I have found that sub-sonic ammo holds the best accuracy at ranges out to 100 yds, even farther on the right day. I do have good luck with CCI MiniMag HP out to 217 yards (that's as far as my range goes). After testing several sub-sonic & standard rounds, I find that none are accurate at every distance & that weather conditions play a huge part in .22 LR performance. I have also found that sorting .22 ammo by weight & grouping it in lots by.10 grains works well to improve accuracy. i.e. 49.9, 50.0 50.1 in a group, then another group of 49.6, 49.7, 49.8 & s on. I have not realized the same improvement with sorting by rim thickness. Perhaps a true bench rest rifle could see the difference in rim thickness, but my factory Savage bolt guns & Ruger 10-22 do not.
Need 100-yard 22 LR Ammo Suggestion Please
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Tempest 455
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Never said more accurate. Said too much drop. Go load the data in JBP and see how much drop at 330 yards w/ subsonic. I've used what works for us, just saying. I've tried it w/ subsonic at that distance and had better luck w/ the Blazer. Can ring steel almost every shot at that distance on a good day w/ Blazer or Mini Mag.
On the other end of spectrum (50 yards) , Eley Red is hands down most accurate in my rifle. Just posting what I have found to work.
Tempest, I'm sorry. I don't get it. More drop with sub sonic, so you get better results with a less accurate ammunition. Are you holding or dialing for elevation? If you're holding for elevation, I could understand that.
Working around the limitations of the equipment by using faster ammo, while shooting at large targets would work, in that scenario. The less you have to hold, the less chance there is for a mistake.
Working around the limitations of the equipment by using faster ammo, while shooting at large targets would work, in that scenario. The less you have to hold, the less chance there is for a mistake.
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With my scope you cannot dial for that much. Drop is 145" at 330 yards.
Try it and see what works for you. I'm just saying what has worked for us.
Try it and see what works for you. I'm just saying what has worked for us.
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CCI Standard Velocity has been more consistent than anything else, for me.
When a bullet leaves the barrel above the speed of sound, it must stay super sonic until it impacts the target. If it drops below the sound barrier something happens that makes it veer off a bit
So if you start below the sound barrier, nothing to worry about downrange.
When a bullet leaves the barrel above the speed of sound, it must stay super sonic until it impacts the target. If it drops below the sound barrier something happens that makes it veer off a bit
So if you start below the sound barrier, nothing to worry about downrange.Tempest 455
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Here is a guy using Velocitors at 400 yards. I have tried the Stingers and Velocitors both at 330 yards. The Velocitors were pretty good at that distance but more expensive and had about the same results as Blazers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jylb-TpPXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jylb-TpPXY
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I vote for sub-sonic to answer the original question. The precise brand will likely depend on the gun.
"Need 100-yard 22 LR Ammo Suggestion "
"Need 100-yard 22 LR Ammo Suggestion "
You basically have two options as far as accuracy goes. You can either shoot subsonics, or you can shoot ammo that is fast enough to still be supersonic at target. The sonic transition is not your friend in rimfire.
That being said I've shot a few thousand of the Aguila hypervelocity stuff and found it to be inconsistent in production. I've had batches that shot acceptable groups at 100 yards and then others that were all over the place. I separate mine by weigh to .1 grain to tighen up vertical stringing and it makes a significant difference out past 50 yards. Short range the differences are much less.
If you like the Velocitor but can't find it take a look at Aguila Interceptor. 1470 FPS 40 grain solid, this is the best penetrating round I've tested consistently going thru 1 1/2 steel drums. Nothing else I've seen will consistently get out of the first drum let alone in to the second. I've tested several batches and find it acceptable in weight spread suggesting good quality control.
My favorite range fodder is CCI AR Tactical. It's 1200 FPS 40 grain truncated solid feeds very well in semi autos and weighs out as tight as any match ammo I've checked. The last 1500 rounds I bought had over 1000 of them coming in at the median 51.3 grains with the majority of the others coming in at 51.2 and 51.4, with just a few at the extremes of 51.1 and 51.5. I use the extremes for pistols and package the rest for later use. One weight is no more consistent than another, and mixing stuff that is that close would likely not cause a noticable difference in the range you are talking about. Chrono testing shows that even though it is rated at 1200 FPS that out of my 17 inch barrel it is actually just barely subsonic which might be why it is so consistent, so for range trips I would prefer the median and lighter so as not to tip over that fine line.
Just as a side note on the methodology, I tested the "New and Improved" GBs in the 325 box, in a single box they weighed out in 19 piles covering a whole 2 grains top to bottom with nearly 2 inches of vertical stringing at 50 yards. AR Tactical will typically not spread more than 1/2 grain top to bottom. This method allows using "cheaper" ammo (I order the AR 1500 rounds at a time, comes with a dry box for $95), while it is not "match" it is "selected" and I have no problem averaging a 235 of 250 on AQT targets with it and have shot a perfect 250 along with several above 245.
That being said I've shot a few thousand of the Aguila hypervelocity stuff and found it to be inconsistent in production. I've had batches that shot acceptable groups at 100 yards and then others that were all over the place. I separate mine by weigh to .1 grain to tighen up vertical stringing and it makes a significant difference out past 50 yards. Short range the differences are much less.
If you like the Velocitor but can't find it take a look at Aguila Interceptor. 1470 FPS 40 grain solid, this is the best penetrating round I've tested consistently going thru 1 1/2 steel drums. Nothing else I've seen will consistently get out of the first drum let alone in to the second. I've tested several batches and find it acceptable in weight spread suggesting good quality control.
My favorite range fodder is CCI AR Tactical. It's 1200 FPS 40 grain truncated solid feeds very well in semi autos and weighs out as tight as any match ammo I've checked. The last 1500 rounds I bought had over 1000 of them coming in at the median 51.3 grains with the majority of the others coming in at 51.2 and 51.4, with just a few at the extremes of 51.1 and 51.5. I use the extremes for pistols and package the rest for later use. One weight is no more consistent than another, and mixing stuff that is that close would likely not cause a noticable difference in the range you are talking about. Chrono testing shows that even though it is rated at 1200 FPS that out of my 17 inch barrel it is actually just barely subsonic which might be why it is so consistent, so for range trips I would prefer the median and lighter so as not to tip over that fine line.
Just as a side note on the methodology, I tested the "New and Improved" GBs in the 325 box, in a single box they weighed out in 19 piles covering a whole 2 grains top to bottom with nearly 2 inches of vertical stringing at 50 yards. AR Tactical will typically not spread more than 1/2 grain top to bottom. This method allows using "cheaper" ammo (I order the AR 1500 rounds at a time, comes with a dry box for $95), while it is not "match" it is "selected" and I have no problem averaging a 235 of 250 on AQT targets with it and have shot a perfect 250 along with several above 245.
If you put a hoop on that 300 yard target you can shoot baskets with that .22. =o)
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For the H&R M12 and M52D Olympic rear and Gehman front.
Anschutz target I used a 16 X Redfield 3200 scope.
Most folks are using 20X scopes, a few 24 X. The 16X works very well, I can see all the rings at 100 yards, I see a lot of mirage and wind, but it gets difficult to determine what is going on in a cluster or if a sighter shot has hit a number in the sighting bull. I wish they would take those numbers off the sighting bull. For that situation I use my spotting scope to see what is going on. Sometimes I cannot tell with the big scope.
Tempest 455
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The velocity and energy is a lot more than you expect at that distance. A 40g .22 at 1400 FPS (like a Velocitor) at 300 yards is still traveling roughly 830 FPS and has 61 ft/lbs energy. I would not want to catch one! We shoot steel at 330Y and it rings pretty good.
Using a initial angle of 30 deg, total bullet travel would be roughly 1,700 yards coming down at 65 deg angle. At that distance you could shoot baskets!
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