10:09 PM CDT

Four days after more than a dozen heavily armed police officers raided her Elgin home, Betty Granger got the news she was waiting for early Thursday: The city would repair the damage—pronto.

The morning after she and her husband, Frank, told the Elgin City Council of the splintered door frames and shattered windows, workers were dispatched to the couple's white bungalow tools in hand.

"I asked the officers why they did this, and they said they got a tip that there were guns in the house," said Betty Granger, 60. "I told them that if they had just asked us, if they had just knocked on the door and asked, I would have let them search the house."

No weapons were found during the Sunday raid at their home in the 400 block of Ann Street, she said. Authorities said they were looking for a suspect who was believed armed.

"It wasn't the Grangers we were looking for. Our suspect had the weapon," said Deputy Police Chief Jeff Swoboda. "The person lived there and we had reliable information he had a gun."

Police declined to name the suspect or say whether he had an arrest record. The Grangers denied Thursday that the suspect, a relative, had a criminal history.

The city has launched an investigation into the raid as well as into Betty Granger's accusations that Elgin police officers discouraged her from filing a complaint.

The Police Department also is investigating the incident, authorities said. At a news conference Thursday, the department's top officials declined to discuss the specifics of the Grangers' case but said they were concerned about what happened during the execution of the search warrant.

After listening Wednesday night to the Grangers' emotional description of the raid, Councilman Thomas Sandor said he believes they are a "credible couple" and that the council was concerned about their allegations.

Sandor said the city manager has been told to look into the case and report back on April 11.

Shortly after 7 a.m., the Grangers said they were jarred from their sleep by what sounded like an explosion as police tossed smoke bombs through the basement windows. Other explosions followed as officers burst through the doors.

Frank Granger said he sprang from his bed, peered out of the window and saw a masked man dressed in fatigues pointing a gun at him.

"I thought someone was breaking into the house to kill us," said Frank Granger, 62.

He ran down the hallway and into the living room, where he said he encountered 15 to 20 armed men. Still not aware they were police officers, Granger said he ran back into the bedroom and shut the door.

Officers kicked it in and leveled guns at him and his wife, he said. For the next two hours, the Grangers, an adult son and three teenage grandsons sat handcuffed while their home was searched, Frank Granger said. The couple said the police found nothing.

The Grangers said the house they lived in for 35 years was left in shambles. A grandson had to nail the back door closed, and until workers arrived, the front door was propped shut with a chair.

Deputy Police Chief Robert Beeter stopped by the house and told the couple he was sorry for what happened, Betty Granger said.

"I'm always sorry when people are frustrated or upset with the Elgin Police Department," Police Chief Lisa Womack said at the news conference.

Swoboda said it would have been normal procedure in such a raid to use as many as 15 officers.

Despite workers bustling around the Grangers' home Thursday, signs of the raid remained. Shattered glass littered the basement window frames. Patches of missing paint encircled the handle of the bedroom door. The carpet was seared with burn marks.

Betty Granger said that although she was shaken by the ordeal, she was reluctant to speak ill of the city. She said she was pleased so far with the response she had received.

"I am not trying to blast the Police Department," she said. "We are trying to get everything fixed."

Frank Granger, a retired Metra conductor, said he was upset earlier in the week but now believes it may have been a good thing that it happened to him and not to an older man.

"Some other poor guy could have had a heart attack and died because my heart about jumped out of my chest," he said. "I got a chance to see what a real criminal feels like."

Mark Shuman is a freelance reporter. Freelance reporter Amanda Marrazzo contributed to this report.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070315gun-raid,1,4096496.story
 
I find the most disturbing part of this article to be where they say, "If they just asked I would have let them search the house." Anywho let the loose the lawyers!
 
Was it the wrong house, or was the suspect simply not there when they raided?

They weren't looking for "guns in the house," they were looking for a man with a gun. The Dep. Police Chief said, "Our suspect had the weapon."

All that risk, effort and destruction to confiscate one firearm from a relative they thought might be visiting.
 
:uhoh: :rolleyes: :eek:


Peoples Republic of Illinois?


Get used to it people it is coming to a state near you soon.
 
So many things....

"I told them that if they had just asked us, if they had just knocked on the door and asked, I would have let them search the house."

Not my house. Not without a search warrant (which I guess they had).:barf:

"I'm always sorry when people are frustrated or upset with the Elgin Police Department," Police Chief Lisa Womack said at the news conference.

Geez, now why would they be "frustrated or upset"? Maybe an unlawful search and seizure? (Even with the warrant I don't think this measures up to what our founding fathers would call a lawful search.)

For the next two hours, the Grangers, an adult son and three teenage grandsons sat handcuffed while their home was searched, Frank Granger said. The couple said the police found nothing.

Sounds like unlawful arrest as well.

"I am not trying to blast the Police Department," she said. "We are trying to get everything fixed."

Read, "I don't want to make them mad while they are still doing stuff for us." I don't blame her.

"I got a chance to see what a real criminal feels like."



:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
Whew!!!

Its a good thing they didn't find a.....uhhhh......



GUN!!!!

Oh my goodness gracious!

The whole family handcuffed and the house tossed, all because somebody,somewhere MIGHT have a...uhhhhh...


GUN!!


You can run along now, and remember, the cops are always right!
 
IBTL...Obviously, this is one bad incident out of 1.35 million officers...not worth mention.

"Let's pretend..."
 
"I got a chance to see what a real criminal feels like."
Unbelievable! So hearsay from a "tip" is probable cause to have a judge sign a no-knock warrant that they bring flashbang devices and 15 tactically armed police to? Not only did this victim get to see what being a criminal feels like, he got to see (IMO) criminals in action... Actually puppets of criminals who violate our constitution in action... Society better start backlashing soon, or this garbage will be never ending.
 
The point is that a dynamic entry was TOTALLY uncalled for in this instance. Had they actually knocked with a warrant, no harm, no foul.

Now the fact that they were searching for guns, is distrubing...
 
Over a single gun

Why would anyone live in a state or city where the police have the freedom to do that. Does the word Gestapo ring a bell?
 
article said:
"It wasn't the Grangers we were looking for. Our suspect had the weapon," said Deputy Police Chief Jeff Swoboda. "The person lived there and we had reliable information he had a gun."

His informant didn't even get the guy's address right and he's still calling the information reliable. Someone might want to send this man a dictionary.
 
...they got a tip that there were guns in the house...
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you... "The War On Guns". Certain jurisdictions only at this time. Might be coming to a home near you.

A Tip??? A TIP?!?!? :scrutiny:

Hmmmm :banghead:
 
"Some other poor guy could have had a heart attack and died because my heart about jumped out of my chest," he said. "I got a chance to see what a real criminal feels like."

It's an experience that every citizen should have at least once in his life, just as every citizen needs to experience a mugging, car jacking, and home invasion. A good rape wouldn't be amiss either.

Those experiences should be the prerequisites for everyone who supports no-knock entries by the police or who thinks it's wrong for people to own firearms or to defend themselves. A family that has experienced a home invasion by law enforcement is entitled to think that they're justified anyway. A woman who has been raped and continues to think that she doesn't need to be able to protect herself with deadly force has my complete respect.
 
"I asked the officers why they did this, and they said they got a tip that there were guns in the house," said Betty Granger, 60. "I told them that if they had just asked us, if they had just knocked on the door and asked, I would have let them search the house."

The entire story is bad news. As pointed out, the cops moved on a "tip" about a guy that wasn't at the house - THE WRONG HOUSE.

Moreover, what if there were guns in the house? What if the homeowner, fearing for their life, opened fire?

I have an uneasy feeling that the "Land of the Free" is fast becoming the "Land of the Enslaved".
 
Yup, you haven't tasted life till you've been taken down, cuffed and had a gun put to your head. :barf: :barf: I can't believe there is even a passive attempt to justify what went on here. Where is the outrage?
 
Stories like this make me grateful that the three times officers have come to my door (once looking for a suspect and twice serving warrants at the wrong address), they knocked and waited for me to open the door.
 
Yup, you haven't tasted life till you've been taken down, cuffed and had a gun put to your head.

The time DEA did it to me all I tasted was asphalt......

Maybe that will be my only experience with that, I could do without another.

Ahh the good old "War on Drugs" or in my case the "War on teenagers with piliot licenses that flew close to the ground so they must be running drugs".
 
If that had been my house (and presumably any of your houses) I would have went downstairs armed while my wife, also armed, hit the back door with the kids.

Not sure we would have made it...

So much for the 4th Amendment.
 
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