(NC) Arsenal discovered in city man's house

[DeltaElite]

Ok Tamara, makes sense now.

When I am doing a check welfare, I am looking for dead people, not contraband.
I know I have "not seen" many things over the years.

 

[Jmurman]

Somehow the short barrelled shotgun managed to contaminate all the rest of the legal guns. How, exactly, does that work?

They will say that he has comitted a firearms felony (not paying tax on the SBS) and therefore now he cannot have any weapons...its how the unconstitutional system works.

 

[Jmurman]

Pugh arrived at his home before officer's returned with the search warrant. Police said Pugh gave officers permission to search his home.

Lesson to all....DO NOT GIVE PERMISSION TO SEARCH WITHOUT A WARRANT OR CONTACTING AN ATTORNEY...........

 

[JohnBT]

mercedesrules - So we are agreed to stop making rude assumptions about each other?

Tamara - He left the front door standing open. I fail to see that he expected any privacy from anyone. Once the police were called they couldn't simply look in the living room and call it a day - suppose the owner had stroked out in one of the back rooms. The next day's headlines would not have been complimentary.

DeltaElite - Very good explanation of the situation. Also...the older I get the more I appreciate the name of a local band - Fighting Gravity.

As far as a catching a break from a police officer - it's nice when it happens, but you can't bank on it happening. Years ago a guy at work was pulled for drunk driving. The officer rolled the window down and let him toss his film tin of pot in the bushes. All in the luck of the draw. I somehow doubt that he would have let him toss a sawed-off(or even an ounce bag) in the bushes. Maybe.

If you don't like the current gun laws, then join, donate, lobby and vote.

John

 

[CZ-75]

Translation: "Even though Taxpayer Unit #1175912 has not been charged with any crime, we're stealing his legal posessions in direct violation of the Constitution. What are you going to do about it, serfs?"

The SBS will be the ticket here. They already know what they want to do - charge him for the SBS. They will confiscate the guns for "safekeeping," then create the charges to make it official and permanent.


As to whether the presence of the SBS is grounds for a warrant, I'd say that the point is moot, since the homeowner acceded to the search before they actually served their warrant.

If someone has made these points already, so much the better, but I haven't read the whole thread yet.


Finished.

Lesson to all....DO NOT GIVE PERMISSION TO SEARCH WITHOUT A WARRANT OR CONTACTING AN ATTORNEY...........

Exactly.

I'd say his grounds for dismissal just went out the window. Too bad you have to be contemplating how to work the system to avoid being run over for some trivial infraction that you may have had no knowledge of (It isn't like there are so few laws that you could memorize them all.).

 

[Sergeant Bob]

He shouldn't have broken the law, should have locked his door, should have paid 5$ for a stamp, the cop was just doing his job.....When it all comes down, when they pass some new law making your guns illegal, most will just hand in their weapons to avoid being on the wrong side of the law.
MOLON LABE! From my cold, dead hands! Blah blah blah blah.... For most, just catchy phrases and neat bumper stickers.

 

[Tamara]

JohnBT,

Tamara - He left the front door standing open. I fail to see that he expected any privacy from anyone.

Could you see the back bedroom from the street without being invited onto the property with the permission of the owner? No? Then he had every friggin' right to the expectation of privacy.

Just because I leave my front door unlocked, open, or off its flippin' hinges doesn't give every h. sap. with a squad car the right to go strolling through my home...

 

[mercedesrules]

He shouldn't have broken the law, should have locked his door, should have paid 5$ for a stamp, the cop was just doing his job.....When it all comes down, when they pass some new law making your guns illegal, most will just hand in their weapons to avoid being on the wrong side of the law.
MOLON LABE! From my cold, dead hands! Blah blah blah blah.... For most, just catchy phrases and neat bumper stickers.

Exactly!

MR

 

[mercedesrules]

JohnBT said:

mercedesrules - So we are agreed to stop making rude assumptions about each other?

Done.

MR

 

[EJ]

By Tamara--

Just because I leave my front door unlocked, open, or off its flippin' hinges doesn't give every h. sap. with a squad car the right to go strolling through my home

I don't like it any more than you -- but unfortunately it does--

It even -- once official attention is called to it-- impart an obligation to the LE agancy to do so-- or face political and or civil problems for failing to "investigate" the complaint--

Anyone in LE enforcement for a period of time has done this -- I doubt anyone liked it-- (It always scared the hell out of me) You find people dead -- sick -- etc-- and that's not where the fear comes from--
Nobody likes wandering artound a house that you don't know and don't know who is within and with what weapons or intentions-- This is done not at the whim of theofficer but at the behest of citizens that called it in--
The LE agency then gets stuck with the problem and responsibility--

 

[Jeff Thomas]

And, Randy Weaver had a SBS, but 1/4 inch, as I recall.

They had a logical reason for investigating. As usual, they decided the gun owner was likely a criminal, and the firearms probable cause for arrest seizure.

The fascists are still here ...

Regards from TX

 

[mercedesrules]

Jeff T. said:

And, Randy Weaver had a SBS, but 1/4 inch, as I recall.

I think that some fedgov drones paid (entrapped) Randy to saw off their gun in order to harass and punish him for attending a few militia meetings. He refused many times, but eventually gave in so they would quit bothering him.
MR