ND: Officer is wounded in firearms training.

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Summary: Pay attention to what you're doing and know the difference between the orange gun and the real gun.

Link:http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd28jun28,1,3136708,print.story?coll=la-headlines-california

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LAPD instructor shoots colleague during training exercise
He is shot by a veteran LAPD instructor who apparently picked up the wrong gun.
By Richard Winton
Times Staff Writer

June 28, 2007

Los Angeles police are investigating how a veteran department firearms instructor shot and wounded another officer in the left hamstring at a training facility this week when he mistook a loaded handgun for a mock version of the weapon.

The incident occurred about 4 p.m. Monday at the Edward M. Davis Training Facility in Granada Hills as the two instructors, who train new recruits, were transitioning from teaching a class with live firearms to an exercise using mock handguns that look and sound like real weapons but do not discharge bullets.

Parts of the non-firing weapons are marked with orange paint, but the instructor failed to notice he had picked up the wrong handgun, police said.

The bullet struck Officer Peter Lee, 42, a 15-year veteran. The gun was fired accidentally by Hector Villanueva, 35.

"Unfortunately what occurred violated protocols," said Capt. Bill Murphy, head of the Los Angeles Police Department's Training Division. "When an officer picks up the [non-firing] weapons they are supposed to secure their live firearms. But one officer here didn't secure his live firearm and confused it. When he went to test the [mock] weapon he instead fired his real Glock and hit his fellow instructor."

"This is a bad thing," Murphy said, "but it could have been a lot worse."

Sources involved in the investigation said there was no animus between the officers and it seemed to be, as one person said, a "boneheaded" mistake.

LAPD Sgt. Lee Sands said Lee was listed in stable condition at a hospital. Murphy said the injured officer was expected to return to duty.

What disciplinary action Villanueva will face depends on the outcome of an internal investigation.

"The biggest punishment here is the knowledge he shot his fellow instructor," Murphy said.

The incident is being investigated as a serious use of force by a special LAPD division that probes all officer shootings. As a result of the incident, Murphy said, the department has decided to use orange paint not only on the magazine and muzzle tip of non-firing weapons but also on the hand grip to make it clearer to the user.

"This is the first negligent discharge we've had since we opened the training facility eight or nine years ago," Murphy said. "But annually, nationwide, three officers are killed in training."
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What do you guys think will be the outcome for the negligent officer?
 
Nothing will happen other than a note in his file and 2 weeks of paid suspension/leave.

But, there are those who say that I don't need a gun because the police will protect me......

Nothing against the LEOs, but this guy makes you look bad.
 
He has handled these training pistols along with the real deal side by side for a long time. I agree a bonehead mistake. Cant cop bash here because I read on THR many times about shooting a hole trough the deck or ceiling all the time.

Besides the students probably got the best instruction they could. Normally the instructor can only TELL you what NOT to do. They got a first hand view of what not to do.

The biggest punishment here is the knowledge he shot his fellow instructor," Murphy said.

I agree, don't run him through the mill too much, depending on the other officers leg of course.
 
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Another for our cop file when the Brady Bunch starts babbling about how highly trained the police are. Only the police are so highly trained that they know the difference between real firearms and fake firearms.:neener:

No word on whether the cop will be prosecuted for his Criminal Recklessness (negligent? My backside)? Man, if any of my guys did this (well, there would usually be alcohol involved) he would be under the jail and the prosecutor would hold a press conference to talk about how dangerous guns were.

I hope this was on video so we can see what happened on You Tube.
 
Wow. Well, at least he was a poor shot and they correctly called it a negligent discharge.
Now write "No live firearms on premises during force on force training" 1000 times on the chalkboard!
 
"I am the only on professional enough to handle..."

(BOOM!)

Professional hubris through "familiarity breeds contempt".
 
It sounds to me like they have a flawed setup at the range. We had live fire ranges, where we used our real guns. That was the only place that a real loaded gun was allowed. When you left the firing line you unloaded your real gun and locked it up until the next training session.

For simunitions training, we unloaded our real guns and locked them up. An instructor counted the number of guns we locked up to make sure it matched the number of trainees.

Once all real guns were locked up, the simunition guns were unlocked and passed out.

There was no live ammo allowed in the simunition "kill house," or in the cleaning building or in any of the classrooms.

Allowing real guns to be next to training guns seems like an accident waiting to happen. Which it did.
 
Not bashing cops or anyone else. There should be no such thing as any loaded weapon at a training where there is going to be pointing of unloaded weapons.

If every gun is unloaded and verifed as unloaded it is impossible for this to happen.

Any other practice is just wrong. IMHO

tk
 
How in the world can this be true that 3 people die every year on the range??! :what:

The instructor made a mistake, because he got to “confi” with his job.
I had a flight instructor who told me two weeks before he killed himself in a heli crash, that I should be proud to be in “his” school, because he is the best pilot in the valley!
Being confinable in these kinds of jobs kills! I would send the instructor to a different place/job, but remove him from the shooting range!
 
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Looks to me like there are things wrong on several levels. First of all, much like you don't allow live ammo into a gunsmith's work area, you should never have loaded, live guns and simulations in the same area. For that matter, a live gun on a table is not in anyone's immediate control, and therefore shouldn't be allowed, either. If this guy didn't follow the protocol, and can't see whatever paint designation differentiates the two guns, he's in a lose-lose situation to start with.

Even on hot ranges, the rules are simple: no guns out of holsters until you're at the firing line, facing downrange, and under direct command and control of range officers. That goes for instructors, too. Rank, age, experience level, instructor, student -- doesn't matter. The rules are there for everyone to follow uniformly so that no one misunderstands or misinterprets. Otherwise too many things can happen, and almost all of them are bad.

Hope the hamstring owner recovers fully, I'd hate to see his LE career end on partial or full disability because somebody took their eye off the ball.
 
I think someone beat me to it. They need a much better and more formal transition between live fire and exercises with the toys.
 
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