Deltaboy1984
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Marlin 60 with Simmons 44 mag scope and your set.
Need .22 rifle + scope advice please
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danez71
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I think you meant a Simmons 22 Mag scope.
OP, get what ever 22 rifle you want and stick a $40-$60 scope on it such as a Simmons 22 Mag scope (avail as a fixed 4x or a 3-9x and adjustable parallax is avail on some models) and you're good to go.
Ive killed 100's of rabbits using a lesser scope on a 10/22 at those distances.
Someone asked about the accuracy limits of the cartridges:
22lr from a 40X modified bench gun on the bench at 50 shooting Eley Match:
22lr from a Savage MKII at 50, after I recrowned it, was around 0.35" for the best 5-shot groups using Eley Target.
17hmr from a factory Savage 93R17 with a bipod at 100 shooting CCI 17gr V-Max:
22lr from a 40X modified bench gun on the bench at 50 shooting Eley Match:
22lr from a Savage MKII at 50, after I recrowned it, was around 0.35" for the best 5-shot groups using Eley Target.
17hmr from a factory Savage 93R17 with a bipod at 100 shooting CCI 17gr V-Max:
A Ruger 1022 with the right sights and also scope capable, like this...
http://www.trueshottechnologies.com/
http://www.trueshottechnologies.com/
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bradleyheathhays
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After researching every suggestion that's been given to me here and other places on the web first of all I can't say thanks enough, and secondly, I've decided to go with the Savage Mark II FV-SR paired with a suppressor. So far scope of choice is the Simmons .22mag 3-9x32 w AO.
So yes, now on to the suppressor. Suggestions so far have been for the Silencerco 22Sparrow that I believe I've seen for around $200, and the AAC Pilot and Pilot 2 I've seen for $300-$340. Goal is to fire as large a slug as possible (greatest momentum) out the end of a suppressed FV-SR, and the loudest noise is the action of the gun itself. So for sure I'm looking at sub-sonic. But with that in mind, can anyone give me opinions on these suppressors or possibly others in this same price range that can get this done? A secondary goal might be the ability for the suppressor to be adapted to a different caliber weapon, although being new to suppressors I'm not sure how that might work.
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So yes, now on to the suppressor. Suggestions so far have been for the Silencerco 22Sparrow that I believe I've seen for around $200, and the AAC Pilot and Pilot 2 I've seen for $300-$340. Goal is to fire as large a slug as possible (greatest momentum) out the end of a suppressed FV-SR, and the loudest noise is the action of the gun itself. So for sure I'm looking at sub-sonic. But with that in mind, can anyone give me opinions on these suppressors or possibly others in this same price range that can get this done? A secondary goal might be the ability for the suppressor to be adapted to a different caliber weapon, although being new to suppressors I'm not sure how that might work.
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danez71
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That sounds like a good choice. You'll get 500 different opinions so I wouldn't 2nd guess it much at all.
Post your silencer question in the NFA Firearms and Accessories section down below.
http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=58
Let us know how it works out but don't wait until you get the silence.
Welcome back... I hope you stay!
Post your silencer question in the NFA Firearms and Accessories section down below.
http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=58
Let us know how it works out but don't wait until you get the silence.
Welcome back... I hope you stay!
Everyone seems to be forgetting the sound requirement in the OP's first post. I shoot nothing but sub sonic out of an old (1930's vintage) Mauser single shot 22. While I shoot them with no ears on (yea I know, ears are shot from spending my youth around race cars) they are not harsh but they are not quiet and even if your neighbors are over 200 yards away they are going to hear it....I know my neighbors have come over while I have been shooting....and I live on 13ac, with a 100yard range built into the side of a pond. You are going to hear it.
My suggestion is sound is something you are going to have to keep at the top of your mind look at one of the gamo whisper air rifles. These are real rifles not toys, can give you the accuracy you are looking for (I would say an old silver dollar and not a quarter) and still have the take down power for a tree rat or rabbit. Try different pellets, they are a little like 22 ammo, some guns really hate some pellets and other guns love that same pellet. I would suggest a 22 air rifle, you will loose a little velocity, but it will have a little more knock down power over a 177, but a 177 will kill...it is a hot topic on any air rifle board...try the yellow pages (its a web site).
If sound is your main issue and you don't want to go suppressed I think this is going to be the best way to go for you.
Air rifles are also great fun and great practice. Barrel brakes, require a little different kind of hold, and special scopes, but you can back the cars out of the garage and practice in there into a trap, or bunch of old phone books. It is a great way to keep sharp over the winter months if it is cold where you live. Cheap to shoot, fun, I am really an air rifle convert.
I have a bad arm so barrel brakes are hard for me to do, so I have a QB78, a Chinese copy of an older CO2 Crossman rifle, around 450fps air rifle....I have never shot anything other then targets with it so not sure how it is on game. But it is a very high quality air rifle for not a lot of money.....very well finished, mine has a stock that is just fantastic looking. At 25 yards I can put 5 rounds into the size of a quarter from a rest, shoot cherries off of trees with such ease it is not even a challenge.
Give one of them a try, at under $100 they are a great bargin....archers airguns is the site....and with any air rifle they can ship to your door as long as you are over 21..you will have to sign for it.
My suggestion is sound is something you are going to have to keep at the top of your mind look at one of the gamo whisper air rifles. These are real rifles not toys, can give you the accuracy you are looking for (I would say an old silver dollar and not a quarter) and still have the take down power for a tree rat or rabbit. Try different pellets, they are a little like 22 ammo, some guns really hate some pellets and other guns love that same pellet. I would suggest a 22 air rifle, you will loose a little velocity, but it will have a little more knock down power over a 177, but a 177 will kill...it is a hot topic on any air rifle board...try the yellow pages (its a web site).
If sound is your main issue and you don't want to go suppressed I think this is going to be the best way to go for you.
Air rifles are also great fun and great practice. Barrel brakes, require a little different kind of hold, and special scopes, but you can back the cars out of the garage and practice in there into a trap, or bunch of old phone books. It is a great way to keep sharp over the winter months if it is cold where you live. Cheap to shoot, fun, I am really an air rifle convert.
I have a bad arm so barrel brakes are hard for me to do, so I have a QB78, a Chinese copy of an older CO2 Crossman rifle, around 450fps air rifle....I have never shot anything other then targets with it so not sure how it is on game. But it is a very high quality air rifle for not a lot of money.....very well finished, mine has a stock that is just fantastic looking. At 25 yards I can put 5 rounds into the size of a quarter from a rest, shoot cherries off of trees with such ease it is not even a challenge.
Give one of them a try, at under $100 they are a great bargin....archers airguns is the site....and with any air rifle they can ship to your door as long as you are over 21..you will have to sign for it.
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FredHunter
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Well I too needed help with scope, rings, and bases for my Ruger 10/22. Based on what I read I just purchased the Simmons 511072 3-9x32mm 22 Mag Series Riflescope and Leapers Accushot Premium Airgun/.22 Full Length Integral Medium - RGPM2PA-25M4. Do you think this was a good choice?
Thanks,
FredHunter
Thanks,
FredHunter
RetiredUSNChief
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Have you used it yet? Does it sight easily and well for you? Do you hit what you're aiming at reliably?
If so, then it was a good choice!
Just something to keep in mind about suppressors.
You read a lot on-line where someone tested a suppressor using some type of lab grade equipment and they publish numbers as to how quiet they are. Brand X is quieter than Brand Y by so many dbs........................
I have found, in the real world that it is very hard, if not impossible to tell the difference in sound using your ears. Most .22lr suppressors being sold today will IMO sound basically the same.
What you need to look for in a .22LR suppressor is how easy it is to get apart for cleaning. Shooting .22LR through a suppressor is VERY dirty. As you shoot, lead mists inside the suppressor and basically solders the thing together. Getting it apart is not easy and when you do get it apart it is a royal mess.
I would have a look at these suppressors: http://www.tacticalinc.com/22lr-models-c-21_24.html
I own a couple of them and I have been very satisfied with them. I own some more expensive, more hyped suppressors but I can't hear the difference.
Something else that I know nothing about, but looks interesting to me is this one: http://www.tacticalsol.com/tshome/category/suppressors
One final thought: I would stay away from anything rated for full auto fire unless you are actually going to use it on a full auto gun. I made this mistake. I figured the thing would be built like a tank and last forever. And it probably is and would. However it is much heavier and bulkier than it needs to be for my use. Lightweight is a very positive thing IMO. Hanging something heavy off the end of your barrel ruins the whole balance of the gun.
That TAC65 can is very lightweight and pretty small. Works great and is very inexpensive.
You read a lot on-line where someone tested a suppressor using some type of lab grade equipment and they publish numbers as to how quiet they are. Brand X is quieter than Brand Y by so many dbs........................
I have found, in the real world that it is very hard, if not impossible to tell the difference in sound using your ears. Most .22lr suppressors being sold today will IMO sound basically the same.
What you need to look for in a .22LR suppressor is how easy it is to get apart for cleaning. Shooting .22LR through a suppressor is VERY dirty. As you shoot, lead mists inside the suppressor and basically solders the thing together. Getting it apart is not easy and when you do get it apart it is a royal mess.
I would have a look at these suppressors: http://www.tacticalinc.com/22lr-models-c-21_24.html
I own a couple of them and I have been very satisfied with them. I own some more expensive, more hyped suppressors but I can't hear the difference.
Something else that I know nothing about, but looks interesting to me is this one: http://www.tacticalsol.com/tshome/category/suppressors
One final thought: I would stay away from anything rated for full auto fire unless you are actually going to use it on a full auto gun. I made this mistake. I figured the thing would be built like a tank and last forever. And it probably is and would. However it is much heavier and bulkier than it needs to be for my use. Lightweight is a very positive thing IMO. Hanging something heavy off the end of your barrel ruins the whole balance of the gun.
That TAC65 can is very lightweight and pretty small. Works great and is very inexpensive.
CraigC
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Maybe I need to take a remedial math course but that doesn't add up.
KIDD barreled action - $470
KIDD bolt - $100
KIDD 2-stage trigger - $289
Threaded muzzle with cap - $50
Leupold VXII 4-12x from Midway - $450
Stock - $350-$500
All adds up to no more than $1859 and if I spent that much, I'd be pissed that my rifle only shot a half inch at 50yds. A stock carbine with a free floated Green Mountain barrel and $40 VQ hammer should do a half inch. I've got about $900 in my last 10/22 build and it shoots 0.30" at 50yds.
You also do not need to spend that much to shoot MOA at 100yds. However.....
Congratulations because MOA at 200-300yds is unheard of. There are folks who shoot competition at those ranges who'd love to know they could shoot twice as good with a $300 rifle. Sorry but this is not a realistic claim.
I disagree with this. Every cheap scope I had give up the ghost did so on a rimfire. Our .22's are the rifles we shoot the most and they deserve good glass. Cheapest I'll go are the rimfire models from Weaver and Nikon. Leupold is preferred. Parallax can also be a real issue with big centerfire variables at shorter ranges.
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I am in love with my Ruger 10-22...It is deadly accurate and fun to shoot with a Bushnell scope. Of course it is a semi-auto, but rarely jams. Simply a sweet gun for the money. This review mentions nice Bushnell and Barska scopes for under $100. Best 3 Deer Rifle Scopes for the Cheap Hunter...all under $100!!TexasPatriot.308
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check into a .17hmr....I got .22s, 22 mags and 1 .17hmr and in my opinion for my varmint purposes, outdoes the .22s.
Unless you want to build a really nice rifle you're better off with a Marlin 60 than a Ruger 10/22. They're more accurate and very durable. I have one with 150,000 rounds through it and it's still going strong. I've dispatched many varmints with it too.
But for accuracy you're likely going to be better off with a bolt action rifle. What you should get depends on your budget. If you want a really good and cheap rifle I'd suggest either a Marlin XT (pick which model you like but the tube fed model works with shorts, longs and LR's - the shorts can give you the quiet operation you want - I'd probably pick this rifle for that reason) or a Ruger American which has about the same features as the Marlin XT's except they won't use shorts. The Marlin is considerably cheaper too.
If you want to spend a little more get a Savage MkII. They are super accurate. If you want real quality get a CZ. I have the 453 because it has a much better trigger. They aren't a lot more than the Savage but the build quality is higher and the accuracy is about equal.
A scope for what you need doesn't to be expensive. i'd suggest either a Weaver fixed power scope (like a 4X) or a Nikon ProStaff. They aren't entry level scopes but they won't break the bank. The ProStaff runs less than $200. The thing about scopes is they will be good for a long time if they're good when they start or that's usually the case.
But for accuracy you're likely going to be better off with a bolt action rifle. What you should get depends on your budget. If you want a really good and cheap rifle I'd suggest either a Marlin XT (pick which model you like but the tube fed model works with shorts, longs and LR's - the shorts can give you the quiet operation you want - I'd probably pick this rifle for that reason) or a Ruger American which has about the same features as the Marlin XT's except they won't use shorts. The Marlin is considerably cheaper too.
If you want to spend a little more get a Savage MkII. They are super accurate. If you want real quality get a CZ. I have the 453 because it has a much better trigger. They aren't a lot more than the Savage but the build quality is higher and the accuracy is about equal.
A scope for what you need doesn't to be expensive. i'd suggest either a Weaver fixed power scope (like a 4X) or a Nikon ProStaff. They aren't entry level scopes but they won't break the bank. The ProStaff runs less than $200. The thing about scopes is they will be good for a long time if they're good when they start or that's usually the case.
Agree. A Marlin 60 is a very accurate rifle and a Ruger 10/22 is far from.
Reading the original post I would recommend a bolt action 22, a 4x scope, and 22 CB long ammo given the noise issue. CZ 452 bolt actions are great rifles; there's many types of 452s and they are all tack drivers. Also, you would have to sight your scope in at the distance you expect to shoot. The trajectory of a 22 CB long isn't that flat and you'd need to hit the rabbit or squirrel in the head or eye to kill it.
If noise was not an issue I'd go for a CZ 452/455 in 22 WMR or 17 HMR.
Reading the original post I would recommend a bolt action 22, a 4x scope, and 22 CB long ammo given the noise issue. CZ 452 bolt actions are great rifles; there's many types of 452s and they are all tack drivers. Also, you would have to sight your scope in at the distance you expect to shoot. The trajectory of a 22 CB long isn't that flat and you'd need to hit the rabbit or squirrel in the head or eye to kill it.
If noise was not an issue I'd go for a CZ 452/455 in 22 WMR or 17 HMR.
oneounceload
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I'll second that. When I had my Marlin 39A and using standard velocity or subsonic, it was very quiet and the ability to shoot shorts or longs was an added bonus. Mine wore a fixed 4X regular rifle scope, not some $20 cheap .22 scope
ArchAngelCD
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If you're not rich (and I'm not) I would suggest a Savage Mark II rifle w/AccuTrigger.
http://savagearms.com/firearms/allfirearms/
As for a good scope, I like the Nikon ProStaff 3-9X40 rimfire scope w/BDC 150 reticle.
http://swfa.com/Nikon-3-9x40-ProStaff-Rimfire-Scope-P48766.aspx
If you have more money than I, Volquartsen Custom makes some of the most accurate rimfire rifles on the planet. You can buy a complete rifle or parts to upgrade a rifle you already have or want to build.
https://www.volquartsen.com/tags/8-volquartsen-rimfire-rifles,15-complete-firearms,16-22-lr
Mine you, a complete rifle will run you between $1,500 to over $2,000!
If I had the money I would buy a complete Volquartsen Custom rifle but since I can't I bought a very good Savage rifle and mounted a Nikon scope on top...
http://savagearms.com/firearms/allfirearms/
As for a good scope, I like the Nikon ProStaff 3-9X40 rimfire scope w/BDC 150 reticle.
http://swfa.com/Nikon-3-9x40-ProStaff-Rimfire-Scope-P48766.aspx
If you have more money than I, Volquartsen Custom makes some of the most accurate rimfire rifles on the planet. You can buy a complete rifle or parts to upgrade a rifle you already have or want to build.
https://www.volquartsen.com/tags/8-volquartsen-rimfire-rifles,15-complete-firearms,16-22-lr
Mine you, a complete rifle will run you between $1,500 to over $2,000!
If I had the money I would buy a complete Volquartsen Custom rifle but since I can't I bought a very good Savage rifle and mounted a Nikon scope on top...
22-rimfire
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I like the suppressor idea for careful shooting in a neighborhood. No use getting the neighbors worked up with the noise of a shot.
Nighteyes
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First, my apology for only having read the first page of the thread before responding.
Second, I'm going way out on a limb here because I'm going to recommend a rifle-scope combination that is a bit out of the main stream. It is extremely cost-effective. Too, it is unbelievably accurate PARTICULARLY because of its low cost.
For reasons that aren't germaine to the present topic I had an ever-increasing "squirrel-menace" in my suburban SoCal backyard. To be quite clear, I already had an excellent .22LR long-range rifle -- an older CZ 452 Varmint wearing an excellent piece of glass -- but I wanted something I could specifically set up for close-range use. I also wanted a rig that wouldn't rip my wallet outa my hip pocket, or cause me to wince if I should happen to knock it against something.
Fast-forward through a lot of research and looking.
I bought a Mossberg 802 Plinkster (mine has the black plastic thumb-hole stock). I installed a used Bushnell Banner Dusk-and-Dawn 4-12x40 AO scope because of my previous and entirely positive experience with it. Total investment at this point was well under $175.
Once I got it zeroed, the combination regularly produced one ragged hole at 30 yards. Yes, that's right. ONE... RAGGED... HOLE.
Now, when I decide to enforce my backyard boundary (approx. 40 yards from the back wall of my house), no squirrel who encroaches will survive to tell the tale. They're quick learners, too...
Now, in the interest of full disclosure, the Mossberg 802 is very much like the M-1 carbine -- there are those who swear-by it, and there are those who swear-at it. Obviously I'm a "swear-by."
Regards,
-- Nighteyes
Second, I'm going way out on a limb here because I'm going to recommend a rifle-scope combination that is a bit out of the main stream. It is extremely cost-effective. Too, it is unbelievably accurate PARTICULARLY because of its low cost.
For reasons that aren't germaine to the present topic I had an ever-increasing "squirrel-menace" in my suburban SoCal backyard. To be quite clear, I already had an excellent .22LR long-range rifle -- an older CZ 452 Varmint wearing an excellent piece of glass -- but I wanted something I could specifically set up for close-range use. I also wanted a rig that wouldn't rip my wallet outa my hip pocket, or cause me to wince if I should happen to knock it against something.
Fast-forward through a lot of research and looking.
I bought a Mossberg 802 Plinkster (mine has the black plastic thumb-hole stock). I installed a used Bushnell Banner Dusk-and-Dawn 4-12x40 AO scope because of my previous and entirely positive experience with it. Total investment at this point was well under $175.
Once I got it zeroed, the combination regularly produced one ragged hole at 30 yards. Yes, that's right. ONE... RAGGED... HOLE.
Now, when I decide to enforce my backyard boundary (approx. 40 yards from the back wall of my house), no squirrel who encroaches will survive to tell the tale. They're quick learners, too...
Now, in the interest of full disclosure, the Mossberg 802 is very much like the M-1 carbine -- there are those who swear-by it, and there are those who swear-at it. Obviously I'm a "swear-by."
Regards,
-- Nighteyes
teetertotter
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Bradley.......Congrats on your selection for some plinking, shall we say. Have you had time to test out the accuracy with the right ammo?
d2wing
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If you really want 100 yard accuracy you invest in a CZ 452 American or varmit 17 HMR. Top rated in a shoot out with the top bolt action sporters ranking right with the Anschutz beating some. Marlin and Savage were tied much further down the list. Also at the top with smallest group overall was a Remington 547. If you want to stick with .22lr. Under $500-600, your best bet is to find a nice Remington 540 or 540xr. For a little more a Kimber 82G, for a lot more a Winchester 52, Remington 40x, Or Anshutz match rifle. Otherwise any CZ. Some Savages and Marlins shoot really but not always. I have a custom Ruger that shoots well but not at the level of the CZ's and well below my 540xr. My Marlin is down a long ways from them.
For a scope Natchez still has a few Nitrex 3-9s way cheaper than any similair quality scope. A good buy is a Weaver 44/40 in cheaper scopes and the Mueller scopes at well liked.
For a scope Natchez still has a few Nitrex 3-9s way cheaper than any similair quality scope. A good buy is a Weaver 44/40 in cheaper scopes and the Mueller scopes at well liked.
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teetertotter
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d2wing.......He wasn't looking for a target rifle and his revised accuracy he wanted was at 50 yards. Maybe go back to see his requirements?
Nighteyes
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d2wing, carefully review the OP's mission. As a Cz 452 owner, I know that it represents significant overkill at the OP's stated ranges, and a significant over-investment for the same reason.
teetertotter, good call!
teetertotter, good call!
If a bolt action suffices.
Then it's no rapidifire issue, by definition. That being the case, the "hassle" of working the autoloader's bolt by hand ( to cycle CCI "long" .22 CB's is no issue. I'd much rather have to do that than give up my repeat hit speed with lr's, (by using a bolt action).
Then it's no rapidifire issue, by definition. That being the case, the "hassle" of working the autoloader's bolt by hand ( to cycle CCI "long" .22 CB's is no issue. I'd much rather have to do that than give up my repeat hit speed with lr's, (by using a bolt action).
FWIW Savage tested my MkIIBTV. It grouped .7" at 100 yards. It actually looks like 1.1" to me as measured by OnTarget. I don't know how they got .7" but the letter they sent me said it was a .7" group. Go figure. 1.1" is still pretty accurate. I've actually shot better than 1" groups at 100 yards with that rifle. BTW you may notice below that the rifle was a MkIIF at the time. I put a Boyd's stock on it which was the same one Savage uses to make the rifle a MkIIBTV.
My CZ is almost as accurate BTW.
My CZ is almost as accurate BTW.
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