ND at the Columbus Gun Show

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Can't find a link to any new stories on it, but yesterday somebody at the show had an ND. A female was struck in the stomach, taken to the hospital, and is in stable condition, according to one of the local TV channels. She may have been the dealer handling the pistol, the first showing of the report indicated that she was, but the next half-hour did not. Word is that the magazine was dropped, but whoever was handling it didn't check the chamber, and ND'd one 9mm round.
Apparently it happened shortly after I left the show (The closest fire-station is on my way home, and they were sending the doors up as I went by), and I have to say....I'm not surprised. I'm not going to throw out the name of the organization that sponsored the show (mainly because I don't know who they are, PRO doesn't run the show anymore after all the **** with that Mike Duve punk), but they had some MAJOR problems with their security and entry control. There were NO signs directing people to the entrance gun check, and as I was waiting in line, no fewer than three people walked into the building without getting their rifles zip-tied. The officers doing the check did call them back, but how many people walked past without being stopped at all? I did not see anyone checked for a CCW either. There was only ONE person checking tickets once you got past the check, and he was swamped. There was no sign of any security other than around the doors (which honestly doesn't mean they weren't there, but if I didn't spot somebody throwing me the ole hairy eyeball....), and a large percentage of firearms resting on tables were un-tied and unsecured. When I was leaving, carrying two rifles, none of the cops at the door so much as glanced at me. The dealer had affixed a little orange "sold" dot to the side of each, and neither could be seen by anyone while I was carrying them. Nobody checked my receipt, or even looked for the dots, I just walked right on out of the building.
 
No worries, if it was a 9mm. She'll be back at work tomorrow. ;)

I shouldn't make light of it. Every one of these is a tragedy. Really shouldn't be up to security at the gate to insure the safety of all participants. Each one of these incidents is proof that more than one safety rule was breached, usually by someone who knows better.

So what did you carry out of there? I can't usually afford anything I find at the local shows.
 
I see that ND's are becoming more common place at gun shows lately. Perhaps the rules need to be enforced & followed by the people attending. If not, I'm afraid that the sheeple will try to ban all gun shows. :cuss:
 
I guess I was trained on gun safety at too young of an age to understand just how the HELL this keeps happening! Are there really that many stupid people out there handling guns that don't know how to unload them, or verify they're unloaded? It's just unbelievable to me.
 
When I was leaving, carrying two rifles, none of the cops at the door so much as glanced at me. The dealer had affixed a little orange "sold" dot to the side of each, and neither could be seen by anyone while I was carrying them. Nobody checked my receipt, or even looked for the dots, I just walked right on out of the building.
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Which is as it should be, as far as the police are concerned. In the USA, we can walk right past police officers without having to stop and prove that we are legal. That's one of the freedoms that people come to this country for. Don't take that freedom for granted by being disappointed that it wasn't taken from you in this case.
 
Some people would ban living to save people from dying. It's not good for someone to get shot, but we can just keep taking rights from people until we all die from boredom.
 
Tab, I disagree with the policy. Do you think you can instutute enough laws to stop accidents and death?
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of corse not, but I can have policys in my place of biz that will help prevent some of them. I don't know about your place of employment, but at mine( and when I say mine, I mean I am the owner.) safety comes 1st. If you can't work safely, you won't be working for me.

as I said in the othe thread... work in one full time for a couple of years, it will change your mind.
 
I guess I was trained on gun safety at too young of an age to understand just how the HELL this keeps happening! Are there really that many stupid people out there handling guns that don't know how to unload them, or verify they're unloaded? It's just unbelievable to me.
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Oh, they know how to unload them and know how to verify the gun is unloaded.

Ask yourself this. Are there really that many stupid people out there that don't know how to stop at a red light/stop sign, and yet people run them every day and are involved in collisions with others.
 
Most ND's are dealers in any case. Rarely does a customer pass the loaded/unloaded check point. Dealers should have to have their arms checked the same way.

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Are there really that many stupid people out there that don't know how to stop at a red light/stop sign, and yet people run them every day and are involved in collisions with others.
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Clearly we need another law/sign to tell people not to run red lights and stop signs.
 
C&E out of Virginia runs the PRO show now. Don't be too hard on Mike Duve, the story put forward by PRO is obviously not true. Note Mike is still walking around Columbus and everyone knows where he is, still living in his old apartment and no charge have been brought forward by PRO...

As for what happened Saturday, these are the facts:

She was a dealer, the gun in question was a 9mm Hi-point carbine that they purchased from someone walking the show. They bought it and the ND happened while she was putting a gun tie through the triggerguard while is was lying on the table. So obviously the weapon was not properly checked and tied at the door.

She shot herself in the groin, hitting the femoral artery and breaking the pelvic bone. She was in surgery for over 5 1/2 hours. She will survive, but she is apparently a mess.

That is where it stands for the moment, but I do expect lawsuits...
 
sometimes you have to learn the hard way not to point guns at your groin.
 
She was a dealer, the gun in question was a 9mm Hi-point carbine that they purchased from someone walking the show. They bought it and the ND happened while she was putting a gun tie through the triggerguard while is was lying on the table. So obviously the weapon was not properly checked and tied at the door.
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Given that you aren't supposed to pull the trigger when tying off a gun and given that she apparently didn't check the gun, and given her lack of muzzle discipline, I would not be so quick to jump to the conclusion that the gun wasn't properly checked at the door.
 
There is always

a residue of injury.
My sister used to work at Los Alamos, working in the safety analysis dept.
One of the concepts they worked with was "how many eye injuries occur as people are putting on their safety glasses?"
Life always has risks.
That said, hope the victim recovers.
 
Wrong message at the door

Perhaps the wrong message is being sent with the no loaded guns allowed into gunshows signs. Rather than say there are no loaded guns, the message should be all guns are loaded so treat them that way.
 
Glad to hear she's reasonably okay. Hopefully, she'll recover fully.

They did have a door check, obviously that didn't work. But I have to wonder, who buys a firearm without checking the bore? Okay, I realize a Hi-Point carbine isn't exactly a major investment, but I'd at least do a function check before purchasing it, and that would have revealed the loaded magazine.


BTW, I got out the door with a 1948 dated Mosin M44 and one of the Steyr M95s that Reissued Surplus had. Plus some Garand bits, some en-bloc clips, and of COURSE some of that great beef jerky. The Mosin was a steal at $85 for a rare year (albeit refurbed), all matching, and a very good bore. The M95 had a virgin looking bore. The stock, though.....let's just say it had some interesting character. I've got a replacement stock coming, but the old one is staying around as an example of how NOT to repair a wood stock.
 
Or the sign at the door could read, treat all guns as they are loaded.

It gives a false sense of security thinking that guns are unloaded just because it is a gun show.
 
sometimes you have to learn the hard way not to point guns at your groin.
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That's pretty cold, man. Nobody (well, almost nobody - maybe Nancy Pelosi, but not many anothers) actually deserves to get shot like this for a momentary lapse.
 
To all those who are talking muzzle disipline and basic gun safety please take a good look next time you go to a gun show. I'm betting there is no place in the building that is not covered. It may not be in someones hands at the moment but they are usually pointed either inward or outward as they lay on the tables and aimed at someone. Some are in racks pointed up but that is in the minority.
Given the quantity of ammo and number of weapons + the human factor its amazing that there aren't more NDs. Strict enforcement of unloaded weapons entering is the only thing that keeps the numbers down. Exibitors are usually self checked and I have seen a ND from one that was brought in that way.
The whole gunshow culture is dependent upon us to police so always keep your piece unloaded and don't get complacent on either side of the table.
 
I propose we ban ND's! This will solve the problem, and the people will no longer have to live in fear of firearms!
 
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