Tinybob
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I'm taking on a project to load some hunting ammo for 30-06 automatic rifle. I'm using once fired commercial brass, Hornady SST 165gr, varget powder and Winchester LR primers.
Need a starting point 30-06
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Orcon
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Provided you aren't talking about a Garand rifle... I'd start at about 47 grains and work up to about 52 grains. COAL a bit under magazine length. The SST shoots quite well in my 308 at about 2640 fps and the terminal effects have been most agreeable.
Hornady lists charges starting at 42.2gr @ 2400 fps and ending at 51.7 gr @ 2800 fps.
Hornady lists charges starting at 42.2gr @ 2400 fps and ending at 51.7 gr @ 2800 fps.
au_prospector
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You mean for something like a Remington 750 Woodsmaster?
Im looking at the Hornady manual as I type and it matches what LoonWulf is stating. I dont see what Orcon is looking at, the manual redlines with Varget and a 165 grain SST at 49.4 grains 2800 fps for 30-06 data. He mentions .308 and that data redlines at 44 grains Varget with 165 gr SST.
You might put eyes on the published data yourself for self satisfaction and sanity.
Im looking at the Hornady manual as I type and it matches what LoonWulf is stating. I dont see what Orcon is looking at, the manual redlines with Varget and a 165 grain SST at 49.4 grains 2800 fps for 30-06 data. He mentions .308 and that data redlines at 44 grains Varget with 165 gr SST.
You might put eyes on the published data yourself for self satisfaction and sanity.
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Tinybob
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Don't laugh but I think it's a Woodmaster 742. Thanks for the help!
au_prospector
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You are right, Orcon. I am looking at Hornady #9. Looks like they boosted the range in your #10. Interesting.
Cannibul
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Posts like this really make me wonder if the new generation of reloaders feel loading manuals are optional.
Yuh, duh we harblez dez nterwebs pffft!
Also nterwebs has pressure tested data by nosler, hodgdon, and other im sure, available.
Nothing wrong with asking either, theres times when i want other peoples opinion on stuff too. Like the max charge of rl15 for the .458socom on noslers site.
And thanks Orcon, yeah ive got 9 as well. Gonna save that page as im using 165s in my 06.
Also nterwebs has pressure tested data by nosler, hodgdon, and other im sure, available.
Nothing wrong with asking either, theres times when i want other peoples opinion on stuff too. Like the max charge of rl15 for the .458socom on noslers site.
And thanks Orcon, yeah ive got 9 as well. Gonna save that page as im using 165s in my 06.
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Tinybob
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View attachment 230409 I do have a couple manuals, but like to ask for the wisdom of others. It gives me another point of view sometimes.
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Tinybob
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On a different note, I have some lake city match brass I'd like to stuff with a heavy bullet for shooting about 500 yards.
R.Ph. 380
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Check your case capacity for that LC brass, then start commensurately lower with your loading.
entropy
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Try 43 gr. IMR 3031 with a 165 Partition. I developed this load for my 742 back in '93, It was cloverleaf accurate at 100 yds. I took 3 deer and a coyote with that load, 2 of the deer and the coyote were DRT, the third deer went 75 yards-he had just been chased through a swamp by another hunter.
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Tinybob
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I charge powder by weight. When checking case capacity with water, I just fill a case then weigh the water it will hold? Then compare a commercial case to the LC case, right?
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In fairness - after reloading for over 25yrs myself and having somewhere over 2dozen manuals, my first stop for data when I want to look something up is the internet. My manuals are on a shelf beside my home office desk, I don't even have to stand up to reach my Berger, Nosler, or Hornady books (the others are a bit of a reach past those), but it's just as fast for me to click the bookmarks on my computer to open Hodgdon, Alliant, nosler, etc, then the bookmarks to handloads.com and loaddata.com, etc.
Plus - I can access those all when I'm not even at home. Carrying around 150lbs of manuals is a challenge, but I can get a ton of good manual data from my pocket manual - er, iPhone.
Asking online is usually also worthwhile, as you can find known, proven, good accuracy loads which might be buried among a dozen other powders and hidden within a span of a few grains. Building from prior knowledge is often called, "standing on the shoulders of giants," meaning it's much easier to reach heights even if you're not tall yourself if you get a boost from someone who is. Nobody should take Internet data without confirming in a proven manual OR working up the loads themselves, but if you have a starting point, you're better off than not.
It's 2017, data is invisible now, and free, and instead of getting loading data from Uncle Bob, guys have access to thousands of other experienced reloaders. We'd be foolish not to take advantage.
thump_rrr
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My pet Garand load is 46.5 gr of IMR 4064 in Winchester brass with a CCI #34 primer topped with a 168 gr SMK.
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